Like the lack of role playing in JRPGs? ;)
AdobeArtist
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Your opinion about the definition of a RPG is irrelevant.
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Like the lack of role playing in JRPGs? ;)
Lucianu
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Your opinion about the definition of a RPG is irrelevant.
:lol:
Well that's a wrap.:P
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Like the lack of role playing in JRPGs? ;)
Lucianu
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Your opinion about the definition of a RPG is irrelevant.
There was actual role playing in Mass Effect 1 and 2. That and of course the character progression defined by cIass. Definition validated 8) 8)
Mass Effect 2 is my choice... but really I feel it should be Mass Effect/Mass Effect 2 as an option.... they are a singular experience, unlike any other IP b4 it. Sure they play differently, but when I think about Mass Effect the IP, I don't seperate the 2 titles.... I consider them as a whole... or rather 2/3 of the experience as we are waiting for the final chapter.
I've got to go with Oblivion. Even though I hated a lot of the gameplay aspects like clunky combat and leveling system, I loved exploring the world
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[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Like the lack of role playing in JRPGs? ;)
AdobeArtist
*looks at your sig.*
Your opinion about the definition of a RPG is irrelevant.
There was actual role playing in Mass Effect 1 and 2. That and of course the character progression defined by cIass. Definition validated 8) 8)
a few good cop/bad cop conversations doesnt make it any more of an RPG, its a CYOA with shooting, well ME2 anyway.
Rpg also refers to the game being based upon stats (which ME2 managed to bastardise something awful) and most JRPGs have that so theoretically and practically your claim holds little weight.
a few good cop/bad cop conversations doesnt make it any more of an RPG, its a CYOA with shooting, well ME2 anyway.Rpg also refers to the game being based upon stats (which ME2 managed to bastardise something awful) and most JRPGs have that so theoretically and practically your claim holds little weight.razgriz_101That's what an RPG is, player choice leading to different consequences. Mass Effect series is my favourite RPG series this gen :)
[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]a few good cop/bad cop conversations doesnt make it any more of an RPG, its a CYOA with shooting, well ME2 anyway.Rpg also refers to the game being based upon stats (which ME2 managed to bastardise something awful) and most JRPGs have that so theoretically and practically your claim holds little weight.AmazingGamingThat's what an RPG is, player choice leading to different consequences. Mass Effect series is my favourite RPG series this gen :) I don't agree at all. RPGs are in part story/character focused, but in another part, character/party management and customization is the other half. ME2 has very weak customization, only a handful of skills per class. Otherwise, you have no control over how a character advances, armor has very little impact, weapons don't even have stats. Story and character wise, ME2 is similar to an RPG, but the combat is TPS and the customization is about as weak as some FPS games. Stuff like Yakuza and Devil May Cry 3/4 have more customization options. Classic RPGs were more about just gameplay, but how you build your character was always important, and the builds you can make are very weak in comparison to a more high quality RPG.
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Like the lack of role playing in JRPGs? ;)
Lucianu
*looks at your sig.*
Your opinion about the definition of a RPG is irrelevant.
HAHAHAHA that was good.
[QUOTE="AmazingGaming"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]a few good cop/bad cop conversations doesnt make it any more of an RPG, its a CYOA with shooting, well ME2 anyway.Rpg also refers to the game being based upon stats (which ME2 managed to bastardise something awful) and most JRPGs have that so theoretically and practically your claim holds little weight.110millionThat's what an RPG is, player choice leading to different consequences. Mass Effect series is my favourite RPG series this gen :) I don't agree at all. RPGs are in part story/character focused, but in another part, character/party management and customization is the other half. ME2 has very weak customization, only a handful of skills per class. Otherwise, you have no control over how a character advances, armor has very little impact, weapons don't even have stats. Story and character wise, ME2 is similar to an RPG, but the combat is TPS and the customization is about as weak as some FPS games. Stuff like Yakuza and Devil May Cry 3/4 have more customization options. Classic RPGs were more about just gameplay, but how you build your character was always important, and the builds you can make are very weak in comparison to a more high quality RPG. Fair point of view. Its just for me, as you say even games like Devil May Cry, Call Of Duty, The Legend Of Zelda, God Of War, etc all have character building/customisation and really aren't RPGs. So I suppose I just never really associated that gameplay aspect with RPGs. For me, RPGs are any game where I can make choices in where I go and/or what I do in terms of story and gameplay. Mass Effect has that and is the best at it this gen imo.
