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#1 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@hofuldig said:
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@son-goku7523 said:

@boxrekt: Your argument assumes Sony views the PS5 as some sort of higher end PS4. What makes you think Sony is content with people holding on to their PS4s and waiting for PS5 to become affordable in 2 or 3 years with competition like MS and Google Stadia around? That makes no sense at all. They want to gain marketshare as quick as possible so that the PS5 can start a new install-base ASAP for next gen.

Marketing your console to gaming enthusiasts is the surest way to fail. You’ve said so yourself, the X has been successful among the hardcore but it hasn’t moved the needle for MS at all when you place it next to Sony’s overall sales which are bolstered by the uber successful OG PS4 and PS4 Slim. The PS5 isn’t supposed to be a replacement to the PS4 Pro or compete with the X for hardcore gamers, it’s meant to replace the aging regular PS4, it’s a new starting point for Sony. Marketing it as a premium console is exactly what Sony should avoid. They are supposed to market the PS5 as an affordable yet capable console like they did with the PS4. Trying to market it as a premium PS4 Pro or X replacement will cause the PS5 to fail. It will be appealing to people like us on SW but outside gaming enthusiast circles it will fail hard, and that’s what Sony should avoid at all costs. Crossgen game development doesn’t change the dynamics at all. A $400 console is still way more marketable than a $500 or $600 one.

So why not market a $300 console I mean according to you cheaper is better right?

People expect Next Gen to be a jump from last Gen and you are not getting that in a $400 box which will be a slightly better XB1X.

At $400 you are probably looking at 8 or 9 TF console with a Zen CPU and 16 Gigs of Ram and that could be with Sony taking a loss on each unit.

It makes much more sense to aim for $600. Give us 24 Gigs of Ram, 12-16 TF's with a Zen CPU, SSD and not take a loss on each sale.

its going to be $399, its going to have either 12 or 16GB of ram, zen2, Navi is supposed to be the mid end cheapo GPU from AMD and if you havnt followed the news Navi was re designed to work better with consoles. i expect that at most Navi will be no more than 20% faster than the PS4 pro however the big leaps will be in the CPU and if devs can do some "magic" like naughty dog did with the PS3 they could offload some GPU workloads to the CPU.

Would you please provide a Link to Sony's official $400 price announcement.

see "PS4" launch, also if you actually do some research you can find out what these components cost for the individual, as a large corporation sony would pay significantly less, like the Zen2 CPU for example. AMD revealed their yields and it only costs them like $40 to make an 8c Chip, so you could assume sony and AMD have a very good working relationship it wouldnt be hard to think that they would be paying $60 for the cpu. same with the ram, if its GDDR6 regular consumer pricing is something like $9/GB, its not a hard stretch to think that sony is probably paying like $5/GB. the OS is free as it is developed in house and a 250W Psu probably costs like $30 considering you can get a 500W for $40.

So No Link.

Guess there is still a chance of a $500 - $600 Power House PS5 being released instead of a PS4 Pro-er.

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#2 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

If the Pro sells fine at $400 while Sony pockets a cool $100 per sale they should absolutely continue to do so until sales drop significantly for at least 3 months straight. Then they could reduce the price to spark sales again. Play Station is a risky business so Sony should take advantage of every opportunity to be profitable.

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#3 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@robert_sparkes said:

I thought it was common knowledge.

No, the last official numbers from Sony and MS had 360 ahead by about 1 million.

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#4 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

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@Pedro: it defeats the purpose of me buying the console. Seriously what reason could I have to buy a next gen Xbox when I've got a PC?

If you own a Windows PC you already own an Xbox.

That's the point. If you also had an Xbox you would have access to much of your digital Library thru both your PC and your Xbox so the two systems would complement each other.

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#5 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

The One game I miss by not playing on PC is Civilization but now that Civ is available on Switch there is no need to PC game for me. PC does have the Greatest game library of all time. No doubt about that.

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#6 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

I still prefer Open World Non-Linear games over Linear games.

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#7 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@hofuldig said:
@EG101 said:
@son-goku7523 said:

@boxrekt: Your argument assumes Sony views the PS5 as some sort of higher end PS4. What makes you think Sony is content with people holding on to their PS4s and waiting for PS5 to become affordable in 2 or 3 years with competition like MS and Google Stadia around? That makes no sense at all. They want to gain marketshare as quick as possible so that the PS5 can start a new install-base ASAP for next gen.

