Rise of the Tomb Raider is (timed) Xbox Exclusive

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#201 Animal-Mother
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@FoxbatAlpha said:

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Cows losing their mind over a big exclusive. Get used to it. More are coming on THE ONE.

What by strong arming money into a situation where the game won't sell nearly as much?

Look at the sales numbers....

Who gives a shit about numbers. To get exclusivity, those are calculated and compensated for. The more important part that you cant overlook or water down is that IT IS EXCLUSIVE. This benefits Xbox gamers. The numbers benefit people who develop and publish it and like I said was already taken into account when the deal is done.

Xbox wants more gamers and this is one of the ways to do it.

Youre right it is one of the ways to do it.

But this isn't good for business when you can throw money at a developer, have the dev not even get close to the sales numbers they need and get a sequel greenlit. Especially if square internally has to question it.

Also it's not good for MS start artificially padding out the sales numbers that could've been had for developers, is it?

I cant see MS doing this all generation. I can see them really emphasizing this practice in the next 2 years to really create awareness and pull people over to the Xbox One. They stated at launch that they want you to feel like you have to own a Xbox One. This is one trick to do it.

Ya but look at this year..... Titanfall was THE reason to own an xbox one..... Now the lowered price is the reason to own one.

While tomb raider is a very hefty franchise that's regaining traction in the modern world the overall question is will this really move units like they need too?

Luckily I get to play it. Unfortunately however with Ryse and DR going over to PC now. I can't help but at least seeing this making a PC jump like most other XB1 games.

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i can't wait to see the uncharted 4 vs tomb raider threads later.

Its basically Naughty Dog vs Crystal Dynamics now.

And we both know how this gona go down.

Tomb Raider had better gameplay than uncharted imo but i just didn't bother to finish it. the story and characters, the soundtrack too didn't help. i think UC as a complete package is better than tomb raider.

We know graphics will go to UC, gameplay will have to wait. we'll see how ND does with a new controller and a new consle, and if they learned anything from UC3 and Last of us and if they are going to do something new for the gameplay. sure hope to see something new at gamescom and something new other than more setpieces.

I really hope that is the case because i've always enjoyed the story and cinematic nature of UC but the gameplay has always let me down.

Well the creative director of UC now works for Crystal Dynamics so I expect this TR to be a lot more like UC series from PS3.

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#203 Daious
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So its coming to xbox360 and xboxone. If the spokesman at e3 is right, then it will be similar to what ground zeros is while the main game is Lara Croft and the Temple of Osiris.

Still pretty neat.

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#204 Shewgenja
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MCC for PC? Yeah, Day One get.

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#205  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@Shewgenja: What?

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#206 padaporra
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Wait, it will come for the 360 too? That's even more terrible.

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@shawn30 said:

Great move by MS. Dev really showed their skills with the first TR. Enjoying the meltdowns here and at Songaf as usual. This is a business guys, and no one plays fair. Its a nice excluisve, and as always, funny how anyone overestimates the PS4's install base in year one and underestimates MS money vault. This was a smart pick up by a very good dev and it will be damn polished as they only have one console to worry about. They are likely getting much needed money up front. Enough to maybe support the game after this one. Win, win all the way around.

How on earth was this a smart move on the developers behalf when they were moaning about the last game underselling?

It only benefits Microsoft.

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@TheGuardian03 said:

@tonitorsi said:

@TheGuardian03 said:

i can't wait to see the uncharted 4 vs tomb raider threads later.

Its basically Naughty Dog vs Crystal Dynamics now.

And we both know how this gona go down.

Tomb Raider had better gameplay than uncharted imo but i just didn't bother to finish it. the story and characters, the soundtrack too didn't help. i think UC as a complete package is better than tomb raider.

We know graphics will go to UC, gameplay will have to wait. we'll see how ND does with a new controller and a new consle, and if they learned anything from UC3 and Last of us and if they are going to do something new for the gameplay. sure hope to see something new at gamescom and something new other than more setpieces.

I've seen a great deal of people stating Tomb Raider has the better gameplay and more open maps. At least when being differentiated from UC3. And I can vouch for that because it wouldn't take that much to usurp UC3 in this aspect, I think ND A-team lost their sense of direction structuring gameplay elements together for UC3. The whole thing felt uneven. The QTE sequences were god-tier though. This is an area ND pretty much dons at this point.

Graphics unmistakably will go to UC series. UC3 looked nuts on (500mb ram) PS3.

As for UC4, ND stated they were going to implement gameplay aspects from TLOU to UC4. This gets me royally stoked since Druckman and Bruce knows how to pretty much realize this flawlessly. TLOU was a palpable testament of that.

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Wait, it will come for the 360 too? That's even more terrible.

Yeah, it makes me skeptical. I thought they were gonna leave last gen consoles to fully realize a next gen Tomb Raider.

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#212  Edited By pelvist
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I fukn love this gif it always makes me smile. Anyone know what its from? What are they reacting to?

