lol you Xbox fan boys have yet to answer to my argument because you can't. Show me proof of his statements show me a presentation show me something. You can't now shut up while I go play GTA IV in 720p as stated by rock star...life is good.

Nolan16

The only "proof" you seem to have is a PR guy from Rockstar saying in a Magazine, Long BEFORE the game ever released that the game was 720p. And it DOES output at 720p. Just NOT Natively. So he's not completely Lying when he said that.

These guys over at Beyond3D have does this HUNDREDS OF TIMES. ( Most people don't realize this )

Most people just know about Halo 3 ( 640p ) and COD 4 ( 600p ).

So ask yourself. Were they wrong about those games? No, ofcourse not. And they aren't Wrong about the PS3 version of GTA IV either.

THEY ARE NOT GUESSING

[QUOTE="UpSwing"]

Quaz51 is absoluteyl right about the PS3 versions Native resolution - It's 640p. This is FACT.

He has done this HUNDREDS OF TIMES. The truth is that there are LOTS of Games out there that are advertised as 720p...or 1080p.... but many aren't.

If you are Confusing a Developer ( or more likely a PR guy who works for a Dev ) with JESUS, in that you believe they would never tell a lie; then you're REALLY naive.

nc_soldier

Well he doesnt have the ps3 version, he wast just looking at a pic which some dude sent him....but ofc that doesnt mean he's wrong, but it is far from fact...

Yes, it's true that the guys over at BeyondD WORK TOGETHER. And if you think they simply glance at a picture then you couldn't be more wrong. They can tell if there is any AA or not, infact they can even fgure out WHAT KIND of AA is being used..

they have been doing this a LONG TIME. Incase you missed it, here is the list of games they have Tested and discovered their TRUE resolutions....

Playstation 3

Army of Two = 1280x720 (no AA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (QAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (no AA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2x AA)
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720 (no AA) or 960x1080
Dark Sector = 1152x640 (no AA)
Def Jam Icon (screenshot) = 1152x648 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA, temporal)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (no AA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)
GT5 Prologue (demo) = 1280x1080 (2x AA) - garage/pit/showroom is 1920x1080 with no AA or 1280x720 with 4xAA
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585 (no AA)
Heavenly Sword = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Jericho (demo) = 996x560 (2x AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (QAA)
Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (temporal 2xAA)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
MLB08: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA, The rendering window is adjustable down to 576p without upscaling to 720p i.e. the frame has black borders)
MX vs ATV (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
NBA07 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA08 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (no AA, poor framerate)
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma = 1280x720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p)
Pirates des Caraibes (screenshot) = 768x1080 (no AA)
960x720 en mode 720p
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (QAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (no AA)
The Darkness (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Transformers (screenshot) = 960x1080 (no AA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Viking: Battle for Asgard = 960x720 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to a 1920x720 framebuffer, which is then downscaled to 1280x720
Virtua Fighter 5 (screenshot) = 1024x1024 (no AA)
1024x768 en mode 1080p
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720 ? (2x AA)
les edges ont l'aparence du 1280x720 mais d'apres certain artefact il semble que ce soit le resultat de la fusion de 2 buffers MSAA 640x720
translation StefanS: "The edges give the impression of being 1280x720p, but because of a certain artefact it seems as if it's the result of the fusion of 2 MSAA buffers of resolution 640x720"
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)

PSN GAMES

Blast Factor = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Calling All Cars (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Echochrome = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Go Puzzle = 1920x1080
GTHD = 1440x1080 (no AA)
Selection des vehicules en 1920x1080
Locoroco Cocoreccho = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
Mainichi Issyo = 1440x1080 (4xAA)
Pixel Junk Monsters = 1920x1080
Pixel Junk Racers = 1920x1080
Rocketmen = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Rub'a'dub = 1600x1080 (no AA)
Snakeball = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Stardust HD = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Sudoku = 1920x1080
Super Rub-a-Dub = 1600x1080
Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)

Xbox 360

Army of Two = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Bioshock = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) = 1040x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Conflict: Denied Ops (demo) = 1280x720p (2xAA)
Dark Sector = 1280x720 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Fifa 2006 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Fifa 2007 (demo) = 1200x675 (no AA)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Halo 3 = 1152x640 (no AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (up to 4x MSAA dependent on framerate)
Mass Effect = 1280x720 (2xAA sometimes)
MotoGP 2006(screenshot) = 1280x1024 (framebuffer grab from AVS Forum member)
MX vs ATV = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (demo) = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
NCAA Football 08 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (4xAA, 60fps)
Oblivion (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Perfect Dark Zero (demo) = 1152x640 (no AA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ridge Racer 6 (demo) = 1440x810 (no AA)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (2xAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (2xAA ? )
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (4xAA sometimes)
Splinter Cell Double Agent = 1280x720 (4xAA) (developer)
The Club = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Tomb Raider Legend (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 (screenshot) = 1040x585 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground = 1280x720
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Virtua Figther 5 (demo) = 1024x1024 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2xAA)

XBL GAMES

Boogie Bunnies = 1920x1080 (4xAA)

Does anyone Still think that the Guys over at Beyond3D are GUESSING?!?!