Marketing your console to gaming enthusiasts is the surest way to fail. You’ve said so yourself, the X has been successful among the hardcore but it hasn’t moved the needle for MS at all when you place it next to Sony’s overall sales which are bolstered by the uber successful OG PS4 and PS4 Slim. The PS5 isn’t supposed to be a replacement to the PS4 Pro or compete with the X for hardcore gamers, it’s meant to replace the aging regular PS4, it’s a new starting point for Sony. Marketing it as a premium console is exactly what Sony should avoid. They are supposed to market the PS5 as an affordable yet capable console like they did with the PS4. Trying to market it as a premium PS4 Pro or X replacement will cause the PS5 to fail. It will be appealing to people like us on SW but outside gaming enthusiast circles it will fail hard, and that’s what Sony should avoid at all costs. Crossgen game development doesn’t change the dynamics at all. A $400 console is still way more marketable than a $500 or $600 one.

So why not market a $300 console I mean according to you cheaper is better right?

People expect Next Gen to be a jump from last Gen and you are not getting that in a $400 box which will be a slightly better XB1X.

At $400 you are probably looking at 8 or 9 TF console with a Zen CPU and 16 Gigs of Ram and that could be with Sony taking a loss on each unit.

It makes much more sense to aim for $600. Give us 24 Gigs of Ram, 12-16 TF's with a Zen CPU, SSD and not take a loss on each sale.

its going to be $399, its going to have either 12 or 16GB of ram, zen2, Navi is supposed to be the mid end cheapo GPU from AMD and if you havnt followed the news Navi was re designed to work better with consoles. i expect that at most Navi will be no more than 20% faster than the PS4 pro however the big leaps will be in the CPU and if devs can do some "magic" like naughty dog did with the PS3 they could offload some GPU workloads to the CPU.

Would you please provide a Link to Sony's official $400 price announcement.

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#8 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@son-goku7523 said:

@boxrekt: Your argument assumes Sony views the PS5 as some sort of higher end PS4. What makes you think Sony is content with people holding on to their PS4s and waiting for PS5 to become affordable in 2 or 3 years with competition like MS and Google Stadia around? That makes no sense at all. They want to gain marketshare as quick as possible so that the PS5 can start a new install-base ASAP for next gen.

Marketing your console to gaming enthusiasts is the surest way to fail. You’ve said so yourself, the X has been successful among the hardcore but it hasn’t moved the needle for MS at all when you place it next to Sony’s overall sales which are bolstered by the uber successful OG PS4 and PS4 Slim. The PS5 isn’t supposed to be a replacement to the PS4 Pro or compete with the X for hardcore gamers, it’s meant to replace the aging regular PS4, it’s a new starting point for Sony. Marketing it as a premium console is exactly what Sony should avoid. They are supposed to market the PS5 as an affordable yet capable console like they did with the PS4. Trying to market it as a premium PS4 Pro or X replacement will cause the PS5 to fail. It will be appealing to people like us on SW but outside gaming enthusiast circles it will fail hard, and that’s what Sony should avoid at all costs. Crossgen game development doesn’t change the dynamics at all. A $400 console is still way more marketable than a $500 or $600 one.

So why not market a $300 console I mean according to you cheaper is better right?

People expect Next Gen to be a jump from last Gen and you are not getting that in a $400 box which will be a slightly better XB1X.

At $400 you are probably looking at 8 or 9 TF console with a Zen CPU and 16 Gigs of Ram and that could be with Sony taking a loss on each unit.

It makes much more sense to aim for $600. Give us 24 Gigs of Ram, 12-16 TF's with a Zen CPU, SSD and not take a loss on each sale.

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#9 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

4K resolutions are more than enough pixels for me.

8K Upscaling will be nice for high end users who spend $5,000+ on TV sets but then again they probably already own high end PCs.

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#10 Posted by EG101 (1965 posts) -

@son-goku7523 said:
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@dalger21 said:
@Pedro said:

Can't wait to see the price

Current specs say it will be 499-599

If Sony stuffs everything it can in a $600 box I will be pleased.

It's going to be late 2020 almost 2021 during the launch of PS5. $400 is a pathetic budget for a High Tech Toy in 2021.

Sony will never sell a $600 PS5, last time they sold at that price it almost killed their entire company.

First you have to understand why the $600 PS3 launch hurt Sony.

The most obvious reason was that Sony was selling an $800 box for $600 taking a $200 hit on each launch PS3.

2nd the PS3 launch was in 2006, the PS5 will be launching in 2020 14 years later and inflation is a real thing.

Sony should simply build a Slim PS4 Pro that can sell for $250 and give us a $600 PS5 Console at cost without taking a loss. If $200 is going to stop you from buying a console that will give you 6-8 years of current gen gaming then you shouldn't be gaming at all as you obviously should be using the money on other things. Gaming is a hobby and an expensive one.