Metroid Prime 4

Well, have you seen the true ending?charizard1605

I never really asked for Samus to have new personality. The only real change in direction I advocated was that I wanted the games to be darker, adopt a more standard control setup without the archaic lock-on, and possibly go for an M rating. I loved the fact that they kept the gameplay exploration-based though, and I loved that they kept Samus's characterization fairly minimalist. I think you are probably thinking of statements I've made previously about the Zelda franchise, and even in those I have not really pushed much for Link to talk either (even though I do fully support giving voice acting to the NPCs).

Timstuff

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]There will be no metroid prime 4 since the MP trilogy ended. And Other M was awesome, the hate is not justified. Nothing wrong for it being newcharizard1605

No way, charizard. That spot in the timeline is reserved for the fabled Metroid Dread.

Or perhaps Another M... ;)

And even though I think Zero Mission is an alright game, why the F did Sakamoto think that Metroid 1 needed to be remade for the GBA? Super Metroid was already largely a remake of Metroid 1, and it's a much better game than Zero Mission so I don't get why they didn't just port it to the GBA. Some people have actually speculated that Sakamoto wanted "his" version of Metroid 1 to be "canon," and that's why he remade it even though it was unneccesary. I honestly don't know what he was thinking, but at any rate he missed a good opportunity to re-release one of the SNES's classics on a system it would have made for, and instead released a very redundant game that no-one was really asking for. Then, he went and made what IMO is the worse Metroid game of all time (Other M), which continued the trend of recycling old ideas (ship that has artificial environments for keeping animals in activity, Samus having a CO who locks and unlocks the doors, etc.) while also introducing some very bad new ones (Samus's Bella Swan-esque personality, the constant unskippable cutscenes, the Ninja Gaiden-on-training-wheels combat, and more).

Sakamoto taking over the Metroid franchise is undoubtedly the worst thing to happen to it since the creator Gunpei Yokoi's tragic death in a car accident in the 1990s (God rest his soul). Just as the franchise's future was in doubt after his departure from Nintendo and untimely death, it's once again in doubt because someone who really has no business being in charge of it is acting like he owns it, and that he has no obligation to either the fans or the men who came before him to treat the franchise with dignity.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Well, have you seen the true ending?foxhound_fox

It leaves scope for some kind of a future story.charizard1605

*Rage-rant*Timstuff

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]It leaves scope for some kind of a future story.foxhound_fox

Doesn't matter. Halo 3 concluded the main story arc for the Halo trilogy, but that didn't stop Microsoft from making a new trilogy, did it? My point is that even the slightest loose end at the end of your 'conclusion' demonstrates and indicates potential intent to return to the series. In Retro's case, maybe Prime 4 will follow directly from Prime 1-3. Or maybe they'll just make new Prime games set after Fusion.charizard1605

What is archaic about lock-on? They are trying to make a first-person action adventure with the Prime games... not shooters. And Samus' Chozo Power Suit is extremely advanced technology, with things that make aiming easier.

Oh please. Mature games don't need to be rated M.

foxhound_fox

It is frustrating to have to adjust back to the tank-like controls and lock on every time I go back to Metroid. Minecraft and Amnesia: The Dark Descent are not shooters either (the latter doesn't even let you use any weapons), but both of them use the standard first person controls simply because that is the best possible setup for a first person game. The reason Metroid Prime's setup exists was because the game had been released when FPS on consoles still hadn't quite caught on, and Miyamoto was afraid that people would have difficulty adapting to a more complex control scheme. We'e past that now, and I think that most of us would be just fine using two analog sticks to play a first person Metroid with no lock on (except for missiles).

I watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic religiously, so I do not need a lecture about this. I think an M-rating is more appropriate for Metroid than a T rating due to the dark subject matter. It was inspired by a series of R-rated science fiction films, and I don't think anyone would try to say that Alien and Aliens would be as good if they were rated PG-13 instead of R. Metroid works as a T-rated game, but most of the fanbase are adults over the age of 18, and I think the franchise won't reach its full potential until Nintendo allows them to do things that would simply be to intense for a T-rated game. Metroid is the one franchise that Nintendo has that would be a good fit for an M-rated game, and if they're willing to give a linear, cutscene-driven Metroid game a try, I think it's only fair that they give a Metroid game aimed squarely at adults a try.

