IGN Caught Manipulating Game Reviews [UPDATE: IGN Responds]

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#51 topgunmv
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Either review the game right or don't review it at all, giantbomb style.

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#52 DarkLink77
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:lol: at the people in this thread talking about how journalistic integrity doesn't matter because they're only talking about video games.

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#53 lordlors
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[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Are you implying that the content means that being truthful and honest isnt required?

Fizzman

i'm implying that these sites are made solely for entertainment and don't adhere to the same standards of integrity as the new york times

What? Yes they do. The amount of traffic that IGN gets that a ton of people respect their opinion and they should be given an accurate and honest opinion.

This isnt some high standard. It's the bare minimum to be a journalist or reporter.

Game journalism is different from journalism by itself. After all, it's centered around video games not serious stuff like terrorism and politics. I do agree however that game journalism has to have some integrity but nah... I think that's asking too much.
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#54 bbkkristian
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[QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

Yeah, IGN lost its credibility:

[QUOTE="IGNtwitter"]

Zelda anyone? I'm so giving this a 7.5 charizard1605

What is this? When did this happen?

Oh wait it was RichIGN from twitter. But I found it on SWM 1 page away from most recent.
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#55 VensInferno
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Oh geez oh geez oh geez its the end of the world! Its teh end of the world!

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#56 SaltyMeatballs
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I hope no one takes their reviews seriously, but damn that is pretty crap for what's supposedly the biggest game site.
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#57 deactivated-5d6bb9cb2ee20
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[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="bbkkristian"]

bbkkristian

What is this? When did this happen?

Oh wait it was RichIGN from twitter. But I found it on SWM 1 page away from most recent.

Can you link me to this?

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#58 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

So if you get burnt out that means you dont have to do your job?

Hilarious response.

Fizzman

not what i said but way to put words in people's mouths :|

They pick the games they review. They didnt have to choose to review the game but instead did a half *** job and got caught lying.

doesn't doesn't mean he doens't have alot of other stuff to do
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#59 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I hope no one takes their reviews seriously, but damn that is pretty crap for what's supposedly the biggest game site.SaltyMeatballs
People took that Uncharted review pretty seriously. :lol:
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#60 lordlors
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:lol: at the people in this thread talking about how journalistic integrity doesn't matter because they're only talking about video games.

DarkLink77
But that's the case. Even if we want it to matter, it doesn't change on how game journalism runs nowadays. Gamers who frequent forums are a small percentage of the gaming population i'm pretty sure.
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#61 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] not what i said but way to put words in people's mouths :|mems_1224

They pick the games they review. They didnt have to choose to review the game but instead did a half *** job and got caught lying.

doesn't doesn't mean he doens't have alot of other stuff to do

What else do they have to do? If they have to review more games, what makes you think they wont half *** the next review? Follow the logical conclusion here.

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#62 ActicEdge
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But when I call IGN trash in the U3 thread I'm "angry". Lol people, open your ****ing eyes.

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#63 Slashless
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IGN is crap, nothing new. Never liked the site, never will.

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#64 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Parents who look at reviews to buy thier children a game? You need to get out of system wars and try to remember that the real world exists.

Are you serious?

Fizzman

:lol: then if they did read reviews i doubt they would only trust one site

Why not? IGN is one of the biggest gaming websites on the planet. Their opinion holds a ton of weight outside of SW.

:lol: well if that one paragraph keeps them from buying a game they otherwise would have bought that seems rather dumb :|
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#65 bbkkristian
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Can you link me to this?

charizard1605

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/28890767/ign-says-they-will-give-zelda-ss-a-7.5---swm-fall-issue?page=12

RichIGN's Twitter

"Zelda anyone? I'm so giving this a 7.5" (the quotations should be a quote)

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#66 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] :lol: then if they did read reviews i doubt they would only trust one sitemems_1224

Why not? IGN is one of the biggest gaming websites on the planet. Their opinion holds a ton of weight outside of SW.

:lol: well if that one paragraph keeps them from buying a game they otherwise would have bought that seems rather dumb :|

Keep on missing the point, its all you do.

I spelled it out for you in my previous post so you can finally get it.

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#67 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

They pick the games they review. They didnt have to choose to review the game but instead did a half *** job and got caught lying.

Fizzman

doesn't doesn't mean he doens't have alot of other stuff to do

What else do they have to do? If they have to review more games, what makes you think they wont half *** the next review? Follow the logical conclusion here.

previews, videos, reviews, articles podcats, their editors do more than just write reviews :|
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#68 argetlam00
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we all knew this was happening. Reviewers rush through a game as fast as humanly possible then complain about things like "not enough sidequests" when they probably didnt even complete a single one.

