RSX vs Xenos.

How about we dont know. There are no real concrete specs that we can just go look at for either of the cards.Spartan8907

It's been almost 2 years since 360 debuted and no one has any idea about how powerful

Xenos or RSX is?

What the deal?

xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.Mordred19

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.-wii60-

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.ssjgoku808

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

Xenos is better. RSX is good, but it's a generation behind; however, it's not like the Xenos is night and day better, but there's a reason most multiplats look better on the 360.mikasa

My 640MB Geforce 8800GTS is more powerful than both of them. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If I had to guess, I would vote RSX.

i think xenos maybe i don't know and care because ill just stick with my 8800gts

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.mikasa

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Xenos is better. RSX is good, but it's a generation behind; however, it's not like the Xenos is night and day better, but there's a reason most multiplats look better on the 360.ssjgoku808

yeah, right.What about VF5...it was a port from PS3 to 360. Oh wait, I got it. Any port will look better on 360 because xenos > RSX.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.ssjgoku808

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.ssjgoku808

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

Why is it better to have split 256/256mb Ram pools?

Wouldn't that mean only 256mb of Textures can be process by the GPU and splashed on screen at any given time?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.ssjgoku808

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

OMG! You really don't understand do you? I guess you can say it infinite amount of times but it won't make it true. Hint: Loading textures in memory takes...well memory. If you don't have enough you can't load as many textures. Hence the washed out textures on the PS3.

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.Poop_Slash

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

Why is it better to have split 256/256mb Ram pools?

Wouldn't that mean only 256mb of Textures can be process by the GPU and splashed on screen at any given time?

Yes, don't listen to the misguided poster saying 256 > 512.

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.mikasa

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

OMG! You really don't understand do you? I guess you can say it infinite amount of times but it won't make it true. Hint: Loading textures in memory takes...well memory. If you don't have enough you can't load as many textures. Hence the washed out textures on the PS3.

Doesn't the built in HDD take care of the texture problems?

GRAW 2 demo looks better on PS3 then 360. More Dyanamic Shadows.

[QUOTE="Poop_Slash"][QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.mikasa

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

Why is it better to have split 256/256mb Ram pools?

Wouldn't that mean only 256mb of Textures can be process by the GPU and splashed on screen at any given time?

Yes, don't listen to the misguided poster saying 256 > 512.

but doesn't both consoles have 512mb? I hear PS3 GPU can also do textures using the other 256MB of ram including it's own

Doesn't the built in HDD take care of the texture problems?

GRAW 2 demo looks better on PS3 then 360. More Dyanamic Shadows.

Poop_Slash

Tip: Don't quote more than 5 quotes as it will get your post yanked. But no the HDD doesn't take care of texture problems. How would it? You still need to load them into the GPU memory to put it on screen. The HDD would make it load faster, but you can't put 2 gallons of water in a 1 gallon container.

but doesn't both consoles have 512mb? I hear PS3 GPU can also do textures using the other 256MB of ram including it's own Poop_Slash

Yes and no. Technically yes, but it takes a massive performance hit as it has to go through the CPU (or something like that). Also the speed of the memory is different so you have to deal with that issue as well. It's just not clean, but can be done in a pinch.

[QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.ssjgoku808

xenos has more memory.:|

The first most important point on this is that it doesn't matter a 8800GTS is a better card than both of them put together so leave it at that.

However if you insist on comparing the two then I'll bite and give my opinion on the matter. Originally the 10MB EDRAM in the Xenos was original supposedly going to give the xbox 360 4xAA for free and this was downgraded to 2xAA later on so the xenos is not as strong as orginally planned if we go by what microsoft said.

Second any comparison between multiplats is silly at the moment as all multiplats at present were built from the ground up on the xbox 360 so they will all look better on the xbox 360 due to this.

Thirdly despite what lemmings seem to think it is possible for the ps3 to use both pools of ram for graphics, also the cell in the ps3 can be used for graphics rendering to an extent offloading some of the strain from the rsx leaving it free to do other things.

Forthly while graphics make a game look better they don't improve the gameplay, which is why you play the game in the first place unless your the ultimate graphics whore.

Lastly it doesn't matter how good your GPU is, the ability of the game companies are what decides how good a game plays and to a lesser extent looks. Graphics have never decided which console wins a generation so stop acting like it does.

Second any comparison between multiplats is silly at the moment as all multiplats at present were built from the ground up on the xbox 360 so they will all look better on the xbox 360 due to this.

danielsmith2020

Link? I thought VF5 was a PS3 exclusive when it released and was ported to 360? And looks better on the 360. That pretty much debunks that point.

Well debunk my part of saying how the 360 cannot single pool with its memory since one will have 0MB's thought so.ssjgoku808

This is just stupid. 360 can slice the memory however it needs to so that the game works as the devs want it to. They aren't lockd into 256 and 256. They can do 256/256 if they want. Or 128/384 or 384/128. Or whatever they need to make the game work. the game won't work as you say at 0, so why would they want to do that? PS3 can't do it either...so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

Wow i've been debunked for my post which is a fact.ssjgoku808

Lol the ps3s ram can procsess the data so fast it doesnt matter that its only 256mb, shared CANNOT use its full 512...ssjgoku808

Huh? I'm pretty sure that's not how GPUs work. Yes more speed is better but you still need to keep the texture in memory to display it. So if you can move 256MB really fast, you can only move 256MB of graphics memory. What happens to the textures that are no longer in memory?

