Leaked (56 page) doc on future XBOX plans? Removed by MS lawyers

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#1 shinrabanshou
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Firmly in the rumor pile, obviously.

Real? Or elaborate fake by someone with way too much time on their hands?

Credit for the find goes to jeff_rigby on gaf.

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Even if real - seems to be circa 2010 - so relatively outdated regardless.

Update: Covington and Burling LLP, a law firm that have previously acted on behalf of Microsoft Corporation requested the removal of the document. This doesn't validate the veracity, however, Occam's razor...

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#2 ShadowDeathX
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Xbox 720 to have an AMD Kaveri APU confirmed.

  • Expected performance matches Kaveri.
  • 64ALU is the GCN GPU inside the Kaveri APU.
  • Memory bus width is the same as what Kaveri supports.


    It is going to be a hexa-core Kaveri APU with a dual core ARM processor.
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#3 ShadowDeathX
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It is going to have x86 and ARM support? 0.o wow interesting.
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#4 famicommander
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Ridiculously fake, ridiculously stupid.
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#6 deactivated-5f2174cc8f575
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4 to 6 times more powerful than the Xbox 360?

Looks like 6x more poweful than the Xbox 360.

My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

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Wehweh power Wehweh
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#7 UCF_Knight
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For 52 pages, it doesn't really have much of anything useful..
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#8 Xboxdroolz
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lol @ people acting like you cant use your pc in the living room. Who the hell games in their living room anyway i game in my bedroom.
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#9 ForzaGearsFace
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wow cool, looks real, shall wait and see, how bout a freaking price drop

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#10 Xboxdroolz
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The only reason i ever gamed in the living room because my parents had bigger tv than me, but they'd end up kicking me out of the room because they want to watch cable tv lol.
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#11 ShadowDeathX
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I like the licensable part. OEMs can make the console with Microsoft permission. Hardware companies will make the hardware while Microsoft sticks with the license and software part.
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#12 ForzaGearsFace
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lot of memory, 4 gigs... is that for the system? or storage

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#13 ShadowDeathX
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A 2010 powerpoint but shows this... "PC/Phone/Slate as companion devices" Smart Glass right there.
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It is going to have x86 and ARM support? 0.o wow interesting.ShadowDeathX
this basically confirms that we wont see the next xbox till 2014 and that it will boast an amd kaveri apu likely with HCF with an hd 8670 mars. 4 gigs ram.. what is this a lightweight modern gaming mahcine or a joke?

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#15 theuncharted34
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My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

ShadowDeathX

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

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#16 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]It is going to have x86 and ARM support? 0.o wow interesting.ionusX

this basically confirms that we wont see the next xbox till 2014 and that it will boast an amd kaveri apu likely with HCF with an hd 8670 mars. 4 gigs ram.. what is this a lightweight modern gaming mahcine or a joke?

If you read, the ARM architecture will be used for media (non-gaming) purposes and maybe Kinect X2. It will have 6 dedicated x86 CPU cores and 3 PowerPC cores for Xbox 360 games.
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#17 Xboxdroolz
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Actually you arent even supposed to put a goddamn tv/entertainment center in a living room, that's made for the DEN. lol but yea that's only reason i ever gamed in the den because they had bigger tv. living room is like a room your mom decorates for herself.
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#18 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

theuncharted34

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.
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#19 ForzaGearsFace
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looks real, what are the specs, and all that can change....

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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]It is going to have x86 and ARM support? 0.o wow interesting.ionusX

this basically confirms that we wont see the next xbox till 2014 and that it will boast an amd kaveri apu likely with HCF with an hd 8670 mars. 4 gigs ram.. what is this a lightweight modern gaming mahcine or a joke?

wow hd 8670??? where did u see that?

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#21 ShadowDeathX
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Also the graphics chip is a 64ALU which mean it is an AMD Southern Islands GPU.
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It actually looks legit some of it may be right.

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#23 ShadowDeathX
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It actually looks legit some of it may be right.

HaloPimp978
It looks really real. A 2010 powerpoint that shows things that were announced at this E3? Ummm....I'm going to say this is really real and at $299, Nintendo is going to have to come up with something. That price point is perfect.
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I call it a fake for one reason. They are calling the next system xbox 720. In these documents they never use the final console name. Their is always some type of code name used.
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

ShadowDeathX

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.

More like 12 and a half times.

