Why the PS4 will have best graphics this 8th generation and much better than what a pc can do?

The answer is simple

(With this topic I am not claiming that a ps4 is more powerful than a pc with gtx titan x or a pc with gtx 980 or such.If any of you pc gamers out there have a brain you can understand what I told)

The first reason is optimization

Quote from jon carmack

https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/436012673243693056

quote from metro last light Dev's

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/66287443/745522481?page=0

and according to dev's and professionals including mark cerny,guerriela games,paradox games,etc,.. consoles are more optimized and run twice the performance than a pc with same hardware.Reasons being fixed hardware,most optimized api,no bulky os,custom unified architechure,no bottlenecks and ofcourse any sane person can know that consoles are gaming machines whereas pc's are not.

so in terms of raw specs A ps4 has an enhanced modified hd 7870 or something like r9 270 but has better 8gb shared gddr5 and 18 compute units.

so twice the power of hd 7870 will put it in range of high end pc's with it equaling gtx 780 and r9 290 in terms of hardware utilization and performance if good optimization is done.

similarly an xbox has hd 7790 or a r5 240 but can perform as good as gtx 750ti or gtx 760 if optimization is well done.

where does that leave pc gaming? a gtx 780 is 80% more powerful than a hd 7870 and an r9 290 is 95% more powerful.So a ps4 with optimization can easily match these gpu's.But there are pc's with gpu's more than twice the power of a ps4 and that is gtx 970 105%(2.05), gtx 980 120%(2.25) and titan x is 150%(2.5) powerful than a ps4

So yeah you can buy a pc gpu that is 50% more powerful than a ps4(with good optimization) but at what price?yeah the card itself costs three times the price of a ps4 and don't let me get to the entire price of a rig with the gpu.

So yeah as simple as the hardware in the consoles seems it can actually pull out graphics of a high end pc.So optimization is one of the main reasons.And since this gen ps4 is considerably lot more powerful than an xbox one,PS4 will see the best graphics.

The second vital reason for why ps4 will have best graphics is,

sure I told before you can build more powerful rigs than a ps4 with thousands of dollars and enthuaist gpu's like gtx 980ti or a gtx 980 but does it mean games on these gpu's have better graphics than games a ps4?

yeah yeah how much ever you optimize a ps4 it will never match a gtx 980 rig and I know that but then why does every ps4 exclusive game look better than any pc game even on a titan x quad sli? The reason is simple haw many % of the pc gamers have a rig with gtx 980? wait how many pc gamers have more powerful than a mid range pc with r7 260x in first place? and last time I heard many pc gamers struggle to run even ps3 era games on medium and low settings.And the fact that only 3 million pc gamers are out there who can atleast run gta 5 in bare minimum settings.Yeah the truth is 95% of pc gamers don't even own rigs as good as what a wii u or a ps3 does.And only 2 million pc gamers can handle a next gen game on a pc.

So will dev's bother making a game exclusive for the graphical capability of a gtx 970 or a gtx 980? Never and not atleast once these cards become low end.

So all multiplatform games are seen that they can atleast run on a xbox one or worse come worse even low end pc.In fact forget xbox,all games multiplatform are made that even mid range hardware like gtx 750 can handle those graphics.So bascially any game you play even on titan x quad sli is bascially the same graphics of a low-midrange pc hardware gtx 750 except upscaled resolution and just a slightly better image quality and frames which don't do crap for graphics.

meanwhile on ps4 exclusives there is no limitation of graphics like xbox one hardware or low-midrange pc hardware.So exclusive dev's utilize ps4's hardware to the fullest with no limitations at all.The graphics need not be compromised for other platforms.

so ps4 will have games that look better than any game that releases this 8th gen on even titan x. ps4 games will have best graphics games.Deal with it and face it hermits.

TL;DR

optimization

console optimization is like relation of a motorbike and a bus.A 2000$ 500cc engine motorbike will always be faster than a 300hp bus that costs 10,000$.Similarly a ps4 with hd 7870 is as good as a pc with gtx 780 or r9 290 according to dev's .

limitations

here relation is like a formula 1 racing car and a buggati.Sure the buggati is the fastest car with 345mph and a formula 1 car is slower and can only do 250-300mph.But a buggati is limited to the speed limit imposed on the road traffic and road rules can can never go beyond 50-60mph whereas a formula 1 car has freedom to reach it's max potential 250-300mph on a racing track.So while a titan x is limited to run games only runnable by a low-mid end pc hardware or atmost an xbox one A ps4 can freely use it's complete potential and run the best graphics games.