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#69 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Why not? IGN is one of the biggest gaming websites on the planet. Their opinion holds a ton of weight outside of SW.

Fizzman

:lol: well if that one paragraph keeps them from buying a game they otherwise would have bought that seems rather dumb :|

Keep on missing the point, its all you do.

not missing any point, you're whining about something that doesnt matter
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#70 brofists
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I don't know why, but this reminds me of Tom Mcshea's review of Uncharted 3 where he starts his review by basically saying, "my expectations coming into this review are too high." So how is this instance much worse then that instance?
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#71 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

:lol: at the people in this thread talking about how journalistic integrity doesn't matter because they're only talking about video games.

lordlors

But that's the case. Even if we want it to matter, it doesn't change on how game journalism runs nowadays. Gamers who frequent forums are a small percentage of the gaming population i'm pretty sure.

The fact that people aren't mad when someone reviews something ( I don't care what it is) improperly, the creator says, "Hey, you missed this," and then the guy blatantly lies and changes the review boggles my f***ing mind.

Maybe it doesn't matter, but it should.

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#72 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] :lol: well if that one paragraph keeps them from buying a game they otherwise would have bought that seems rather dumb :|mems_1224

Keep on missing the point, its all you do.

not missing any point, you're whining about something that doesnt matter

Doing their job doesnt matter?

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Can't spell ignorant without IGN :P
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#74 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Keep on missing the point, its all you do.

Fizzman

not missing any point, you're whining about something that doesnt matter

Doing their job doesnt matter?

he did do his job. he reviewed the game didnt he?
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IGN sucks...what else is new, however and to be fair, Reviewers sometimes have so many games to play is not a surprise they play a lot of games on the easiest difficulty.

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#76 lordlors
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[QUOTE="lordlors"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

:lol: at the people in this thread talking about how journalistic integrity doesn't matter because they're only talking about video games.

DarkLink77

But that's the case. Even if we want it to matter, it doesn't change on how game journalism runs nowadays. Gamers who frequent forums are a small percentage of the gaming population i'm pretty sure.

The fact that people aren't mad when someone reviews something ( I don't care what it is) improperly, the creator says, "Hey, you missed this," and then the guy blatantly lies and changes the review boggles my f***ing mind.

Maybe it doesn't matter, but it should.

Of course, it should but that doesn't change anything does it? What can we do to change this kind of thing from happening again? Got any ideas?
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#77 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] not missing any point, you're whining about something that doesnt mattermems_1224

Doing their job doesnt matter?

he did do his job. he reviewed the game didnt he?

Reviewing a a game implies that he was able to give his opinin truthfully and when he mentioned he did something and didnt actually do it, he didnt do his job. He SAID he did his job, but in reality didnt do it.

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#78 argetlam00
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IGN sucks...what else is new, however and to be fair, Reviewers sometimes have so many games to play is not a surprise they play a lot of games on the easiest difficulty.

madsnakehhh

If the reviewer cant play the game how its meant to be played he shouldnt review it at all.

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#79 Funconsole
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Didn't that happen here too? Just goes to show reviewers will push out an update ASAP to get more hits on the page and $$$$
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#80 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="lordlors"] But that's the case. Even if we want it to matter, it doesn't change on how game journalism runs nowadays. Gamers who frequent forums are a small percentage of the gaming population i'm pretty sure.lordlors

The fact that people aren't mad when someone reviews something ( I don't care what it is) improperly, the creator says, "Hey, you missed this," and then the guy blatantly lies and changes the review boggles my f***ing mind.

Maybe it doesn't matter, but it should.

Of course, it should but that doesn't change anything does it? What can we do to change this kind of thing from happening again? Got any ideas?

Personally? Nothing, except call people out on it and hope it helps somehow. If I were that guy's editor, he would've been fired on the spot.
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#81 Fizzman
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Didn't that happen here too? Just goes to show reviewers will push out an update ASAP to get more hits on the page and $$$$Funconsole

IGN always wants to be first when it comes to reviews. It's why their reviews are usually so bad.

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Dang that's aweful. Especially since it seems like it's some small dev who made it.

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#83 SpinoRaptor24
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lol, IGN has always been garbage when it comes to writings. I remember reading one of their reviews where they praised a game for charging DLC.

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#84 mmmwksil
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How shameful. And pathetic. Admit you made a mistake. :|

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[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

IGN sucks...what else is new, however and to be fair, Reviewers sometimes have so many games to play is not a surprise they play a lot of games on the easiest difficulty.

argetlam00

If the reviewer cant play the game how its meant to be played he shouldnt review it at all.