It is frustrating to have to adjust back to the tank-like controls and lock on every time I go back to Metroid. Minecraft and Amnesia: The Dark Descent are not shooters either (the latter doesn't even let you use any weapons), but both of them use the standard first person controls simply because that is the best possible setup for a first person game. The reason Metroid Prime's setup exists was because the game had been released when FPS on consoles still hadn't quite caught on, and Miyamoto was afraid that people would have difficulty adapting to a more complex control scheme. We'e past that now, and I think that most of us would be just fine using two analog sticks to play a first person Metroid with no lock on (except for missiles).

I watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic religiously, so I do not need a lecture about this. I think an M-rating is more appropriate for Metroid than a T rating due to the dark subject matter. It was inspired by a series of R-rated science fiction films, and I don't think anyone would try to say that Alien and Aliens would be as good if they were rated PG-13 instead of R. Metroid works as a T-rated game, but most of the fanbase are adults over the age of 18, and I think the franchise won't reach its full potential until Nintendo allows them to do things that would simply be to intense for a T-rated game. Metroid is the one franchise that Nintendo has that would be a good fit for an M-rated game, and if they're willing to give a linear, cutscene-driven Metroid game a try, I think it's only fair that they give a Metroid game aimed squarely at adults a try.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]*Rage-rant*foxhound_fox

Or, maybe a remake of Metroid 2 since that game is constantly being overlooked!Timstuff

I felt each new entry was worse than the title before it. Leave it alone and do something new retro. Perhaps a true 2d metroid game without first person gimmicks or just the long rumored metroid dread..MFDOOM1983

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]I felt each new entry was worse than the title before it. Leave it alone and do something new retro. Perhaps a true 2d metroid game without first person gimmicks or just the long rumored metroid dread..BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]

It is frustrating to have to adjust back to the tank-like controls and lock on every time I go back to Metroid. Minecraft and Amnesia: The Dark Descent are not shooters either (the latter doesn't even let you use any weapons), but both of them use the standard first person controls simply because that is the best possible setup for a first person game. The reason Metroid Prime's setup exists was because the game had been released when FPS on consoles still hadn't quite caught on, and Miyamoto was afraid that people would have difficulty adapting to a more complex control scheme. We'e past that now, and I think that most of us would be just fine using two analog sticks to play a first person Metroid with no lock on (except for missiles).

I watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic religiously, so I do not need a lecture about this. I think an M-rating is more appropriate for Metroid than a T rating due to the dark subject matter. It was inspired by a series of R-rated science fiction films, and I don't think anyone would try to say that Alien and Aliens would be as good if they were rated PG-13 instead of R. Metroid works as a T-rated game, but most of the fanbase are adults over the age of 18, and I think the franchise won't reach its full potential until Nintendo allows them to do things that would simply be to intense for a T-rated game. Metroid is the one franchise that Nintendo has that would be a good fit for an M-rated game, and if they're willing to give a linear, cutscene-driven Metroid game a try, I think it's only fair that they give a Metroid game aimed squarely at adults a try.

foxhound_fox

These are some of the best games I have ever played, and they are not chock full of the "gratuitous violence, sex, nudity and language" that you claim are the definining attributes of M-rated games. These are simply games that are made for adults, and deal with themes that would not necessarily be appropriate for kids. You seem to have a very innacurate perception obout why people use the M-rating for some games, because you dismissed them entirely while citing Majora's Mask as supposed "proof" that Metroid should not be M-rated (and here's a free protip: why not point to the actual Metroid games?). You instantly jump to the conclusion that for Metroid to have an M-rating it would have to have tacked on gore, sex, and cussing, when that's not the case at all. It would simply be a Metroid game that does not have to pull any punches, and I think that is something that the Metroid fanbase would be quite pleased with.

