Is the USA healthcare system a joke compared to other countries

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Who cares what outsiders that don't actually understand it think?LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Countries with universal health care more often than not have free education. Where's the cost of med school now?nunovlopes

See, this is the problem. You clearly know nothing about what happens outside the US, so you apply the same general principles, because in your mind the rest of the world operates in the same way as the US.

Not sure about other Europeans countries, but in my country public medschool is far better than private. No respectable doctor over here comes from private schools.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]typical conservative.

Even under ideal scenerios, which conservatives seem to constantly assume the middle class and more notably the poor are under, working 5-10 years in the work force would put the person way behind others who had the advantage of money. They'd be going at a later age, when they get out they would have less experience in the industry than others of the same age.

that's ideal though. In reality people are going to run into financial troubles that will damage their credit, people often have difficulty saving in bad economic times or even when things like children, marriage, deaths, illnesses which are all more likely to happen as we age are going to be more of a burden.

On top of this, as people get older, they gain responsibilities and don't have the same time to put into school as when they were younger.

I really don't understand why conservatives would wish worse lives on others.

TopTierHustler

Indians doing well doesn't negate what I've said in putting people years behind where they could be.

It's also going to lead to a less educated workforce with less people going to college, and that means a weaker economy.

Everybody loses.

Those same economic principles are why the US system is so expensive.

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

rather the opposite,the UK's is easily a joke.

Although I cant comment on the situation of Obama care.

kraychik

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[QUOTE="sexyweapons"]

rather the opposite,the UK's is easily a joke.

Although I cant comment on the situation of Obama care.

kraychik

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="kraychik"] Correct. But free markets provide more quantity and more quality than centrally-planned administration of healthcare. kraychik

Prove it then.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="kraychik"] Correct. But free markets provide more quantity and more quality than centrally-planned administration of healthcare. kraychik

Yes they do. (While also spending a lot less)

The quality of care varies with the U.S being average overall, while the access to care in the U.S is abmyssal and the cost of health care in the U.S is extremely high.

The quality of US healthcare/medical is really, really high. But the cost is another story entirely. Obamacare is okay, it mandates health care, which is good... but that also means someone has to pay for it if someone else can't afford it.

It's a wash, really.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] the poor and middle class are in ideal scenarios...scenarios more ideal than in India. You would expect that we would outperform them because of it...but we're not. And get off your moral high ground. kingkong0124

Indians doing well doesn't negate what I've said in putting people years behind where they could be.

It's also going to lead to a less educated workforce with less people going to college, and that means a weaker economy.

Everybody loses.

The government isn't providing the healthcare services, so I don't know how they can claim it's a tax. How many new doctors are being hired as a result of this financial outlay by the American people? Oh.. that's right. None. Congress and the President are exempt from the program, as usual. Scary, scary things are happening here.

And what happens if you "opt out?" You have to pay a large sum of money and get absolutely nothing in return.

The government isn't providing the healthcare services, so I don't know how they can claim it's a tax. How many new doctors are being hired as a result of this financial outlay by the American people? Oh.. that's right. None. Congress and the President are exempt from the program, as usual. Scary, scary things are happening here.

And what happens if you "opt out?" You have to pay a large sum of money and get absolutely nothing in return.

hartsickdiscipl

The government isn't providing the healthcare services, so I don't know how they can claim it's a tax. How many new doctors are being hired as a result of this financial outlay by the American people? Oh.. that's right. None. Congress and the President are exempt from the program, as usual. Scary, scary things are happening here.

And what happens if you "opt out?" You have to pay a large sum of money and get absolutely nothing in return.

hartsickdiscipl

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The government isn't providing the healthcare services, so I don't know how they can claim it's a tax. How many new doctors are being hired as a result of this financial outlay by the American people? Oh.. that's right. None. Congress and the President are exempt from the program, as usual. Scary, scary things are happening here.

