RSX vs Xenos.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Just because it can technically do it, doesn't mean it's efficient or good. The tradeoffs on doing it with the PS3 often out weigh the benefits, so the devs will just go with the crappy textures instead.

mikasa

do the math you'll see they are way off by up to 57% in some cases.

[QUOTE="snyper1982"]

Do you have a link backing that up? I know the cell can read from the GDDR3, but I have never heard that the RSX can read from xdr. Not saying I don't believe you, but.....

Teufelhuhn

There is nearly a 50% reduction in writing, and a 30% reduction in read speeds... Unless I am reading that wrong.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

Just because it can technically do it, doesn't mean it's efficient or good. The tradeoffs on doing it with the PS3 often out weigh the benefits, so the devs will just go with the crappy textures instead.

Teufelhuhn

do the math you'll see they are way off by up to 57% in some cases.

So the memory in the PS3 never needs to be written to? Wow, the cell really is powerful it if can magically write GPU data to memory instantly and no matter how big. Amazing stuff there.

They didn't use it. Are you saying they did...if so link please and then I'll take the knowledge and apply it, but as it stands right now...it doesn't.

mikasa

You are completely oblivious to my point. LOL. I didn't mean to say that they did or didn't use it. I meant that you act like them using it would have dramatically improved performance. Which if they didn't I would say points to the opposite being true....

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

do the math you'll see they are way off by up to 57% in some cases.

mikasa

So the memory in the PS3 never needs to be written to? Wow, the cell really is powerful it if can magically write GPU data to memory.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Like I've already said...you're not stuck with 256/256 with PS3. RSX can read from the XDR memory, meaning you can allocate that for texture memory too.
mikasa

Just because it can technically do it, doesn't mean it's efficient or good. The tradeoffs on doing it with the PS3 often out weigh the benefits, so the devs will just go with the crappy textures instead.

but the whole of the 360's 512mb is relatively slow and inefficient, as opposed to the quickness of dedicated RAM. it takes no more effort to have some RAM allocated from a seperate source and combine that with a pool of dedicated RAM, then it takes to program games with the shared RAM. just some simple programming, and they're even.

Well do a little google search and you'll see the PS3 isn't so efficient at doing that...and devs are complaining about it.

using dedicated pools of RAM is not some new, alien technique.It's no better than the 360, and no worse. It's just a different method, with the potential of equal results.How many of those complaints arerecent or up to date with the current news of PS3 technical support for third-parties?I'd worry more about the Cell (seeing as the issue has already been resolved, we don't need to discuss that anymore).

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

They didn't use it. Are you saying they did...if so link please and then I'll take the knowledge and apply it, but as it stands right now...it doesn't.

snyper1982

You are completely oblivious to my point. LOL. I didn't mean to say that they did or didn't use it. I meant that you act like them using it would have dramatically improved performance. Which if they didn't I would say points to the opposite being true....

But that' sbecause you missed my point. I was making fun of cow logic saying PS3 is the king, but we won't see that til devs tap the hidden powah. Well now the 360 has a hidden powah in the GPU, so I was pointing out the flawed cow logic. Until we see it...it ain't proof. and so far no PS3 games look like they couldn't run on teh 360. So i think you misunderstood my overtop assertion to prove faulty cow logic.

Assuming the tessallator unit can live up to the promises I do think games like Gears would benefit tremendously from it, but that is if it doesn't cost too much in other areas and cause a bottleneck in other vital areas.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Mordred19"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

Like I've already said...you're not stuck with 256/256 with PS3. RSX can read from the XDR memory, meaning you can allocate that for texture memory too.
Mordred19

Just because it can technically do it, doesn't mean it's efficient or good. The tradeoffs on doing it with the PS3 often out weigh the benefits, so the devs will just go with the crappy textures instead.

but the whole of the 360's 512mb is relatively slow and inefficient, as opposed to the quickness of dedicated RAM. it takes no more effort to have some RAM allocated from a seperate source and combine that with a pool of dedicated RAM, then it takes to program games with the shared RAM. just some simple programming, and they're even.

Well do a little google search and you'll see the PS3 isn't so efficient at doing that...and devs are complaining about it.

using dedicated pools of RAM is not some new, alien technique.It's no better than the 360, and no worse. It's just a different method, with the potential of equal results.How many of those complaints arerecent or up to date with the current news of PS3 technical support for third-parties?I'd worry more about the Cell (seeing as the issue has already been resolved, we don't need to discuss that anymore).

It's worse.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

do the math you'll see they are way off by up to 57% in some cases.

Teufelhuhn

So the memory in the PS3 never needs to be written to? Wow, the cell really is powerful it if can magically write GPU data to memory.

How does the data get to memory?

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

You're comparing measured values to theoretical values.

For the bandwidth that matters, the read bandwidth, there's only a 10% difference in the theoretical values.
mikasa

So the memory in the PS3 never needs to be written to? Wow, the cell really is powerful it if can magically write GPU data to memory.

How does the data get to memory?

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

You're comparing measured values to theoretical values.

For the bandwidth that matters, the read bandwidth, there's only a 10% difference in the theoretical values.
Teufelhuhn

So the memory in the PS3 never needs to be written to? Wow, the cell really is powerful it if can magically write GPU data to memory.