So you claim that because there are very good games that are not rated M, that means games that are rated M are for immature man-children? Play one of these games:

*games*

These are some of the best games I have ever played, and they are not chock full of the "gratuitous violence, sex, nudity and language" that you claim are the definining attributes of M-rated games. These are simply games that are made for adults, and deal with themes that would not necessarily be appropriate for kids. You seem to have a very innacurate perception obout why people use the M-rating for some games, because you dismissed them entirely while citing Majora's Mask as supposed "proof" that Metroid should not be M-rated (and here's a free protip: why not point to the actual Metroid games?). You instantly jump to the conclusion that for Metroid to have an M-rating it would have to have tacked on gore, sex, and cussing, when that's not the case at all. It would simply be a Metroid game that does not have to pull any punches, and I think that is something that the Metroid fanbase would be quite pleased with.

Timstuff

When has a Metroid gave ever pulled any punches? Everything they've ever wanted to get across in terms of atmosphere and story has been done so without the need for that M rating, and as such appeals to a much wider range of potential customers.

Making an M-rated Metroid game would only please some of the fanbase, but lock out many others that otherwise wouldn't be able to purchase the game.

Charizard... If you value your life and your puppies', don't you e-v-e-r again make a thread making me falsely believe a new Metroid Prime game has been announced .... EVER!:evil:

*game list*Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]*game list*foxhound_fox

Cursed Mountain?! I got Lo0lz'd when i mentioned that game before lol.Dibdibdobdobo

Disappointing hearing that from you Charizard...The Prime games are among my favorite games of all time, but they are done. I would rather let a another talented developer take the series to a new direction, lets let the past go and move on.

[QUOTE="Dibdibdobdobo"]Cursed Mountain?! I got Lo0lz'd when i mentioned that game before lol.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]*game list*foxhound_fox

Half the games you mentioned are not even M-rated, and thus do not have any bearing on the point I was trying to make. Timstuff

My point was that you hastily dismissed all M-rated games as being childish, and I disagreed. You even mentioned a few in your own list, and I can guarantee you those games would not be as good as they were if they had to conform to a T-rating. Many games simply work better when they are not restricted by a T-rating, and I think Metroid is a franchise that would benefit from giving the developers more freedom in what kind of atmosphere they are allowed to create.Timstuff

3DS needs a Metroid game. Like, now. Make it happen, Nintendo.

2D side-scroller, please :D

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Half the games you mentioned are not even M-rated, and thus do not have any bearing on the point I was trying to make. foxhound_fox

My point was that you hastily dismissed all M-rated games as being childish, and I disagreed. You even mentioned a few in your own list, and I can guarantee you those games would not be as good as they were if they had to conform to a T-rating. Many games simply work better when they are not restricted by a T-rating, and I think Metroid is a franchise that would benefit from giving the developers more freedom in what kind of atmosphere they are allowed to create.Timstuff

All I am saying is look back at the Alien movies, which Metroid drew most of its inspiration from. Would those movies be as good if they were PG-13? Most film buffs would say no, because the violence is part of what makes them so intense and atmospheric. Many movies have tried to immitate the Alien movies while using a PG-13 rating to make more money, but all of them lacked the teeth to be as intense or moody as the Alien movie. One movie in the genre that did manage to match the Alien movies for its intensity was The Thing, and whaddyaknow, it was rated R!

The Metroid games have always had a heavy emphasis on isolation, weird creatures, and the exscalating sense of impending danger. If they want to make a Metroid game that truly goes all out in terms of delivering a dark atmosphere full of carnivorous Giger-esque monstrosities (H.R. Giger designed the creature from Alien whose work is cited as the key influence for the original Metroid's creature designs), then it seems pretty natural that the rating would end up being M. When I played Metroid Prime, I did not get the sense of "oh, this is a family friendly game, I'd like to see them add extra tasteless crap to make it M-rated." I felt like "this game feels like it's holding back so that it doesn't get an M-rating." I want a Metroid game that does not hold back, not a Metroid game that has additional "frivolous gore, boobs, and swearing" as you oh-so eloquently put it.

I want to be a bounty hunter that does actual bounty hunter stuff :P

what genre(fps,2d platformer,action adventure...) would you guys like to see Metroid tackle next?

I want to be a bounty hunter that does actual bounty hunter stuff :P

what genre(fps,2d platformer,action adventure...) would you guys like to see Metroid tackle next?

lbjkurono23

Whereas Prime 3 was a bit of a disappointment,

charizard1605

I couldn't disagree more. I love them all (Prime is my ALL TIME favorite game), but I think Corruption was a better experience than Echoes.

