Santa banned from school because of Muslims

Is anyone really suprised, if I here anything about a religion demanding special rights I can guess it will be islam.

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You just might wannaconsideractuallylooking instead of being laughably contrarian, as per usual.

jwsoul

So, apparently, the family simply asked for an alternative activity to be offered for their children, not for Santa to be banned. Looks like the issue here is with the school board, not Muslims.

There are Christians who have taken similar issue with Santa, but it's not intolerance when they do it huh?

Because of people like this, there will be no holidays in the future. They throw a temper because they don't get their way. They can make their child stay home and opt out, thats what my mom did for me at this Global Warming convention, in which they forced the students to go to and they forced participation in the audience. I'd rather do work, thank you. But instead of Destroying the fun for everyone, i told my parents and they let me stay home.

What holiday will be next? They already ruined the celebration of Christmas. Independence day? New Years? Soon they only be allowed to celebrated at home. Then once people complain that one house is being too loud; its gone.

bbkkristian

How was Christmas ruined? It seems as widely celebrated and popular as always.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"]It takes some impressive intellectual gymnastics to suggest that a passage advocating the subjugation of all non-Muslims beneath an Islamic state is a self-defence measure; bravo, sir!dromiceiomimus

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No I don't because I'm not a bigot. :| Yout are judging all mulsiums based upon a few examples. Do Christians limit free speech and freedom of will and are ignorant racists because of the Westboro Baptist Church? Do all Jews have big noeses too? Do all American Indians wear headdresses? You cannot judge a group of individuals like they way you did. :|

chessmaster1989

What are you talking about. Quite literally every Muslim I know is tolerant of other faiths. Couldn't say the same about every Christian or every atheist that I know.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Gaming-Planet"]

Santa has nothing to do with religion. Ignorance.

jwsoul

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] Muslims are not Sikhs, Muslims have fought offensive wars

dromiceiomimus

"But if they desist, surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful. And fight them until there is no persecution." (2:192, 193)

"And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Surely He is the Hearer, the Knower." (8:61)

"Allah forbids you not respecting those who fight you not for religion, nor drive you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly. Surely Allah loves the doers of justice." (60:8)

You were saying?

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So, apparently, the family simply asked for an alternative activity to be offered for their children, not for Santa to be banned. Looks like the issue here is with the school board, not Muslims.

worlock77

There are Christians who have taken similar issue with Santa, but it's not intolerance when they do it huh?

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No I don't because I'm not a bigot. :| Yout are judging all mulsiums based upon a few examples. Do Christians limit free speech and freedom of will and are ignorant racists because of the Westboro Baptist Church? Do all Jews have big noeses too? Do all American Indians wear headdresses? You cannot judge a group of individuals like they way you did. :|

chessmaster1989

What are you talking about. Quite literally every Muslim I know is tolerant of other faiths. Couldn't say the same about every Christian or every atheist that I know.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] lets not shift blame here you are saying that passage is solely intended to be a justification for defensive murder.surrealnumber5

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[QUOTE="jwsoul"] Regardless of IGNORANCE lol its a simple fact that Muslims do not tolerate other faiths.

jwsoul

What are you talking about. Quite literally every Muslim I know is tolerant of other faiths. Couldn't say the same about every Christian or every atheist that I know.

You said "its a simple fact that Muslims do not tolerate other faiths," I was simply pointing out you were wrong. Of course I know that there are Muslims who are intolerant of other people's religions.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] What?

Theokhoth

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[QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"]Oh? And how does cultural context excuse barbarism like this? Enlighten me.dromiceiomimus

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] the ending of anothers life. surrealnumber5

Theokhoth

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[QUOTE="jwsoul"] Hmm Thanks for that general opinion remains unchanged tho. More tolerance from Muslims would not go amiss. jwsoul

There are Christians who have taken similar issue with Santa, but it's not intolerance when they do it huh?

That's swell. Now what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"] In self-defense. Are you saying that's immoral?Theokhoth

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

There are Christians who have taken similar issue with Santa, but it's not intolerance when they do it huh?

worlock77

That's swell. Now what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]dromiceiomimus

if that were the interpretation that was correct it would have been followed by all devout muslims surrealnumber5

Say what? Devout religious followers get their own faith horribly wrong all the time.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] im saying that your interpretation of the passage has not been followed at all and therefore is wrong.

surrealnumber5

Y'know there was originally passages in the bible where Jesus struck a kid down dead for throwing sticks in a pool of water he was sitting by, and another where a crowd of people knocked into him so he made them all blind. They were removed by the church. The point being; dont get so caught up on scripture. It was written thousands of years ago and all....Ninja-Hippo

The whole "removed from the Bible" thing is a bit inaccurate. The Bible itself is pretty well unchanged from when its cannon was established. While it's true that there were many Jewish and Christian texts in that time none were removed from the Bible as they were never in the Bible itself in the first place.

[QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]So your rebutal to me saying you cannot stereotype people like the way you did is a red herring about a spelling mistake? :? Second of all I doubt that is in the Koran, never read it and I doubt you have aswell. My point still stands you cannot stereotype a large body of people like you did.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Y'know there was originally passages in the bible where Jesus struck a kid down dead for throwing sticks in a pool of water he was sitting by, and another where a crowd of people knocked into him so he made them all blind. They were removed by the church. The point being; dont get so caught up on scripture. It was written thousands of years ago and all....worlock77

The whole "removed from the Bible" thing is a bit inaccurate. The Bible itself is pretty well unchanged from when its cannon was established. While it's true that there were many Jewish and Christian texts in that time none were removed from the Bible as they were never in the Bible itself in the first place.

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[QUOTE="jwsoul"] Oh yeah nice try lol like i care. i am referring to the fact that in modern society and by todays standards Muslims are the least tolerant of the faiths or main faiths that i know of. jwsoul

That's swell. Now what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

My comments have been directly in response to articles about the topic we're discussing.

[QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Theokhoth

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] Has not been followed at all? The Muslims in my area aren't trying to convert me. :| It was followed by the very first Muslims, quite well, in fact.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="jwsoul"][QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]No I don't because I'm not a bigot. :| Yout are judging all mulsiums based upon a few examples. Do Christians limit free speech and freedom of will and are ignorant racists because of the Westboro Baptist Church? Do all Jews have big noeses too? Do all American Indians wear headdresses? You cannot judge a group of individuals like they way you did. :|chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"]Not seeing any 'do not kill' there - and one can also see rather a lot of 'do kill' once we reach the subject of - say - adulterers. By the way, if you're going to use the 'cultural context' justification, then presumably you'll allow me the same privilege: might I point out that in general the more tolerant verses of the Quran were written during a period during which the Islamic cult was weak, and when aggression against other tribes would have been suicide? Just a thought.dromiceiomimus

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[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]Y'know there was originally passages in the bible where Jesus struck a kid down dead for throwing sticks in a pool of water he was sitting by, and another where a crowd of people knocked into him so he made them all blind. They were removed by the church. The point being; dont get so caught up on scripture. It was written thousands of years ago and all....Ninja-Hippo

The whole "removed from the Bible" thing is a bit inaccurate. The Bible itself is pretty well unchanged from when its cannon was established. While it's true that there were many Jewish and Christian texts in that time none were removed from the Bible as they were never in the Bible itself in the first place.

Right, but it was never in the Bible so it couldn't have been removed from the Bible. It might sound like I'm being pedantic, but it's an important point I think. I see a lot of "removed from the Bible" stuff thrown around and it implies that the Bible has been altered willy-nilly throughout the centuries, and that's simply not the case at all. Since Biblical cannon was established it has remained largely unchanged save for the difference between Catholic and Protestant cannon.

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if that were the interpretation that was correct it would have been followed by all devout muslims Ninja-Hippo

Say what? Devout religious followers get their own faith horribly wrong all the time.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] if that were the interpretation that was correct it would have been followed by all devout muslims, but since states and holy men that subscribe to that faith have not followed that interpretation, i cant see how you deem it valid over historical president surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="dromiceiomimus"]Not seeing any 'do not kill' there - and one can also see rather a lot of 'do kill' once we reach the subject of - say - adulterers. By the way, if you're going to use the 'cultural context' justification, then presumably you'll allow me the same privilege: might I point out that in general the more tolerant verses of the Quran were written during a period during which the Islamic cult was weak, and when aggression against other tribes would have been suicide? Just a thought.dromiceiomimus

There's stuff just as bad or worse in the Old Testament. Why does it make Islam a violent religion but for Jews and Christians it's no big deal?

and i would not defend them, your point?

surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"] States like Saudi Arabia haven't followed the Qur'An for years. What holy men have not followed this interpretation?

Theokhoth

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and i would not defend them, your point?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]"Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). "Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing. (5:32)"dromiceiomimus

Muhammad spelled out a method of war which included no killing of children or women, no executions, no torture, and the pursuit and acceptance of peace whenever possible. So to use any verses about war as if to say that Islam is a violent faith isn't really fair.

Sooooo the one non-religious symbol of quite a religious holiday is what offended this family?