And what happens if you "opt out?" You have to pay a large sum of money and get absolutely nothing in return.

sSubZerOo

The issue being that the government is not taking the same measure of control over the healthcare system at large that other countries with socialist healthcare taxes do. They're basically saying "You hand us the money, or else. We'll do what we want with it."

Yes, there will be people who benefit from this format. However, there are countless people who will NEVER use the insurance. Many of these will be the same young people who will be paying into social security for years and NEVER get to benefit from it one bit. The whole American financial system is based on the exact opposite of this type of thinking. What you propose is to benefit the "greater good," when in fact is also acts to bring quite a few people down. Not to mention being unconstitutional. The very fact that the Supreme Court let this go tells us something about where the US is headed. We never really had a true democracy, but now we're miles away. There are more and more socialized programs in this country. Public education has long been the big one.. now healthcare. Frankly, I think healthcare is the one thing that maybe should be. Just not the way it has materialized. Especially not with Obama firmly establishing himself as a blatant liar. He talked endlessly about "no new taxes." Now his bill gets passed because they call it a tax.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

The government isn't providing the healthcare services, so I don't know how they can claim it's a tax. How many new doctors are being hired as a result of this financial outlay by the American people? Oh.. that's right. None. Congress and the President are exempt from the program, as usual. Scary, scary things are happening here.

And what happens if you "opt out?" You have to pay a large sum of money and get absolutely nothing in return.

hartsickdiscipl

The issue being that the government is not taking the same measure of control over the healthcare system at large that other countries with socialist healthcare taxes do. They're basically saying "You hand us the money, or else. We'll do what we want with it."

Yes, there will be people who benefit from this format. However, there are countless people who will NEVER use the insurance. Many of these will be the same young people who will be paying into social security for years and NEVER get to benefit from it one bit. The whole American financial system is based on the exact opposite of this type of thinking. What you propose is to benefit the "greater good," when in fact is also acts to bring quite a few people down. Not to mention being unconstitutional. The very fact that the Supreme Court let this go tells us something about where the US is headed. We never really had a true democracy, but now we're miles away. There are more and more socialized programs in this country. Public education has long been the big one.. now healthcare. Frankly, I think healthcare is the one thing that maybe should be. Just not the way it has materialized. Especially not with Obama firmly establishing himself as a blatant liar. He talked endlessly about "no new taxes." Now his bill gets passed because they call it a tax.

No sh!t people not benefiting from their insurance? OF COURSE WE ALL don't its a safety net.. The fact of teh matter is you can not guarentee you are healthy, or will not get hit by a car or numerous other things.. Hospitals and doctors are OBLIGATED under their code to save you even if your uninsured, meaning your dead weight ass is costing every body else money.. Yet again, if you refuse to pay for health insurance, yet you can afford it.. You deserve taxed, because you will be costing the system statistically while giving nothing to it. But please feel free on sayng tha tdoctors and hospitals shoudl be able to deny the uninsured and letting them die on the sidewalk..

Furthermore you have no idea what you are talking about, everything you are suggesting is unconstitutional has been FOUND to be constitutional.. Thats the point of living in a society, we give some and we get some.. You don't get something for nothing, thats not how things work.

I live in Canada so what I'm about to say comes from observation only.

I think the USA mentality is "Every man for himself". People don't want to pay for other people's things, that's including health care. Republicans are pissed in the states because they believe it under minds the Constitution by "forcing" people to pay the tax (or the penalty, depending who you talk to) if you don't buy health insurance. They want the free market to regulate health care.

Personally, I believe health care is not some "product" to be sold, it's a right to everyone. In Canada we get health care from the government as does many other countries. The states is one of the few first world countries left to not have a national health care system and it hurts people more than helps them.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Person0"] Well America doesn't have a free market because having people die in the streets because they can't pay for care is something most people disagree with. An proof on the overhead of insurance companies being due to regulation? European is better or equal to American health care in almost anyway while paying less, and everybody having access to care. People in other countries also don't have to worry about going bankrupt (which is was the most ofter cause of people going bankrupt even among people that have insurance.)Person0

If the US were to implement a complete free market health care system it would certainly be better than it is now.