How does the data get to memory?

that doesn't sound complicated for devs to manage at all /sarcasm.

Oviously RSX is more powerful.

That's why first gen PS3 games look way better than second gen Xbox360 games.

And Rockstar is choosing PS3 to make their next big franchise because the Xbox360's GPU is not powerful enough to handle their next gen vision.

Oviously RSX is more powerful.

That's why first gen PS3 games look way better than second gen Xbox360 games.

And Rockstar is choosing PS3 to make their next big franchise because the Xbox360's GPU is not powerful enough to handle their next gen vision.

SomethingNew21

looks at gears. Then notices your fanboy goggles and shakes head.

[QUOTE="SomethingNew21"]

Oviously RSX is more powerful.

That's why first gen PS3 games look way better than second gen Xbox360 games.

And Rockstar is choosing PS3 to make their next big franchise because the Xbox360's GPU is not powerful enough to handle their next gen vision.

mikasa

looks at gears. Then notices your fanboy goggles and shakes head.

It took Xbox 360 1 year to pump out a game like gears.

While PS3 had a launch game that resemble it in graphics. I said resemble not exactly

Resistence.

40 Player online matches with good graphics vs 8 -player Online matches with good graphics.

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

using dedicated pools of RAM is not some new, alien technique.It's no better than the 360, and no worse. It's just a different method, with the potential of equal results.How many of those complaints are recent or up to date with the current news of PS3 technical support for third-parties?I'd worry more about the Cell (seeing as the issue has already been resolved, we don't need to discuss that anymore).

mikasa

It's worse.

sorry but I am not telepathic, can you explain your reasoning? are you reallygoing to settle for a two-word rebuttal against my assertation that both systems' RAM configurations are equal?

Oviously RSX is more powerful.

That's why first gen PS3 games look way better than second gen Xbox360 games.

And Rockstar is choosing PS3 to make their next big franchise because the Xbox360's GPU is not powerful enough to handle their next gen vision.

SomethingNew21

Gears of WAr still looks better than any released PS3 game

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="SomethingNew21"]

Oviously RSX is more powerful.

That's why first gen PS3 games look way better than second gen Xbox360 games.

And Rockstar is choosing PS3 to make their next big franchise because the Xbox360's GPU is not powerful enough to handle their next gen vision.

Poop_Slash

looks at gears. Then notices your fanboy goggles and shakes head.

It took Xbox 360 1 year to pump out a game like gears.

While PS3 had a launch game that resemble it in graphics. I said resemble not exactly

Resistence.

40 Player online matches with good graphics vs 8 -player Online matches with good graphics.

You are joking right?

I hate these xbox fanboys here preaching about how xenos is better that RSX. COME ON! Xenos is two years older than RSX and two years is an eternity in this bisnes. Ps3 is also more expensive and you STILL think that xenos is more powerful?? Nice...Pepsodentalspy

lol, Wow.

http://forum.pcvsconsole.com/viewthread.php?tid=19237

I think everyone noes the Xenos is better, but only slightly._Fabrick_

No, its a little more than "slightly".

Xenos is better

I hate these xbox fanboys here preaching about how xenos is better that RSX. COME ON! Xenos is two years older than RSX and two years is an eternity in this bisnes. Ps3 is also more expensive and you STILL think that xenos is more powerful?? Nice...Pepsodentalspy

RSX is better.

Xenos is better

Frank2368

You're about 2 years late jumping in on the conversation, bro.

4890stereointegrity

topic should include the cpu cause they work together

It doesnt really matter cuz it seems like PS3 is indeed more powerful afterall...

All i know is what my eyes tell me and that is for multiplats 360 usually is king except for burnout and GRAW 2, however i haven't seen the 360 output anything similar to killzone 2 and Uncharted 2, so i would say RSX is better then Xenos

All I have to say is Uncharted 2.

*looks at calender* is it 2006?

topgunmv

*looks at calender* is it 2006?

topgunmv

Your holding it upside down.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

*looks at calender* is it 2006?

dream431ca

Your holding it upside down.

I thought Xenos was the proc...

EDIT: the proc is called xenon...:lol:

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

*looks at calender* is it 2006?

stereointegrity

Your holding it upside down.

??? OH, your flipping it horizontally. LOL I meant the other way ;)

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

Your holding it upside down.

dream431ca

??? OH, your flipping it horizontally. LOL I meant the other way ;)

5009?

Xenos is more powerful, not a hell of a lot more thought.

Beside, a lot of the graphic post processing is handled through the cell.

Resolved a long time ago, Ps3-console graphics king.

Resolved a long time ago, Ps3-console graphics king.

caribo2222

[QUOTE="caribo2222"]

Resolved a long time ago, Ps3-console graphics king.

mayceV

stop the what if story..

we are talking facts here killzone 2 + uncharted 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> xbox360 library

you forgot that the ps3 also keeps improving so once xbox360 will comr close to uncharted 2 gfx ''which i doubt'' ps3 will have another game that will blow xbox360 away.

and not to mention xbox360 is way easier to develop for and 1 year headstart..

and this xenos vs rsx is bs talk because cell+rsx works together in harmony it seems like some of you think that games are only built on a gpu..

and ps3 ram is 2x faster its using xdr