Quaz51 is absoluteyl right about the PS3 versions Native resolution - It's 640p. This is FACT.

He has done this HUNDREDS OF TIMES. The truth is that there are LOTS of Games out there that are advertised as 720p...or 1080p.... but many aren't.

If you are Confusing a Developer ( or more likely a PR guy who works for a Dev ) with JESUS, in that you believe they would never tell a lie; then you're REALLY naive.

Some of you don't seem to Get it. This isn't just some random guy on some randomforum who found out the PS3 version TRUE resolution. They have ben doing EXACTLY this kind of thing fora LONG time.

Here is a listing of all the games they have tested and found their TRUE resolution - Just so you understand the SCOPE of their experience.

Playstation 3

Army of Two = 1280x720 (no AA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (QAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (no AA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) ~1088x624 (2x AA)
Call of Duty 4 = 1024x600 (2x AA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (QAA), 1920x1080 (QAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Conflict: Denied Ops = 1280x720 (no AA) or 960x1080
Dark Sector = 1152x640 (no AA)
Def Jam Icon (screenshot) = 1152x648 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA, temporal)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Full Auto 2 (demo) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (no AA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1152x640 (no AA)
GT5 Prologue (demo) = 1280x1080 (2x AA) - garage/pit/showroom is 1920x1080 with no AA or 1280x720 with 4xAA
Guitar Hero 3 = 1040x585 (no AA)
Heavenly Sword = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Jericho (demo) = 996x560 (2x AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (QAA)
Lair = 800x1080 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to produce 1600x1080 for further scaling
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (temporal 2xAA)
Marvel: Ultimate Alliance (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
MLB08: The Show = 1280x720 (2xAA, The rendering window is adjustable down to 576p without upscaling to 720p i.e. the frame has black borders)
MX vs ATV (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
NBA07 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA08 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (no AA, poor framerate)
Ninja Gaiden: Sigma = 1280x720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p)
Pirates des Caraibes (screenshot) = 768x1080 (no AA)
960x720 en mode 720p
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (QAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ratchet & Clank: Tools of Destruction = 1280x704 (2xAA, centered on 720p output)
Ridge Racer 7 (demo) = 1920x1080 (no AA)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (QAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (no AA)
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (no AA)
The Darkness (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 = 1280x720
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Transformers (screenshot) = 960x1080 (no AA)
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Viking: Battle for Asgard = 960x720 (2xAA) - AA buffers are merged to a 1920x720 framebuffer, which is then downscaled to 1280x720
Virtua Fighter 5 (screenshot) = 1024x1024 (no AA)
1024x768 en mode 1080p
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
WWE 08 (screenshot) = ? 640x720 ? (2x AA)
les edges ont l'aparence du 1280x720 mais d'apres certain artefact il semble que ce soit le resultat de la fusion de 2 buffers MSAA 640x720
translation StefanS: "The edges give the impression of being 1280x720p, but because of a certain artefact it seems as if it's the result of the fusion of 2 MSAA buffers of resolution 640x720"
Uncharted: Drake's Fortune = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Unreal Tournament III = 1280x720 (no AA)

PSN GAMES

Blast Factor = 1920x1080 (no AA)
Calling All Cars (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (4x AA)
Echochrome = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Go Puzzle = 1920x1080
GTHD = 1440x1080 (no AA)
Selection des vehicules en 1920x1080
Locoroco Cocoreccho = 1920x1080 (2x AA)
Mainichi Issyo = 1440x1080 (4xAA)
Pixel Junk Monsters = 1920x1080
Pixel Junk Racers = 1920x1080
Rocketmen = 1920x1080 (2xAA)
Rub'a'dub = 1600x1080 (no AA)
Snakeball = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Stardust HD = 1280x1080 (no AA)
Sudoku = 1920x1080
Super Rub-a-Dub = 1600x1080
Tekken 5 Dark Ressurection (screenshot) = 1920x1080 (no AA)

