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#1 EolGul2
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Why the hell did he do that? Surely he could resist his urges better than that.MrBlazing_S

You must not be very familiar with Rampage. He's not the most responsible man in the world. If he wants to hump you, you're getting humped. If he wants to terrorize the streets in his monster truck, you better stay inside until the cops show up.

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#2 EolGul2
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I came into this thread ready to one up you by saying, "Rampage was doing that years ago, they probably laerned it from him." Turns out you posted a video of Rampage doing that a year ago.

Before that he was doing it in Japan.

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#3 EolGul2
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[QUOTE="EolGul2"]

I have a theory about music today, but first I would like to address this:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nothing new in the world of music. There has always been good and bad. Difference is you can find more music on your own then was possible back in the day when you had only what the business released to the media. Enjoy searching....LJS9502_basic

I agree. There's always been good and bad. But back in the 60's and 70's much more good music was getting played on pop stations. Back then, bands like The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, etc. had chart topping albums. So my point is that good music was more popular then than it is today, especially among young people.

Played on pop stations? No. The Beatles...yes. Zep...no. You have to find the Stones, Zep, Hendrix, and Floyd on the AOR stations...but they were certainly not played on pop stations. AOR was on FM and you had one station. AM was the band that most people listened to for hits.

I should have said they were played on popular stations. Whether or not the Stones were technically on pop stations, they still had a bunch number one hits. And bands like Zeppelin still had the number one album.

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Duran, who lives in the town of Salvaterra do Mino says she now wants to charge a fee on everyone who uses the Sun, with 50% going to the Spanish government, 20% towards the nations pension fund, 10% to research, 10% to ending world hunger and 10% to herself.pengo93

Then every plant on this planet owes her a lot of money.

I wonder what exactly she did to earn the right to own the sun? She get in a space ship and fly there with a little "Duran" flag to stick in it. :twisted:

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i see where you coming from. i have a hard time with the fact that something being more complex means its better. sometimes simplicity is a better means of expression rather than complexity. to compare the first song with the second song was unfair. yes the first was more complex persay, yes there may have been a bit more abstraction and avaunt aspect. the second was was repetative, but the repetition imo didn't do anything to hurt the song. production quality i think was a bit more acceptable as well though that may be to newer advances in music equipment. i would say that there is just as much experimentation, not necessarily in that song but in other songs that she has produced and sang. Ke$ha is a solo artist, which to me somewhat restricts/hinders her ability to produce the sort of sound a band such as led zeppelin can create. her creativity to me comes from her approach to mixing in many different electronic genres that typically are heard in many electronic stations but not necessarily in popular music. also her care free don't really give a **** lyrics. im not saying Ke$ha is better than led zepplin. I think if you were to put the singer of led zeppelin 'Plant' in a studio with a Casio synth/keyboard, an 808, a studio mixer and vocoder and asked for a chart topping pop hit with a mass appeal to international fan base, he would be hard pressed.huytttr


McDonald's sells more hamburgers than Bobby Flay. Budweiser sells more beers than Stone. They appeal to the lowest common denominator. They should be respected for their ability to move product, and their effective marketing, but they should not be respected for their artistic accomplishments (whether crafting a burger or a beer). The same applies to pop singers today. The argument I made in the last post was that the lowest common denominator has gotten lower over the years, for various reasons.

I agree that more complexity doesn't always mean something is better, but complexity allows for more creativity and (for me) gives the music a much higher replay value. It's great listening to a song for the twentieth time and still discovering new things.

Also, how does Ke$ha being a "solo artist" have anything to do with the sound she can produce? She can't produce that sound because she doesn't have the talent, passion, frame of mind, etc. The dollar sign is right there in her name. She's manufacturing a product specifically designed to appeal to the masses. On the other hand, I believe bands like Zeppelin and the Beatles were more concerned with making great music as an artistic expression than selling albums.

By the way, this is why I put "solo artist" in quotes. This is from the Wiki page of Ke$ha's new ablum.

Personnel

* Klas Ã…hlund– Composer
* Ammo– Musician, Producer, Programming
* Billboard– Additional Production, Mixing, Musician, Producer, Programming, Remixing
* Benny Blanco– Musician, Producer, Programming
* Emily Burton– Management
* Joshua Coleman– Composer
* Shondrae Crawford– Composer
* Shondrae "Mr. Bangladesh" Crawford– Musician, Producer, Programming
* Megan Dennis– Production Coordination
* Megan Denniss– Production Coordination
* Dr. Luke– Executive Producer, Musician, Producer, Programming
* Eric Eylands– Assistant
* Sarai Fiszel– Make-Up
* David Gamson– Composer, Engineer, Mixing, Musician, Producer, Programming
* Chris Gehringer– Mastering
* Serban Ghenea– Mixing
* Erwin Gorostiza– Creative Director
* Aniela Gottwald– Assistant
* Lukasz Gottwald– Composer, Vocals (Background)
* Tatiana Gottwald– Assistant
* Allan Grigg– Composer
* Rani Hancock– A&R, Vocals (Background)
* John Hanes– Mixing
* Jacob Kasher Hindlin– Composer
* Sam Holland– Engineer, Vocals (Background)
* Chris "Hollywood" Holmes– Engineer
* Mathieu Jomphe– Composer
* Kool Kojak– Musician, Producer, Programming
* Greg Kurstin– Composer, Producer
* Benjamin Levin– Composer, Vocals (Background)
* Jeremy Levin– Assistant
* Ken Levitan– Management
* Nicki Loranger– Management
* Marjan Malakpour– Stylist
* Max Martin– Composer, Musician, Producer, Programming
* Ramsell Martinez– Hair Stylist
* Marc Nelkin– Composer
* Chris "Tek" O'Ryan– Engineer
* Irene Richter– Production Coordination
* Tim Roberts– Mixing Assistant
* Jack Rovner– Management
* Kesha Sebert– Composer
* Pebe Sebert– Composer
* Seth Waldmann– Engineer
* Eric Weaver– Engineer
* Emily Wright– Engineer, Vocals (Background)