Understood pc fanboys?

TL;DR: TC is blind.

FULL: TC has a very poor understanding of hardware, thinks that optimisation is magic, and uses incomparable analogies to dress up his assertion. Also fails, or even attempts to prove the title statement "PS4 will have best graphics". Overall, TC is still blind.

PS: The average PC gamer knows a fair bit about hardware, and then there are some who know a lot more. In any event, when some consolite presents ignorance as his "true and factual" understanding, it's quite easy for us to see the idiocy of it all.

Zippity doo dah.... optimisation is easy with set boundaries while a PC has no boundaries.

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@Cloud_imperium: Is that like finding Jesus or Elvis?

Finding a troll.

TL;DR: you are wrong, the PS4 is already reaching the limits of its capacity, with multiplats on it taking resolution and/or frame rate hits compared to the PC versions, and with exclusive games themselves not providing the kind of generational leap that PS3 games last generation did, even with numerous compromises, such as was the case with The Order.

The PS4 was built as a mid range PC in 2012, and that is what it is capable of. Accept it and move on, there's nothing wrong with that, if you wanted graphics, you wouldn't be gaming on consoles to begin with. Consoles are for ease of use and convenience, and the PS4 is the best at that. Leave it at that.

I can pretty much end this with two pictures, he's trying to say that the GPU in the PlayStation 4 is on level with an R9 290 after optimizations, well I downclocked my GPU to reflect 290 performance and this is the result on Ultra settings with absolutely everything enabled with the exception of Hairworks.

There is no replacement for raw compute power, these consoles are gutter trash in comparison.

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1920x1080

OP is a fakeboy troll trying to make cows look bad.

Yes, that's a known fact that consoles can go beyond an equivalent PC. Last generation's games like Gears 3 or TLoU running on 2005 hardware are a good example of it.

Haters prefer to believe that optimization is a myth, though.

The consoles from last generation had experimental and unfamiliar hardware architecture that developers over time were able to learn and take advantage of more and more as the generation pushed on. These consoles, the Xbox One and PlayStation 4 are literally just x86 PC's running fairly standard PC hardware in custom configurations. The limitations are known, the coding caps and performance output is known, there's nothing more that can be done with these things, they're not a treasure chest of architecture that developers are going to figure out over the course of the generation.

What you're seeing now is what you're going to get.

TC is drunk on turkey.

Xbox 360 has a very familiar and easy to develop for hardware, but it didn't stop later games to look almost one generation ahead the launch ones. We already have current generation examples. Games like SW Battlefront, Advanced Warfare or Black Ops 3 look and perform better than BF4 and CoD Ghosts, and they are just one or two years apart. Future games will obviously improve.

Seriously what's with the new cow troll accounts made in November, two of them on the 25th...

This why you stay off crack kids.

Many of the best pc games atm could run on a 3ds.

No, the Xbox 360 when it released was an unfamiliar hardware architecture package that developers had to familiarize themselves with over the course of the generation. What we have now is just x86 PC architecture with PC hardware, essentially the most simple coding base available for developers as they actually develop all games in a PC ecosystem to begin with. The PlayStation 4 and Xbox One have minor nuances to their hardware that needed to be accounted for and learned, but it's nothing substantial, and it's already been figured out.

Games like Battlefront are a scaled down Battlefield experience with less going on in smaller scale environments. You have to understand that you're confusing scaling and engine refinements with hardware caps, technology and engines will improve, but the hardware is tapped out.

Too all the pc gamers you are wrong. Stop being blind.In that case show me a pc game as good as kz sf?

@nyadc: sorry even r9 290 runs witcher 3 ultra in 40 fps or 30 fps when vsync similar to ps4. Not to mention witcher 3 on pc looks like paper mario compared to killzone shadow fall.

I already proved you incorrect previously.

P.S. Star Citizen and any multi-platform game, especially Battlefront.

Still waiting for the ps4 to pull ahead of an oc'ed HD7850, which is equivalent to the ps4 gpu.

