EG101's forum posts

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#1 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@boxrekt said:

@EG101: lol so a total of $840?

Remember it also includes Game Pass Ultimate which is $15 a month.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#2 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

Next thing you are going to see is PS fanboys telling us that 1 thousand dollars is more money than 1 million dollars.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#4 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@drlostrib said:

No

I also wouldn't buy one normally either

All Access is very good deal for people that don't own a capable PC.

It won't appeal to everyone but there is no denying its a great deal.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5  Edited By EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@Zero_epyon said:
@EG101 said:
@Zero_epyon said:

PS5 should still be a 4K/60 console. I'm not worried about the next gen consoles in terms of visuals and quality. The difference will be in performance. Will that extra bit of GPU power really make a noticeable difference in performance? What cutbacks will multiplatform devs really have to make because the PS5 has a slightly less capable GPU.

Imo, the differences between the 2 will likely just be in the Ray Tracing implementation.

XSX will be able to be a bit more aggressive there. Games should run the same.

That's one thing I missed. What's the difference between the Series X and the PS5 in terms of ray tracing capabilities?

The rumor is in RDNA2's architecture the more CU's you have the better Ray Tracing can be Implemented. Clock speed doesn't necessarily scale linearly with Ray Tracing but CU count does.

Not sure how accurate that is but that's the rumor from the same guy that released the GitHub specs for both consoles.

Edit: Also Ray Tracing is a resource hog so the extra TF's will help with running your game while implementing RT.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#6 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@Zero_epyon said:

PS5 should still be a 4K/60 console. I'm not worried about the next gen consoles in terms of visuals and quality. The difference will be in performance. Will that extra bit of GPU power really make a noticeable difference in performance? What cutbacks will multiplatform devs really have to make because the PS5 has a slightly less capable GPU.

Imo, the differences between the 2 will likely just be in the Ray Tracing implementation.

XSX will be able to be a bit more aggressive there. Games should run the same.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#7 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@tormentos said:
@lamprey263 said:

I think both will release $500, Sony probably can't afford to take a loss and rumors said they were struggling to keep PS5 production costs under $450, so a $500 price seems more likely to me. I think MS will price the Series X the same, they might be taking a loss but it's a drop in bucket for them, and since they are a company with significantly less overhead than Sony, that cost would put a dent in their tax liability, and they'd still have billions left over to make their typical acquisitions to write off the rest.

See this is the kind of thing that make me think some people here can't simply use logic.

What were the so call culprids of the price hike for sony?

Nand and DRAM prices,unless you prove to me that the xbox series X doesn't use dram and nand flash that price hike will affect the xbox as well.

What make you think sony can't take a loss? Again with PSN printing money how can't they not?

In fact PSN make them more money than what NIntendo did as a whole.'

I don't see MS exposing its self to loses just because MS has money doesn't mean they will continue to loss it on xbox,and in fact the xbox loss its exclusives to PC and the xbox one will be keep around for that same reason to make some dollars.

Both consoles will come in at $500 with a small loss or $600 with a small profit.

That $450 BOM someone came up with wasn't including packaging, housing and retailer profit. Adding Super high speed SSD's (and the I/O logic to handle them) to these consoles easily adds a good $100. XB1X launched at $500. That PS5 is going to require some good cooling like the XSX if not better. I see the consoles hitting $600 easily if Sony and MS want to make a small profit.

I've got no problem paying $600 because both consoles are going to easily be worth it.

Try buying a PC with similar specs and see how much that costs.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#8  Edited By EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@tormentos said:
@EG101 said:
@Sagemode87 said:

@EG101: No, it's not. But keep saying that to further your little narrative.

Name 1 other stock AMD GPU running above 2Ghz right now on a 7nmE process.

If you can I'll admit I'm wrong

Name one RDNA2 GPU bigger than the series X,oh and both have Ray traycing again no AMD varian on PC exist with this specs.

Just because something is new and not on PC doesn't mean is not real,both the PS5 and xbox have GPU with no equivalent from AMD on PC yet.

Basically what you are doing is damage controlling the fact that the PS5 is not far,the xbox been stronger doesn't fill you unless it is by allot..😂

We'll find out the truth when the DF comparisons make the rounds.

I still don't trust that high clock as a sustainable clock. Sounds like it will get very hot to me.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

I believe both will be $500 to $600 unless one of Sony or MS decide they want to take a loss on HW.

I believe the final BOM on both will be similar. Only question left is if that BOM is at $500 or $600.

BOM is definitely at a minimum of $500 by the time packaging is included which could mean $600 consoles or $500 with a loss.

Avatar image for EG101
EG101

2091

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

2

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#10 EG101
Member since 2007 • 2091 Posts

@tormentos said:
@Pedro said:

That is false and was clearly stated not to be true in Mark Cerny's own words.

Excuse me it will run at 2.23ghz most of the time.

However, again, while 2.23GHz is the limit and also the typical speed

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-specs-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

The only times the GPU will not run at that speed if when the CPU require more power,in other words in CPU bound scenarios were the CPU would need extra power,other wise that will be the speed.

@EG101 said:

The PS5 is a 9.2 TF console boosted to 10.3 TF's.

The 7nm process can only sustain speeds around 1.8 Ghz and 7nmE Process can sustain speeds up to 2 Ghz not above 2 Ghz. MS already told us XSX is 7nmEnhanced.

Unless the PS5 is built on the expensive and fairly new 7nm+ process those 2.23Ghz claims are not realistic.

I highly doubt the PS5 was designed around a different process than XSX. More likely both are probably built on the 7nmE process with 2 Ghz sustained clocks being the safe clock speeds for those GPU's.

GitHub was correct with their information. 9.2 TF's is likely the sustained output of PS5's GPU with it able to boost to 10.3 TF's when power allows.

NO.

RDNA2 please stop.

However, again, while 2.23GHz is the limit and also the typical speed

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2020-playstation-5-specs-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

Again the speed will be 2.23ghz only when the PS5 CPU require more power the GPU will drop in worse case 10% power,which mean an even smaller % frequency drop.

Guthub never stated that Guthub showed what was an early test of the chip,which by the way more than 1 year ago was already running at 2.0ghz.

Second you can't just take a GPU that already is running at 2ghz and rise it 200+mhz more without problems,hell people here claimed the PS5 wasn't RDNA2,when it is clear it is since RDNA 1 would never everrrr hold those clock sustain period,hell RDNA1 was even giving problems with thermals on small OC over stock.

I ask you why do you fanboys get from this? Why invent crap to try to make the xbox gap bigger than it is,you people did the same shit this gen but on reverse trying to downplay a 40% gap,now you want to make a 17% one seem bigger and you are not the only one,and oddly using the same style claiming false crap that already has been disproven by sony own words and worse which even DF state in its article.

The gapo will be what it is period,it will not grow or get smaller by arguments.

Hell there is a bigger disparity in the SSD than on power.

@Sagemode87 said:

@EG101: No, it's not. But keep saying that to further your little narrative.

Either he has 10 accounts or lemmings have join forces to make the same false claims to see if it stick.😂

Then they claim i am damage controlling,but some how what they are doing is not inventing crap.

What a silly thing to say.

Anyway PS5 will be the first mass market device that will have a 36 CU AMD GPU clocked so highly. Hope it works out well.