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@tonitorsi: Well, to be fair, Uncharted 3 had the 'B Team' working on it. The A team, that gave us the glorious Uncharted 2? They were working on The Last of Us, and now Uncharted 4. I fully expect Uncharted 4 to be as balls to the walls amazing as Uncharted 2 was.

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@biggest_loser said:

@shawn30 said:

Great move by MS. Dev really showed their skills with the first TR. Enjoying the meltdowns here and at Songaf as usual. This is a business guys, and no one plays fair. Its a nice excluisve, and as always, funny how anyone overestimates the PS4's install base in year one and underestimates MS money vault. This was a smart pick up by a very good dev and it will be damn polished as they only have one console to worry about. They are likely getting much needed money up front. Enough to maybe support the game after this one. Win, win all the way around.

How on earth was this a smart move on the developers behalf when they were moaning about the last game underselling?

It only benefits Microsoft.

MS had to likely pay them upfront for the estimates of what it would cost them to lose the sales of competing platforms. This money likely helped with the dev of the game, and may fund future endeavors. They don't lose money by having it on one console as they have already been compensated, can craft a great game as they have only one system to dev for, and have the cash to make more games. It is a complete win for the dev. This is a business no matter how you cut it.

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@charizard1605 said:

@Shewgenja: What?

Lan support like a boss.

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#216  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@biggest_loser said:

@shawn30 said:

Great move by MS. Dev really showed their skills with the first TR. Enjoying the meltdowns here and at Songaf as usual. This is a business guys, and no one plays fair. Its a nice excluisve, and as always, funny how anyone overestimates the PS4's install base in year one and underestimates MS money vault. This was a smart pick up by a very good dev and it will be damn polished as they only have one console to worry about. They are likely getting much needed money up front. Enough to maybe support the game after this one. Win, win all the way around.

How on earth was this a smart move on the developers behalf when they were moaning about the last game underselling?

It only benefits Microsoft.

Right. Seems like the devs are shooting themselves in the foot. Unless MS is paying entire cost of production plus lost sales from exclusivity. Also seems to be limiting the ability to attract new gamers. I'm scratching my head at the devs/pubs if this is true and not just a holiday 2015 exclusive....which seems more likely really.

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@Shewgenja said:

@charizard1605 said:

@Shewgenja: What?

Lan support like a boss.

But that doesn't mean it's coming to PC lol.

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#218 ninfando1989
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You can still perorder the PS4 Version

Here and Here

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@pelvist said:

I fukn love this gif it always makes me smile. Anyone know what its from? What are they reacting to?

From the Real World Challenge somethin' somethin'.

'Think that's the generally accepted reaction when members get sent home on that loco show :p

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#220 rrjim1
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It was still cheaper to do this instead of setting up a new company to design a brand new game like this. I'd say it was a win, win for both.

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#221  Edited By Bread_or_Decide
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Microsoft now has it's own exclusive "uncharted" franchise.

Damn between this and Scalebound I may get an X1 when they're released. (And the exclusive SUDA51 PS4 all but guarantees I buy that one eventually.)

And then we have two exclusive platinum games on Wii U. All my fav devs sure are spread out this gen. Better start saving now.

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@ninfando1989: They should probably update the listings...

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@Shewgenja said:

@charizard1605 said:

@Shewgenja: What?

Lan support like a boss.

Xbox 360 had Lan support for all Halo games. This does not mean Master Chief will return to PC.

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Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

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@charizard1605:

http://news.xbox.com/2014/08/gamescom-xbox-one-gamescom-press-release

Microsoft studios is removed...

At most timed. So the link is valid !

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@ninfando1989 said:

@charizard1605:

http://news.xbox.com/2014/08/gamescom-xbox-one-gamescom-press-release

Microsoft studios is removed...

At most timed. So the link is valid !

It can be exclusive without Microsoft publishing it.

See also: MGS4 is PS3 exclusive without Sony publishing it.

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@charizard1605 said:

@ninfando1989 said:

@charizard1605:

http://news.xbox.com/2014/08/gamescom-xbox-one-gamescom-press-release

Microsoft studios is removed...

At most timed. So the link is valid !

It can be exclusive without Microsoft publishing it.

See also: MGS4 is PS3 exclusive without Sony publishing it.

Timed exclusive is still a sort of exclusive.

We can be both right here.

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@ninfando1989 said:

@charizard1605 said:

@ninfando1989 said:

@charizard1605:

http://news.xbox.com/2014/08/gamescom-xbox-one-gamescom-press-release

Microsoft studios is removed...

At most timed. So the link is valid !

It can be exclusive without Microsoft publishing it.

See also: MGS4 is PS3 exclusive without Sony publishing it.

Timed exclusive is still a sort of exclusive.

We can be both right here.

Timed exclusive is a marketing term. It really isn't an exclusive.