Look at it this way: The free market means business have to compete to get a customer. Who wins in the free market? The business that makes the best stuff for the lowest price. Companies would be competingfor your business, trying to out do each other, forcing the other companies to either A) Lower their prices or B) Provide a better service for the same cost as their competitors. You would see a lot less people dying on the street.

[QUOTE="hartsickdiscipl"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"] If your refuse healthcare coverage you deserve to get taxed.. People seem not to understand, when your uninsured dumbass (by choice) gets sick or collapses.. The doctors and hospitals still have to treat you, they can not deny you care.. Meaning THEIR costs get transfered to the people who actually pay for a healthcare plan... sSubZerOo

The issue being that the government is not taking the same measure of control over the healthcare system at large that other countries with socialist healthcare taxes do. They're basically saying "You hand us the money, or else. We'll do what we want with it."

Yes, there will be people who benefit from this format. However, there are countless people who will NEVER use the insurance. Many of these will be the same young people who will be paying into social security for years and NEVER get to benefit from it one bit. The whole American financial system is based on the exact opposite of this type of thinking. What you propose is to benefit the "greater good," when in fact is also acts to bring quite a few people down. Not to mention being unconstitutional. The very fact that the Supreme Court let this go tells us something about where the US is headed. We never really had a true democracy, but now we're miles away. There are more and more socialized programs in this country. Public education has long been the big one.. now healthcare. Frankly, I think healthcare is the one thing that maybe should be. Just not the way it has materialized. Especially not with Obama firmly establishing himself as a blatant liar. He talked endlessly about "no new taxes." Now his bill gets passed because they call it a tax.

No sh!t people not benefiting from their insurance? OF COURSE WE ALL don't its a safety net.. The fact of teh matter is you can not guarentee you are healthy, or will not get hit by a car or numerous other things.. Hospitals and doctors are OBLIGATED under their code to save you even if your uninsured, meaning your dead weight ass is costing every body else money.. Yet again, if you refuse to pay for health insurance, yet you can afford it.. You deserve taxed, because you will be costing the system statistically while giving nothing to it. But please feel free on sayng tha tdoctors and hospitals shoudl be able to deny the uninsured and letting them die on the sidewalk..

Furthermore you have no idea what you are talking about, everything you are suggesting is unconstitutional has been FOUND to be constitutional.. Thats the point of living in a society, we give some and we get some.. You don't get something for nothing, thats not how things work.

I have yet to talk to one citizen who felt that this modified Obamacare is constitutional. You are the first. That tells me all I need to know about that.

You're still not even thinking about the person who pays $1400 a year towards NOTHING that benefits them. It's retarded. There needs to be a rebate for those who don't use the service.

[QUOTE="Person0"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so you use imaginary scenarios to justify force/extortion/theft for a cause you want. classy

dream431ca

If the US were to implement a complete free market health care system it would certainly be better than it is now.

Look at it this way: The free market means business have to compete to get a customer. Who wins in the free market? The business that makes the best stuff for the lowest price. Companies would be competingfor your business, trying to out do each other, forcing the other companies to either A) Lower their prices or B) Provide a better service for the same cost as their competitors. You would see a lot less people dying on the street.

Also a completely free market means no safety or health regulations for medical care which is completely insane.

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[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

If the US were to implement a complete free market health care system it would certainly be better than it is now.

Look at it this way: The free market means business have to compete to get a customer. Who wins in the free market? The business that makes the best stuff for the lowest price. Companies would be competingfor your business, trying to out do each other, forcing the other companies to either A) Lower their prices or B) Provide a better service for the same cost as their competitors. You would see a lot less people dying on the street.

kraychik

Also a completely free market means no safety or health regulations for medical care which is completely insane.