Xbox 360

Army of Two = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Assassin's Creed = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Beowulf = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Bioshock = 1280x720 (no AA)
Burnout: Paradise = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 3 (screenshot) = 1040x624 (2xAA)
Call of Duty 4 (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Cars Mater-National = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Conan (demo) = 1024x576 (no AA)
Condemned 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Conflict: Denied Ops (demo) = 1280x720p (2xAA)
Dark Sector = 1280x720 (no AA)
Devil May Cry 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Fifa 2006 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Fifa 2007 (demo) = 1200x675 (no AA)
Fifa Street 3 = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
Gears of War = 1280x720 (HD), 960x720 (SD) (2xAA on static objects?)
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Golden Compass = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Grand Theft Auto IV = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Guitar Hero 3 = 1280x720 (no AA)
Halo 3 = 1152x640 (no AA)
Juiced 2: Hot Import Nights = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Lost Planet = 1280x720 (up to 4x MSAA dependent on framerate)
Mass Effect = 1280x720 (2xAA sometimes)
MotoGP 2006(screenshot) = 1280x1024 (framebuffer grab from AVS Forum member)
MX vs ATV = 1280x720 (no AA)
NBA Street Home court (demo) = 1920x1080 (4xAA)
NCAA Football 08 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
NFL Tour = 1280x720 (4xAA, 60fps)
Oblivion (screenshot) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Perfect Dark Zero (demo) = 1152x640 (no AA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 6 (demo) = 1024x576 (2xAA)
Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 3 (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Project Gotham Racing 4 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Rainbow Six Vegas 2 = 1280x720 (2xAA)
Ridge Racer 6 (demo) = 1440x810 (no AA)
SEGA: Superstars Tennis = 1280x720 (2xAA, 30fps)
Skate = 1280x720 (2xAA ? )
Soldier of Fortune: Payback = 1280x720 (4xAA sometimes)
Splinter Cell Double Agent = 1280x720 (4xAA) (developer)
The Club = 1280x720 (4xAA)
Tomb Raider Legend (demo) = 1024x600 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Project 8 (screenshot) = 1040x585 (2xAA)
Tony Hawk's Proving Ground = 1280x720
Turning Point: Fall of Liberty = 1280x720 (no AA)
Turok = 1280x720 (no AA)
Virtua Figther 5 (demo) = 1024x1024 (4xAA)
Virtua Tennis 3 (demo) = 1920x1080 (2xAA)

XBL GAMES

Boogie Bunnies = 1920x1080 (4xAA)

Guys, im sorry but at the end of the day, Game's Dev > All other sources. I mean if anyone is to know, its the people who made the damn game. I agree that it would not be a good PR move to admit it, but u need to realize that they cant just flatout lie as there are consequences too that are far worse than just admitting. So until Rockstar says otherwise, im just gonna stick with PS3 version = 720pII_Seraphim_II

Well then you'd be wrong.

The guys over at Beyond3D have done this LITERALLY HUNDREDS of times. Do you think Halo 3 was the first time they had ever found out a games TRUE resolution? And were they wrong about Halo 3 being 640p? No. How about COD 4 being 600p? Were they wrong there either? No, ofcourse not. - THEY ARE NOT GUESSING

Ummmm, that link does NOTHING to disprove that the PS3 version is 720p. Infact you can't Disprove GTA IV PS3 being native 640p, because it already been Proven as FACT. The PS3 version being 640p was NEVER a "Rumor."

It's true that the pS3 version outputs at 720p, but that is AFTER it is upscalled.

How do you think they found out about it being 604p to begin with? The guys over at Beyond3D Ripped imges STRAIGHT FROM THE PS3's FRAMEBUFFER.

This thread only dramatically illustrates how few of you have any clue what you're talking about.

Here is another comparison the guys at Beyond3D whipped up.

As you can see in the Distance the PS3's Lower Native resolution ( 640p ) causes the supports in the bridge to Blur Together, where it's much more clear and defined in the 360 version.

[QUOTE="iamanoobkillme"]ign said ps3 had aa :?AgentA-Mi6

The PS3 version has what the guys at Beyond3D are calling a "blur buffer" ( it's not AA ) which adds a slight blur to the entire image. This makes "jaggies" less noticable. Also when the PS3 upscales the 640p native rendering to 720p this slightly blurs the image aswell. This is why it has been reported that the PS3 version has a "softer" look.

[QUOTE="UpSwing"][QUOTE="stvee101"]

These guys have waaay too much time on their hands,but this is some pretty big ownage for cows if its true :(

But I'd doubt anyone could actually tell the difference between the two anyway,still it looks like devs are still having trouble with the PS3.

stvee101

There is no "if" about it at this point. This is Fact.

Well the 360 version suffers texture pop-in from what I've heard,so I guess they're even.:)

Or more accurately, Both version have Texture pop-in. The PS3 version does however has less of it.

These guys have waaay too much time on their hands,but this is some pretty big ownage for cows if its true :(

But I'd doubt anyone could actually tell the difference between the two anyway,still it looks like devs are still having trouble with the PS3.

stvee101

There is no "if" about it at this point. This is Fact.