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@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

Assuming no players move to Xbox./

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A risky move all around. It makes me not want to buy the next Tomb Raider, as opposed to making me want an XBOX ONE.

Announcing a multi platform game series as going exclusive after 18 years is bad enough, but to do it after releasing a game that works best with a mouse and requires a lot of horsepower, is just baffling.

That said, game developers and publishers aren't the most honest people in the world, and Microsoft has a real problem keeping games exclusive.

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@ninfando1989: Maybe. As stated before, I expect it to come to PC eventually.

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#235  Edited By Sollet
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@charizard1605 said:

It can be exclusive without Microsoft publishing it.

See also: MGS4 is PS3 exclusive without Sony publishing it.

Yeah because MS is notorious for keeping exclusives. lol.

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Typical MS move. They have no talent of their own so they have to throw truckloads of money at 3rd party studios to get some. This is an act of desperation.

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#237  Edited By deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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@Sollet said:

Yeah because MS is notorious for keeping exclusives. lol.

@charizard1605 said:

Maybe. As stated before, I expect it to come to PC eventually.

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@walloftruth said:

@delta3074 said:

@walloftruth said:

@charizard1605 said:

@walloftruth said:

Lol what a joke, the series was born on PlayStation.

The series was in fact born on the Sega Saturn.

How so? The first game was also on PS1 and PC and as far as I know (as Wikipedia just told me) the game released at the same time on all three platforms.

so it wasn't born on the playstation was it?

No that's not correct, it was born on the Sega Saturn.

THANK YOU !

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@TigerSuperman said:

@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

Assuming no players move to Xbox./

Not in any high percentage....and if you were a business....would you count on that?

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@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

This is coming out Holiday 2015. You really expect zero Xbox One's to be sold between now and then?

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#241  Edited By shawn30
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@Shewgenja said:

MCC for PC? Yeah, Day One get.

Yeah, I get the feeling MS will give a number of exclusives to PC a year after they debut on Xbox One. No issues for me if that turns out to be the case :)

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony has already or is attempting to do the same thing with No Man's Sky. There are certain games or devs you want in your portfolio. I like this move by MS.

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#243  Edited By pelvist
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@tonitorsi: Thanks jolly old chap.

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@BPoole96 said:

Typical MS move. They have no talent of their own so they have to throw truckloads of money at 3rd party studios to get some. This is an act of desperation.

Just like Sony having ND, clearly no talent.

The butthurt can stop now

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@Zero5000X said:

@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

This is coming out Holiday 2015. You really expect zero Xbox One's to be sold between now and then?

His point would still stand, because there would be more PS4+PC+Xbox One at that point in time than there would be Xbox One.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

@TigerSuperman said:

@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

Assuming no players move to Xbox./

Not in any high percentage....and if you were a business....would you count on that?

Are you saying that's NOT why they did it when they clearly did?

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#247  Edited By Snugenz
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@Shewgenja said:

MCC for PC? Yeah, Day One get.

@Shewgenja said:

@charizard1605 said:

@Shewgenja: What?

Lan support like a boss.

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#248  Edited By TigerSuperman
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@Gue1 said:

@walloftruth said:
@charizard1605 said:

@7mdma said:

That sucks... TR was a great game on my PC.

At least Sony builds their own exclusives instead of taking away games already touted for other platforms.

Oh, well I'm guessing timed exclusive +- 6 months and console exclusive.

Yo, Sony stole plenty of exclusives back in the day. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Shin Megami Tensei, ring a bell?

Did Sony actually "steal" them though?

nope. Nintendo just drove them away by themselves just like they did with 3rd party support ever since the N64 days. That's the Nintendo way post Snes.

Nintendo drove third parties away after the NES actually. It took awhile for other devs to move to other companies.

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@Zero5000X said:

@Wasdie said:

Microsoft would have had to pay quite a bit for that. Square just reduced the potential market from 30-50 million (PC, PS4, Xbox One numbers combined) to, at this moment, roughly 5 million.

Smart business decision for Square.

This is coming out Holiday 2015. You really expect zero Xbox One's to be sold between now and then?

And no more PC gamers or PS4 gamers? Xbox One isn't going to gloriously jump ahead of those two in the 2015 holiday season.

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#250  Edited By tonitorsi
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@charizard1605 said:

@tonitorsi: Well, to be fair, Uncharted 3 had the 'B Team' working on it. The A team, that gave us the glorious Uncharted 2? They were working on The Last of Us, and now Uncharted 4. I fully expect Uncharted 4 to be as balls to the walls amazing as Uncharted 2 was.

I always get the 2 confused man lol.

But UC3 had Amy & Christophe Balestra directing it when ND (supposedly) broke off in teams of 2. I believe their talents were more systematic when they were working together as 1 team, but UC3 wasn't that bad.

And yes UC4 is going to **** with our minds lol. My only wish is for them to open up the game more. UC4 could be something special with a free-roam aspects.

I was always a firm believer on that.