This is from the Led Zeppelin album.

Personnel Led Zeppelin

* Jimmy Page– acoustic, electric, and pedal steel guitar, backing vocals, production
* Robert Plant– vocals, harmonica, and occasional bass
* John Bonham– drums, timpani, backing vocals
* John Paul Jones– bass guitar, organ, keyboards, backing vocals

Additional personnel

* Barry Diament– original Compact Disc mastering
* Chris Dreja– back liner photo
* Peter Grant– executive producer
* George Hardie– cover design
* Viram Jasani– tabla on "Black Mountain Side"
* Glyn Johns– engineering, mixing
* George Marino– remastered Compact Disc

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I have a theory about music today, but first I would like to address this:

Nothing new in the world of music. There has always been good and bad. Difference is you can find more music on your own then was possible back in the day when you had only what the business released to the media. Enjoy searching....LJS9502_basic

I agree. There's always been good and bad. But back in the 60's and 70's much more good music was getting played on pop stations. Back then, bands like The Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Elvis, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, etc. had chart topping albums. So my point is that good music was more popular then than it is today, especially among young people.

So here is my theory. Back then the culture was very different. Many young people would spent their days driving around town just listening to music, or getting high and playing their favorite new album over and over. You couldn't download songs for free or have 10,000 songs available to you at all times. And computers couldn't be used to create music. As a result, there was a greater emphasis on depth, musicianship, quality, and even replay value of music. Now, we all have a thousand things available to entertain us (including music videos), so the actual music isn't as important as having a good beat and a memorable, catchy chorus. Today's culture favors music that appeals to the lowest common denominator. The songs are simple, easy to understand, easy to remember, easy to bob your head to, and not very complex. Anything else would be overwhelming to most young people today, who simply aren't as passionate about music and have a thousand other ways to entertain themselves.

For example, compare these two songs.

This was a from a hit album 40 years ago.
This is from a hit album today.

The first song is longer. It's more complex. It features solos. There are fast and slow parts. There is a high degree of musicianship from the artists.
The second song is shorter. It's simple. It's much more repetative musically and lyrically. There are no solos. The beat is consistent. Nearly everything you hear, even the voice is made using a computer. There's less experimentation. There's less emotion. There's less raw talent.

Does that make any sense or do you guys think I'm way off? Keep in mind, I'm not saying there's no good music being made today, I'm just saying popular music today is crap compared to a lot of popular music from a few decades ago.

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#7 EolGul2
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Who should have taught their children that drugs are bad

carrot-cake

Drugs are bad in some circumstances, but not all. The word "drugs" is overused despite being poorly understood. Everything from Dr. Pepper to heroin is technically a drug. Some drugs are beneficial to many people. Every doctor alive prescribes drugs. Some drugs are often deleterious and can result in death, but anyone who simply says, "drugs are bad" is basically putting their ignorance on display. Many, many people benefit from drugs.

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#8 EolGul2
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Either smoking or not smoking can be cool, depending who you're asking.

In some groups and cultures, you'll become an outcast if you mention that you smoke weed. Other groups will accept you based on the fact that you smoke weed.

My opinion is that it doesn't matter what's considered cool. Decide what works best for you, and if people don't like you based on that decision, they're not worth spending time with and you shouldn't give any credence to their opinions.

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Wait... so he actually thought that Beyounce's music is something "real"? As in something that can be considered serious art?Lonelynight

Perhaps if Ms. Swift had worn a leotard and spanked herself he would have been able to appreciate her video as well.

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#10 EolGul2
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I'm not gonna try argue with you that Kanye makes good music. Your mind is already set. You don't like. Everyone's has a diffrent taste. My arguement is that you that you were listening to The Beatles, and then you listened to Kanye, and you have made the great assumption that music is in a sad place. That's something my granny says. It's apple to oranges. Just because you listene to The Beatles dosen't mean you have some superior taste and that people are less exquiste because they listen to Kanye. I'm not arguing all night. Last post.

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My mind is not set. If he comes out with something incredible, I'll be more than happy to acknowledge it. Why do you think I listened to his new album? I'm not a masochist. I was hoping to hear something incredible.

And I never assumed "music is in a sad place." That's taken out of context. I've been reading that Kanye might win alum of the year, so I listened to it. Since that is considered one of the best popular albums of the year, I'm incredibly underwhelmed at the state of popular music today.