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"]Well debunk my part of saying how the 360 cannot single pool with its memory since one will have 0MB's thought so.mikasa

This is just stupid. 360 can slice the memory however it needs to so that the game works as the devs want it to. They aren't lockd into 256 and 256. They can do 256/256 if they want. Or 128/384 or 384/128. Or whatever they need to make the game work. the game won't work as you say at 0, so why would they want to do that? PS3 can't do it either...so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

The rsx's 256mb of video memory is over 2x faster than the 512mb so it's a wash. The xenos does have free 2x AA so it's more efficient giving a slight edge to the xenos.

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"]Lol the ps3s ram can procsess the data so fast it doesnt matter that its only 256mb, shared CANNOT use its full 512...mikasa

Huh? I'm pretty sure that's not how GPUs work. Yes more speed is better but you still need to keep the texture in memory to display it. So if you can move 256MB really fast, you can only move 256MB of graphics memory. What happens to the textures that are no longer in memory?

Xenos is better. RSX is good, but it's a generation behind; however, it's not like the Xenos is night and day better, but there's a reason most multiplats look better on the 360.mikasa

If the RSX is a generation behind then the Cell must be Bad @$$ to help some multiplate games look better. Elder scrolls, GRAW2. Lair, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted. Hmm, or maybe its only slightly better then the RSX.

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"][QUOTE="-wii60-"][QUOTE="Mordred19"]xenos by just a little bit. the RSX was not rushed or last minute, though.mikasa

You're kidding right? Xenos has 10mb edram that allows for "free" AA. Plus it can pull from 512mb of memory in a single pool. PS3 is the one with memory issues; hence the flat textures.

There is no way you are going to get 512 worth visuals. Unles sits a cutscene and the 360 backup programs are turned off which aren't. At most I belie

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[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"]Well debunk my part of saying how the 360 cannot single pool with its memory since one will have 0MB's thought so.ChiChiMonKilla

This is just stupid. 360 can slice the memory however it needs to so that the game works as the devs want it to. They aren't lockd into 256 and 256. They can do 256/256 if they want. Or 128/384 or 384/128. Or whatever they need to make the game work. the game won't work as you say at 0, so why would they want to do that? PS3 can't do it either...so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

The rsx's 256mb of video memory is over 2x faster than the 512mb so it's a wash. The xenos does have free 2x AA so it's more efficient giving a slight edge to the xenos.

Its a 128bit vs. 256bit memory, you have to take into account that.

How bout you explain to the class what a tessellator unit is.

I wish I could find the thread a guy made a couple months ago about 360 vs PS3, it was near perfect in its explanation. But basically he said

PS3 would have better graphics when it came to games that required more physics processing, because the CPU is better for that so the system is under less stress (simulator like GT5). The 360 would be superior in graphics in games where physics werent top priority because its GPU is more powerful (FPS, RPG's and stuff)

10mb of emedded EDRAM, unified shaders, and flexible memory pools give it definite edge, but calling Xenos a "generation ahead" of the RSX is pretty big-headed. Seriously, the differnece in polygon counts and texture fillrates is nearly indistiguishable. You can only tell the diffrenece on paper. It's just a bit better, not a whole generation better.Mordred19

You should have put tessellator unit THEN 10mb of eDRAM. But your right its not a whole generation better, yet.

Lol the ps3s ram can procsess the data so fast it doesnt matter that its only 256mb, shared CANNOT use its full 512...ssjgoku808

10mb of emedded EDRAM, unified shaders, and flexible memory pools give it definite edge, but calling Xenos a "generation ahead" of the RSX is pretty big-headed. Seriously, the differnece in polygon counts and texture fillrates is nearly indistiguishable. You can only tell the diffrenece on paper. It's just a bit better, not a whole generation better.Mordred19

You put it perfectly.

Everybody should know that the Xenos > the RSX. The RSX has more raw power, but the Xenos is more efficant making up the loss in power. Wasdie

But where is the tessellator unit incorperated into your thinking?

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Everybody should know that the Xenos > the RSX. The RSX has more raw power, but the Xenos is more efficant making up the loss in power. MrGrimFandango

Does the xenos have a tessellator unit? I understand what it does, but in teh past never heard it mentioned with the xenos. If it does that makes it even that much better.

But where is the tessellator unit incorperated into your thinking?

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="ssjgoku808"]Lol the ps3s ram can procsess the data so fast it doesnt matter that its only 256mb, shared CANNOT use its full 512...ssjgoku808

Huh? I'm pretty sure that's not how GPUs work. Yes more speed is better but you still need to keep the texture in memory to display it. So if you can move 256MB really fast, you can only move 256MB of graphics memory. What happens to the textures that are no longer in memory?

So, what's wrong with that. Do all games have big maps? What about the inverse what if you want a huge map more than 256MB can handle? What then? 360 no problem. Just slice and dice as needed.

[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Everybody should know that the Xenos > the RSX. The RSX has more raw power, but the Xenos is more efficant making up the loss in power. mikasa

Does the xenos have a tessellator unit? I understand what it does, but in teh past never heard it mentioned with the xenos. If it does that makes it even that much better.

But where is the tessellator unit incorperated into your thinking?

I think u missed the quotes, but yes it does have a tessellator unit..but only one game used it but coincidentally its the best looking game out right now, graphically. Viva Pinata that is.