How much are they overclocked?

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[QUOTE="HaloPimp978"]

It actually looks legit some of it may be right.

ShadowDeathX

It looks really real. A 2010 powerpoint that shows things that were announced at this E3? Ummm....I'm going to say this is really real and at $299, Nintendo is going to have to come up with something. That price point is perfect.

yep it looks real, just read the whole thing, the always on thing was something they really wanted to do with kinect, basically next gen kinect will be able to turn on just by voice... also the ability to DVR and watch thru hub is very interesting, all looks real, really real. 4 gigs of ram and backward compatability? Sony better have their game on, cause that is gonna be huge selling point.

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#27 pc-ps360
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i have no idea what uu just posted can some1 explain those specs

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#28 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

theuncharted34

7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.

More like 12 and a half times.

How much are they overclocked?

1125 / 1575
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#29 ShadowDeathX
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i have no idea what uu just posted can some1 explain those specs

pc-ps360

Sixtimes more powerful than the Xbox 360. Kinect V2 will get it's own ARM processor. Standby processors will allow media playback at low power consumption.

Xbox 360 PowerPC CPU inbox thus allowing full playback of Xbox 360 games. $299 price point.

All the services that Microsoft has been talking about + MUCH MORE is all in the Xbox 720.

x86 and ARM design allowing developers to easily port their apps and games from PC to Xbox 720 or vice versa and Windows Phone to Xbox 720 and vice versa.

Full HD 1080p game playback and Full 3D experience. Blu-ray.

4GB of RAM. Next Gen UI. Windows part of package.

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#30 ForzaGearsFace
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This is def real, someone is getting fired, thanks SHIROOOOOOOOOOOO

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[QUOTE="Xboxdroolz"]lol @ people acting like you cant use your pc in the living room. Who the hell games in their living room anyway i game in my bedroom.

uhhh are you that wakefulness guy's alt account?
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#32 ForzaGearsFace
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[QUOTE="pc-ps360"]

i have no idea what uu just posted can some1 explain those specs

ShadowDeathX

Sixtimes more powerful than the Xbox 360. Kinect V2 will get it's own ARM processor. Standby processors will allow media playback at low power consumption.

Xbox 360 PowerPC CPU inbox thus allowing full playback of Xbox 360 games. $299 price point.

All the services that Microsoft has been talking about + MUCH MORE is all in the Xbox 720.

x86 and ARM design allowing developers to easily port their apps and games from PC to Xbox 720 or vice versa and Windows Phone to Xbox 720 and vice versa.

Full HD 1080p game playback and Full 3D experience. Blu-ray.

4GB of RAM. Next Gen UI. Windows part of package.

always on tech, which means turn on xbox,,, fully backward compatibility

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#33 theuncharted34
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] 7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.ShadowDeathX

More like 12 and a half times.

How much are they overclocked?

1125 / 1575

30x is not too far off then, those cards sure do overclock well.

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#34 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

More like 12 and a half times.

How much are they overclocked?

theuncharted34

1125 / 1575

30x is not too far off then, those cards sure do overclock well.

I bet I can overclock them more but Overdrive caps them at that. lol
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] 1125 / 1575ShadowDeathX

30x is not too far off then, those cards sure do overclock well.

I bet I can overclock them more but Overdrive caps them at that. lol

so what is your take on the specs??? do u think its good or meh? I respect your opinion... thanks

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I really like that $299 price!
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#37 mitu123
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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

ShadowDeathX

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.

What a huge upgrade from your 460s!
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I really like that $299 price!olart4618

yeah smart, with kinect 2 as well, im thinking the 360 is getting a 199 price point....

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]

My PC is 30x more powerful in GPU. My PC wins.

ShadowDeathX

Your PC has a 3-way GTX 680 SLI?

That's the only way you'd have 30x the GPU power than xbox 360.:P (A bit more, perhaps)

7970 Crossfire OC. 15 times more powerful-ish x2.

Lol it doesnt work that way. 30x faster could do photorealistic graphics
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#40 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

30x is not too far off then, those cards sure do overclock well.