However to answer your question HELL YES I'd like a Metroid Prime 4! But I'd also like another Other M-style game. I think that game is fantastic and added so much lore to the universe. Not to mention it feels more like a traditional Metroid game than the Prime ones do. But at the end of the day Metroid is Metroid and I just want more.

Lol i came here expecting Metroid 4 announcement :P.TheGuardian03

As did I. Nice fishing thread

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]Lol i came here expecting Metroid 4 announcement :P.IPWNDU2

As did I. Nice fishing thread

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

I want to be a bounty hunter that does actual bounty hunter stuff :P

what genre(fps,2d platformer,action adventure...) would you guys like to see Metroid tackle next?

Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"]

I want to be a bounty hunter that does actual bounty hunter stuff :P

what genre(fps,2d platformer,action adventure...) would you guys like to see Metroid tackle next?

lbjkurono23

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Go back to first person, I say. They can do new stuff with it so it's not quite a straight sequel to Metroid Prime 3, but I think first person is the best type of game for Metroid since it eliminates the issue of camera control and makes you feel more immersed in the world. They can make the combat a little more FPS-friendly with a more traditional control scheme, but it should still be an adventure game with a heavy emphasis on exploration and discovery.charizard1605

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Go back to first person, I say. They can do new stuff with it so it's not quite a straight sequel to Metroid Prime 3, but I think first person is the best type of game for Metroid since it eliminates the issue of camera control and makes you feel more immersed in the world. They can make the combat a little more FPS-friendly with a more traditional control scheme, but it should still be an adventure game with a heavy emphasis on exploration and discovery.charizard1605

[QUOTE="lbjkurono23"][QUOTE="Timstuff"]Go back to first person, I say. They can do new stuff with it so it's not quite a straight sequel to Metroid Prime 3, but I think first person is the best type of game for Metroid since it eliminates the issue of camera control and makes you feel more immersed in the world. They can make the combat a little more FPS-friendly with a more traditional control scheme, but it should still be an adventure game with a heavy emphasis on exploration and discovery.charizard1605

3DS have bad controls, so that Metroid game would suck

If you don't like the lock-on mechanic you should buy Prime Trilogy and switch the control option to "hard".

You're still locking on to targets in order to side-strafe, because that's the main combat mechanic of the Prime games it's how you dodge, but you still have to aim for yourself with the Wiimote like any Wii FPS.

Playing this way is by far the best control scheme out of any console FPS I've ever experienced.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="lbjkurono23"] I wouldn't oppose to a new fps Metroid, but man would it be nice to have a Metroid adventure game.aroxx_ab

3DS have bad controls, so that Metroid game would suck

Dread is a 2D sidescroller *facepalm*

And 3D Metroid games work perfectly well; Prime only used one analog controller and Hunters works well.

[QUOTE="IPWNDU2"]

[QUOTE="TheGuardian03"]Lol i came here expecting Metroid 4 announcement :P.charizard1605

As did I. Nice fishing thread

No but you knew people would bite if you kept the title so general.

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] A Metroid Dread on the 3DS would be incredible.SuperFlakeman

3DS have bad controls, so that Metroid game would suck

Dread is a 2D sidescroller *facepalm*

And 3D Metroid games work perfectly well; Prime only used one analog controller and Hunters works well.

You know it is more than analog stick that can make controls bad...*facepalm*

As long as Suckamoto has nothing to do with it. :evil:Timstuff

3DS have bad controls, so that Metroid game would suck

aroxx_ab

No but you knew people would bite if you kept the title so general.

IPWNDU2

control input

analog(mover character)

L(bring up weapon) while pressing L (aim with analog or gyro, no stylus because that would us the lower screen with no 3d)

R hold while aiming (super rocket,beams, freezing rocket...)

B (jump, screw attack)

A (morph ball, press b to use bombs)

Y(shoot while aiming)

x(action button)

stylus (adjust camera)

oh please make a 3d adventure metroid :cry:

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

3DS have bad controls, so that Metroid game would suck

aroxx_ab

Dread is a 2D sidescroller *facepalm*

And 3D Metroid games work perfectly well; Prime only used one analog controller and Hunters works well.

You know it is more than analog stick that can make controls bad...*facepalm*

3DS' squeaky D-pad? :P