[QUOTE="110million"][QUOTE="AmazingGaming"] That's what an RPG is, player choice leading to different consequences. Mass Effect series is my favourite RPG series this gen :)AmazingGamingI don't agree at all. RPGs are in part story/character focused, but in another part, character/party management and customization is the other half. ME2 has very weak customization, only a handful of skills per class. Otherwise, you have no control over how a character advances, armor has very little impact, weapons don't even have stats. Story and character wise, ME2 is similar to an RPG, but the combat is TPS and the customization is about as weak as some FPS games. Stuff like Yakuza and Devil May Cry 3/4 have more customization options. Classic RPGs were more about just gameplay, but how you build your character was always important, and the builds you can make are very weak in comparison to a more high quality RPG. Fair point of view. Its just for me, as you say even games like Devil May Cry, Call Of Duty, The Legend Of Zelda, God Of War, etc all have character building/customisation and really aren't RPGs. So I suppose I just never really associated that gameplay aspect with RPGs. For me, RPGs are any game where I can make choices in where I go and/or what I do in terms of story and gameplay. Mass Effect has that and is the best at it this gen imo.
And what I have said several times in other threads is that stats comprises only part of the RPG equation. Story and character development is the other half of the coin. Where some people here focus on only one or the other, I keep saying you can't seperate them. Games like GoW and Force Unleashed have a form of power levelling, but not the player driven interaction which defines the character. That is to say determining what kind of traits & attitude the character has and how that shapes their role in the story. They aren't considered RPGs, and oddly enough most JRPGs, or at least the really old school ones play like this; lots of focus on stats and skill trees (far more complex than the FU example), but very little to no player driven interaction.
If you look at the other side oif things, story driven games where the player can make some or many choices, take for example GTA or Heavy Rain, yet they are still playing static characters who don't progress or evolve, nor are customizable along a diversity of skill trees. They are basically the same as they begin to the very end.
Which brings me back to my original point, thet boths stats & levelling, as well as player driven interaction (the heart of the role playing) are both integral to the role playing experience.
As for the stats and weapons of Mass Effect 2, you gotta understand that these are contextual to the technological setting of the story. STR, DEX, CON, and other similar attributes have no bearing where the damage output is determined purely by the power of the weapon. It's not like a sword where strength would factor into its impact of damage. Where the guns and armor themselves are concerned, do you realize that the upgrade system is essentially a context revision to the mechanic of item swapping?
Instead of having to trade up the obsolete weapon for a better version, you universally improve what you have across your entire armory to increase the damage capabilities of the guns from the assorted types, along with the other perks (ammo capacity, armor/shield piercing bonus, etc...) Same with the armor, where you increase it's ability to absorb more damage. And this works within the context of this universe, technology is based on the principle of improving existing specs.
The main point being, you have still achieved the same end result from a different approach - character gets inventory that can better protect him/her and dish out more punishment to enemies.
I know what you mean, I can barely handle Witcher as it is :(Faster and faster The Witcher is becoming my favorite RPG.
Damn my rig for not being able the run The Witcher 2!!Lto_thaG
I know what you mean, I can barely handle Witcher as it is :( Medium over here :([QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]
Faster and faster The Witcher is becoming my favorite RPG.
Damn my rig for not being able the run The Witcher 2!!siLVURcross
I'm going to seem like a kid here, but I still blieve it is Pokemon just for the fact that after you beat the game, you can do more crap and go against other people. It is just the most replayable RPG. Istill haven't beaten my Yellow Version, and I got it in 1999.
I know what you mean, I can barely handle Witcher as it is :( Medium over here :([QUOTE="siLVURcross"]
[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]
Faster and faster The Witcher is becoming my favorite RPG.
Damn my rig for not being able the run The Witcher 2!!Lto_thaG
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
DarkLink77
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
AdobeArtist
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG.[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
DarkLink77
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG. their was nothing terrible about fallout 3:evil:[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
DarkLink77
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG.Absolutely. Fallout 3 is a crappy game, but it's still an RPG. Everything you do is defined by stats and you genuinely play the role of a character ina world, with the ability to constantly change how others view you without having to restart to follow some stupid paragon/renegade path that actually limits role-playing rather than enhancing.
Fallout 3 isn't a fun game, but the more you play the more your character develops however you want him/her to develop.
Mass Effect 2? If you chose to ignore level upgrades you could shoot your way through the game and still get through. And while story is a key aspect in some RPGs, particularly BioWare and Square-Enix games, it is a known fact that Mass Effect 2 doesn't have a plot beyond "make a team, go commit some silly 20 minute 'suicide mission.'"