We understand that, and as gamers i'm sure most reviewers understand it as well...however, their bosses, that might be a different deal.

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nobody really cares about reviews though, just internet trolls like us.

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#87 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

IGN sucks...what else is new, however and to be fair, Reviewers sometimes have so many games to play is not a surprise they play a lot of games on the easiest difficulty.

madsnakehhh

If the reviewer cant play the game how its meant to be played he shouldnt review it at all.

We understand that, and as gamers i'm sure most reviewers understand it as well...however, their bosses, that might be a different deal.

Then hire more reviewers to get games reviewed or lose credibility in your scores. Their choice.

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#88 Bigboi500
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But when I call IGN trash in the U3 thread I'm "angry". Lol people, open your ****ing eyes.

ActicEdge

Good luck with that. People will blindly love reviews for their favorite games when it's in their favor regardless of how shady, inaccurate and lazy reviewers can be, not only on IGN but here and other places as well.

Some people live and die by every word reviewers say and base their purchases and personal values off of these words, and then some say they're just entertainment and should not be held to any credible standard. So which is it folks?

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IGN.....ya dun' goofed
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#90 djsifer01
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Its happened here and im sure has happened several times else were. Not saying its ok but it happens. Maybe the reviewer just could not get into the gae and wanted to finish it as quick as possible. People are not perfect and some times make mistakes. In no way should this effect there integrity. If it was happening on several occasions then yes, they would be far less credible.
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#91 djsifer01
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Its happened here and im sure has happened several times else were. Not saying its ok but it happens. Maybe the reviewer just could not get into the gae and wanted to finish it as quick as possible. People are not perfect and some times make mistakes. In no way should this effect there integrity. If it was happening on several occasions then yes, they would be far less credible.
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#92 brofists
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IGN sucks...what else is new, however and to be fair, Reviewers sometimes have so many games to play is not a surprise they play a lot of games on the easiest difficulty.

madsnakehhh
I agree with your last statement, but I just can't agree with your first sentence. No sirey! IGN as a whole is a good site with a lot of content. I think Greg Miller is awesome, and for the most part I hold their reviews of ps3 games with the most credibility out of any other site. Because they actually review the said game for what they are and try to do. And they seem to be a lot more consistent then other sites with their scores and their standards aren't ridiculous just for the sake of being critical and different *cough* Tom Mcshea *cough*
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#93 argetlam00
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

But when I call IGN trash in the U3 thread I'm "angry". Lol people, open your ****ing eyes.

Bigboi500

Good luck with that. People will blindly love reviews for their favorite games when it's in their favor regardless of how shady, inaccurate and lazy reviewers can be, not only on IGN but here and other places as well.

Some people live and die by every word reviewers say and base their purchases and personal values off of these words, and then some say they're just entertainment and should not be held to any credible standard. So which is it folks?

Depends. There are some websites I trust more than others. Particularly I'm a fan of Edge and EG. Those are usually the only 2 reviews I ever read. Then look at metacritic score for general idea of the games quality. Has worked for me for a long time.

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Ah thats to bad.. I like Daemon.. He's a good DJ. :P
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#95 brofists
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

But when I call IGN trash in the U3 thread I'm "angry". Lol people, open your ****ing eyes.

Bigboi500

Good luck with that. People will blindly love reviews for their favorite games when it's in their favor regardless of how shady, inaccurate and lazy reviewers can be, not only on IGN but here and other places as well.

Some people live and die by every word reviewers say and base their purchases and personal values off of these words, and then some say they're just entertainment and should not be held to any credible standard. So which is it folks?

A review score is just another man's opinion. I have an opinion too! I can agree with a score or disagree, listen to it or not, but once I play the game I'm making up my own mind, and if its a game that I have been looking forward to, then I'm still buying the game regardles. At the end of the day its just a random number that another man assigned to it
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#96 NeonNinja
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IGN is trash. What else is new?

DarkLink77

Well, to be fair, people don't READ reviews, they just look at the score.

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#97 RavenLoud
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Not surprised, doubt anyone was tbh.

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#98 aznfunnyjunker
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Ugh, IGN is complete trash.

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#99 brofists
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I do agree though, that for that reviewer to get called out on a mistake and then erase that whole part of the review to hide it, That's messed up. He should've been a man and owned up to it...at the least However having said that NOTHING compares to the whole Kanye and Lynch incident here on gamespot. That was blatant corruption on a Microsoft(xbots, extortion, bribes) level of corruption
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#100 brofists
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Ugh, IGN is complete trash.

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Still better then gamespot;)