Here's a video of a factory oc'ed 7850 coupled with an old phenom x4 running the beta of SW: Battlefront (arguably the best looking game right now) pretty well, at 1080p, high settings, avg framerate is 55 fps and min frame rate is 44 fps. And since there has been performance optimizations upon release it would run a bit better today. So that old pc would probably come pretty close to the ps4 version's frame rate at a higher resolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-AMICTDNX0

What is this even supposed to mean? I literally just showed you the game on Ultra (considerably higher settings than the PS4 version) at two different resolutions with a 290 equivalent running at 40 FPS at 2560x1440 and 55 FPS at 1920x1080...

@charizard1605:

Na you are wrong.PS4 is just starting to be optimized and will only be lot more powerful in coming 2 years.Multiplats? Toukiden kiwami,one piece 3,way of samurai 4,black ops 3,batman arkham knight,tomb raider 2013 are lot better on ps4 than on pc.So perhaps gtx 980 reached it's limit.Generational leap? still no pc game that looks as good as killzone sf.Not to mention the order already looks way better than kz sf and detroit:become human looks two times better than kz sf.

the ps4 had high end hardware of 2012(r9 270) and because of optimization can compete with enthuisast cards of 2012(gtx 780 and r9 290).Accept it and move on, if you wanted graphics and gaming no one would be gaming on pc's to begin with.PC's are for competitive gaming like dota 2 and just higher resolutions at cost of lot of money.Lets leave it at that.

Sorry man, but no. Going by that logic there should not be better and worse looking games. The hardware is so familiar that every single game should look as good as...say, The Witcher 3. And how do you explain the fact that games get updates to improve the visuals and performance? That's called optimization.

It has as much to do with game engines, dev talent, etc as it has with the hardware. Fallout 4, for example, while i think it looks good, it's using a decade old engine. I can guarantee that the next Bethesda RPG will look, and probably perform, better.

lol somebody lock this idiotic shit show

@nyadc: i have a r9 290x and at high/ultra(equal to ps4) it does 25 fps with hairworks and 35-40 fps without at 1080p same as a ps4.

and should I show batman arkham knight and toukiden kiwami or one piece pirate warriors where ps4 version looks better than even highest pc one? And a game that looks better than killzone sf on a pc?

"lol somebody lock this idiotic shit show"

looks like someone cant take facts.

No it doesn't, I have two 290X's, I know exactly what this game operates at and can destroy your nonsense at will, hell, I already did. Also if you think the Witcher 3 on consoles is running at high/ultra you're smoking some wild shit.

stop brutalizing cows identity. leave me and my cows alone

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LOL this has been a brilliant read, Someone post it on reddit already!

This is almost as good as the all the Cows' "PS3 supercomputer" threads years ago.

Battlefield 4: 900p

Battlefield Hardline: 900p

Battlefront: 900p

Where is the optimization?

Meanwhile a Two-year old i3 + 750Ti is still beating consoles.

consolites at launch: bu..bu.. PS4 will beat 750Ti with optimization! 750Ti will last just a year!

after two years: bu..bu.. PS4 will beat 750Ti with optimization!750Ti will last just a year more!

close to the end of console gen: BU..BU.. consoles have been around for 5 years due to teh optimization! show me a PC from 2013 that still runs games! watch out for next-gen consoles, they will beat your 3000$ paperweight!

Rinse and repeat every gen..

While it is true that PC hardware is superior optimization or not, there's no denying with the right kind of set up you can run games in 4k on Ultra with better effects in multiplats. But, in order for a pc game to fully shine one has to code it specifically to a high end hardware, yet no pc game is coded solely for a gtx 780 therefore the power is not utilized to the max and it never will for gen 8. Devs this gen will be shackled by Xbone's gpu capability as the lowest common denominator, thus at most PC games are XBone games uprezzed with a few Nvidia works. PS4 exclusives are more impressive currently due more budget, talented devs and the ability to code to the metal. The Order, UC4, Detroit and Horizon are the best looking currently shown, Battlefront at 4k is up there too. But we haven't seen the best of PS4 yet, check back from PSX this year with the unveiling of God of War 4 then we can really get things going;).

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To be fair KZSF and Battlefront both share the crown as best looking first person shooter and shine in their respective way. Shadow fall has better lighting such as true volumetric lighting, area lights and volumetric shadow, also much better animation. Battlefront has better tessellation and photogrammatry, both game has good particle effect, dense geometry, high res textures, high poly assets and excellent shaders. But KZ having a campaign looks ever so more impressive due to well choreographed set pieces.

That said neither stand up to The Order's batshit insane CGI esque look.