Problem? Didn't think so.
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
DarkLink77
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG. and mass effect 2 is an rpg too. Or atleast captures what I like about rpgs better than alot of games. Especially considering most of the rpgs coming out recently have sort of sucked atleast for me.I've played everything but Mass effect, and Demon's Souls was absolutely the best game.
Oblivion was probably the closest thing to an RPG, but Demon's Souls was rock solid gameplay, and that's what matters most to me.
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG. their was nothing terrible about fallout 3:evil: There's everything terrible about Fallout 3. More boring than the driving in Mafia 2.[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
lawlessx
[QUOTE="lawlessx"]their was nothing terrible about fallout 3:evil: There's everything terrible about Fallout 3. More boring than the driving in Mafia 2. Terrible that it doesn't go on long enough? Terrible that you will never get the chance to taste a Nuka-Cola? Or pet a mutated mole rat?[QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG.siLVURcross
[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]
From that list? Dragon Age.
And why the f*** is Mass Effect 2 on the list? The poll isn't about third person shooters.
DarkLink77
Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG. Hators. I played most fairly recent RPG's and Fallout 3 ranks among the best. Though that giant robot at the end is stupid...[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]a few good cop/bad cop conversations doesnt make it any more of an RPG, its a CYOA with shooting, well ME2 anyway.Rpg also refers to the game being based upon stats (which ME2 managed to bastardise something awful) and most JRPGs have that so theoretically and practically your claim holds little weight.AmazingGamingThat's what an RPG is, player choice leading to different consequences. Mass Effect series is my favourite RPG series this gen :)
not at all, FO3 is more of an RPG and thats saying something.
Stats literally do bugger all, and have been bastardised to the extent of being streamlined far too much.Theres no stats that affect guns really all you get is a bit more power in your biotic or w/e was with your class.
The whole stats based system in ME1 worked well i thought and made it feel more like an RPG, on top of that it was better for shaping your character build and how shep went through the game.
ME2 was a CYOA shooter nothing more nothing less with some pseudo rpg so bioware could insist it was still a WRPG but bout as much depth as your summer blockbuster.
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG. Hators. I played most fairly recent RPG's and Fallout 3 ranks among the best. Though that giant robot at the end is stupid... I guess your standards might be lower? Because I thought Fallout 3 was pretty mediocre too.Strange that I haven't seen you object to Fallout 3 on the same grounds ;)
SkyWard20
Hators. I played most fairly recent RPG's and Fallout 3 ranks among the best. Though that giant robot at the end is stupid... I guess your standards might be lower? Because I thought Fallout 3 was pretty mediocre too.[QUOTE="SkyWard20"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Because Fallout 3 is an RPG. It's a terrible game, but it is an RPG.DragonfireXZ95
agreed. I have yet to finish Fallout 3 after 20 or so hours I just can't go any farther, and that's saying something since I put 50+ hours into each of my 2 playthroughs of Fallout:NV and that game was buggy as hell when I played it.
I guess your standards might be lower? Because I thought Fallout 3 was pretty mediocre too.[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]
[QUOTE="SkyWard20"] Hators. I played most fairly recent RPG's and Fallout 3 ranks among the best. Though that giant robot at the end is stupid...tempest91
agreed. I have yet to finish Fallout 3 after 20 or so hours I just can't go any farther, and that's saying something since I put 50+ hours into each of my 2 playthroughs of Fallout:NV and that game was buggy as hell when I played it.
Yeah New Vegas was much much better.[QUOTE="tempest91"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] I guess your standards might be lower? Because I thought Fallout 3 was pretty mediocre too.
DragonfireXZ95
agreed. I have yet to finish Fallout 3 after 20 or so hours I just can't go any farther, and that's saying something since I put 50+ hours into each of my 2 playthroughs of Fallout:NV and that game was buggy as hell when I played it.
Yeah New Vegas was much much better. That's what I hear. I want to check it out, but Fallout 3 was just so boring.[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="tempest91"]Yeah New Vegas was much much better. That's what I hear. I want to check it out, but Fallout 3 was just so boring.agreed. I have yet to finish Fallout 3 after 20 or so hours I just can't go any farther, and that's saying something since I put 50+ hours into each of my 2 playthroughs of Fallout:NV and that game was buggy as hell when I played it.
DarkLink77
It's not even the same game at all. I was bored to tears by Fallout 3, but I seriously loved NV. Everything is better except the technical aspects, but it's fun despite those issues.
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