ForzaGearsFace

I bet I can overclock them more but Overdrive caps them at that. lol

so what is your take on the specs??? do u think its good or meh? I respect your opinion... thanks

Well the specs are good for what I want from a new console. It is not going to be a powerhouse and won't be a huge generation leap we saw before in past generations. But I think Microsoft will be very successful in creating a very unique console. They are bring a ton of the best services with a ton of new features (like a more powerful Kinect) and very developer friendly. The console is powerful enough for a new generation and at a $299 price point, it is going to be a killer. The base SKU is $225 and Kinect adds another $50. So I don't see Microsoft making any profit from the hardware sale. They will most likely break even. They will get a ton of $$$ from all the services they will be providing though. These last years of the Xbox 360 have been social beta tests for the new features the Next Xbox will have.
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[QUOTE="ForzaGearsFace"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"] I bet I can overclock them more but Overdrive caps them at that. lolShadowDeathX

so what is your take on the specs??? do u think its good or meh? I respect your opinion... thanks

Well the specs are good for what I want from a new console. It is not going to be a powerhouse and won't be a huge generation leap we saw before in past generations. But I think Microsoft will be very successful in creating a very unique console. They are bring a ton of the best services with a ton of new features (like a more powerful Kinect) and very developer friendly. The console is powerful enough for a new generation and at a $299 price point, it is going to be a killer. The base SKU is $225 and Kinect adds another $50. So I don't see Microsoft making any profit from the hardware sale. They will most likely break even. They will get a ton of $$$ from all the services they will be providing though. These last years of the Xbox 360 have been social beta tests for the new features the Next Xbox will have.

thanks brother great stuff...

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#42 tubbyc
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Sounds good, hope it's real. With 4GB RAM (8 times current gen), plus the part which says DX11 +, I think it would do well with next gen engines. Plus, full support for 3D which could be great.

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B****** about hardware= neeeeeerrrrrrddddsss

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#44 bonesawisready5
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How does that compare to the rumored Tri-Core 3Ghz, 1.5GB RAM, 800Mhz GPU in the Wii U? I'm sure it's more powerful, but by how much? Also, they would never, never call it Xbox 720. If anything this should say "Durango" if it's really a project name. Also, why would they have the finalized hardware specs 3-4 years before release? Usually doesn't that happen only in the 12-18 months before launch
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#45 ionusX
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[QUOTE="ionusX"]

[QUOTE="ShadowDeathX"]It is going to have x86 and ARM support? 0.o wow interesting.ForzaGearsFace

this basically confirms that we wont see the next xbox till 2014 and that it will boast an amd kaveri apu likely with HCF with an hd 8670 mars. 4 gigs ram.. what is this a lightweight modern gaming mahcine or a joke?

wow hd 8670??? where did u see that?

you read between the lines a bit and basically it would be their smartest move. omitting anyhting the hd 9000 series has to offer than wont be a rebadge. the hd 8670 mars should be roughly equal to a gts 450

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who knows cant stand these rumors anymore hahaha goodnight

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#47 ShadowDeathX
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[QUOTE="bonesawisready5"]How does that compare to the rumored Tri-Core 3Ghz, 1.5GB RAM, 800Mhz GPU in the Wii U? I'm sure it's more powerful, but by how much? Also, they would never, never call it Xbox 720. If anything this should say "Durango" if it's really a project name. Also, why would they have the finalized hardware specs 3-4 years before release? Usually doesn't that happen only in the 12-18 months before launch

Spec ranges are confirmed years before a console release. The finalization they do a year before launch a minor things, not big things. Microsoft's goal is for the Next Xbox to be 8 times more powerful than Xbox 360, with a more realistic look out being between 6 and 7. If the Wii U is three times more powerful than the Xbox 360, then the Next Box will be a little above twice as powerful. If the Wii U is two times more powerful, the Next Xbox will be around three times more powerful. I'll go with the three times more powerful, realistically speaking.
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#48 Truth_Hurts_U
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Fake... 128bit RAM... HAHAHA!
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#49 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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... O_O Holy crap. That looks ridiculously good. The OEM and licensing part reminds me a bit too much of the 3DO, but if all of that is true (and it looks like it is)- and at that price!- then it looks like someone might be all set to buck the third console curse.
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#50 ShadowDeathX
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Fake... 128bit RAM... HAHAHA!Truth_Hurts_U

How so? It is 4GB of United DDR4 RAM. 128 bit seems right for the kind of GPU they are putting in that machine. btw: The GPU is not high end.

It could be a Piledriver-based Hexa or Octa core APU.

64ALU based APUs don't get released until.....next year.