He's lying, I have a 280 and it runs the witcher 3 at higher specs than he listed, 1080p ultra with hairworks on I average between 45 and 50 fps, if I overclock to 1095/1350 I get top out in the mid to high 50's.

I don't understand how anyone can expect an APU to outclass a standalone gpu,

I would like for @vickysaiyajin to post a pic or vid of the Witcher 3 running at 25 fps on his 290, along with cpu z info, I doubt we'll get it though because he's lying. Crysis, Star Citizen, MGS, and Battlefront are a few games that have better graphics than KZSF, Battlefront on consoles actually looks better than shadowfall.

Firstly the PS4 is about as powerful as a 660 at best. The Xbox, probebly a 650.

However much you optimise the PS4, it's going to struggle against a 950, forget a 980. You do know that a Gtx750Ti and a GTX 950 can play most games on high plus on a single monitor at higher frame rates. So how are PC gamers struggling to run last gen games?

Okay, so you think optimisation will put the PS4 at a 780 level, okay lets see the PS4 run two monitors at 60fps, because right now it's struggling at 30fps. As I said, so far the PS4 has shown itself to struggle to better a 750 Ti, let alone a 950. And DX12 is going to allow PC gamers to get far more out of that hardware.

Console fans don't really get the different purposes of high end cards. Cards higher than 970 are good for other things like multi monitor support at much higher resolutions. No one is getting Titans and using quad sli for single monitor performance, it's a bit of a waste. But those guys will be able to also do 4K etc. Basically with highend cards, the left over resources from the game can be used to improve the gaming experience in many other ways.

The 960 and 970 could have a similar image on a single monitor, but with much more effects, better GPU physics, higher resolution and at least twice the frame rate.

Also, previous DX apis were the bigger issue on the PC rather than 'same spec' optimization. DX12 is an absolute game changer for the PC, probably the biggest there's been in a while. So the idea the the PS4 will have the best graphics or performance the whole gen through is very unlikely, especially on the hardware they provided.

And actually, Windows 10 is really good for gaming, even DX11 game performance has improved.

And yeah sure, same specs, but it's dumb. On the PC it's not easy to willingly pick up a cpu as shit as the console cpu for gaming. The PC has more RAM. The consoles RAM is heavily shared out, it only uses 5 of those 8GBs or something for games and they do have an OS with background processes. Unified RAM architecture isn't better, it just makes sense for consoles, because if you are only going to have X amount of RAM, why not let developers decide how to split it up. That's why MS did that way back on the first Xbox.

And the console do have bottlenecks and the PC can have bottlenecks. The bottlenecks come from having to be made from a limited budget and having to have less power consumption. The obvious one is the slow HDD and then there's the cpu. The cpu might be good at multi-threaded performance, but the single core performance is going to be shit.

As for your analogies. Vehicle analogies are really bad. Everything is designed for a different purpose. A gaming PC and consoles this gen are not.

PC is not a Veyron, and consoles are not an F1 car. For a start, everything around the consoles specs are really cheap and plasticy, where as every single ounce on an F1 car is optimised. Consoles are simply low end PCs.

A lot of what you said is as dumb as lems making out that 'this and that' will make up for the GPU differences between the PS4 and X1. Optimisation can only do so much. And you need to learn exactly how capable graphics cards are and what they're capable of before you comment on them. A highend variant of the 750Ti like the Palet Dual Storm X easily matches the PS4 at 30fps. The 950 is even more capable, a 960 and above will wipe the floor with consoles on a single monitor. You brought two developer opinions, yet there has been multiple tests where a PC with an i3 and a 750Ti has come out on top.

No they don't stop deluding yourself.

As is Windows 10 and DX12.

Care to explain why not?

It's very simple really, there are other FPS games that are better looking than KZ:SF. Battlefield 4 being one, Crysis 3 being another, need i go on?.

That and the concept of "sharing a crown" is silly, there can only be one king and that's not KZ:SF.

Wow, g-puking is really getting frustrated with the lack of 900pSTation game to challenge Crysis 2 from 2011.

The consol has been out for 2 years and still can't beat a 750Ti and Core i3.

I guess the optimizationzz will come next year.

alt confimed, no 2 people could be that stupid

I actually laughed out loud in the office at reading this.

TC is simply wrong, its already proved multiplats are better on PC and the PS4 has reached a level it wont get much higher. Yet these expensive cards that stomp on PS4 will only come down in price as better ones are released.

Well, there was a good amount of stupidity to help with starting the day.