Is the USA healthcare system a joke compared to other countries

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

in other countries, doctors get paid only $100,000

what a joke.

kingkong0124

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

in other countries, doctors get paid only $100,000

what a joke.

kingkong0124

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

in other countries, doctors get paid only $100,000

what a joke.

kingkong0124

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king. So no, in such a country doctors don't deserve more than 100K.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="Mike-uk"]Money hungry doctors, all they do is take your money then play golf.nunovlopes

Your *average* doctor doesn't have the amount of stress you're implying. It's not all like you see in TV series.

Still, I'm all for doctors being quite well paid, it's a job that carries a great deal of responsiblity. Thing is I see many young people that very clearly say they go into med school because of the money. No doctor that focus on money first will ever be a good doctor. It should be first and foremost about helping other people.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

nunovlopes

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Only?:lol:

Americans and their sense of entitlement and always complaining.

Tylendal

[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

in other countries, doctors get paid only $100,000

what a joke.

kingkong0124

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Sense of entitlement and complaining? Doctors deserve much more money that $100,000....the work hours, amount of stress, and high level of education all make it one of the hardest jobs in the world. But then again, who knows, you might be the type that is satisfied struggling to make ends meet. kingkong0124

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king.

In most European countries education is free or relatively cheap. In my country, you can get a doctor's degree without spending much money. Under these conditions 100K is really really a lot of money.

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Sense of entitlement and complaining? Doctors deserve much more money that $100,000....the work hours, amount of stress, and high level of education all make it one of the hardest jobs in the world. But then again, who knows, you might be the type that is satisfied struggling to make ends meet. kingkong0124

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king.

nunovlopes

In most European countries education is free or relatively cheap. In my country, you can get a doctor's degree without spending much money. Under these conditions 100K is really really a lot of money.

you are not addressing any of my arguments you are only re-spouting political lines http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1094/is_n2_v28/ai_13834930/surrealnumber5

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

In a country where the vast majority of the population makes below 30K, 100K is a LOT of money, it's not "only" 100K. With 100K in such a country you live like a king.

DroidPhysX

As an outsider, I can't understand how you guys in the US would ever have such a healthcare system in the first place:?

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] ever heard about the costs of med school? 100k is a lot of money, but it's not what doctors SHOULD be making. kingkong0124

In most European countries education is free or relatively cheap. In my country, you can get a doctor's degree without spending much money. Under these conditions 100K is really really a lot of money.

As an outsider, I can't understand how you guys in the US would ever have such a healthcare system in the first place:?

35cent

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

In most European countries education is free or relatively cheap. In my country, you can get a doctor's degree without spending much money. Under these conditions 100K is really really a lot of money.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Jealous? And considering the amount of stress your average doctor has and hours your average doctor works, it's not simply just "taking your money and playing golf".

kingkong0124

Your *average* doctor doesn't have the amount of stress you're implying. It's not all like you see in TV series.

Still, I'm all for doctors being quite well paid, it's a job that carries a great deal of responsiblity. Thing is I see many young people that very clearly say they go into med school because of the money. No doctor that focus on money first will ever be a good doctor. It should be first and foremost about helping other people.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

Your *average* doctor doesn't have the amount of stress you're implying. It's not all like you see in TV series.

Still, I'm all for doctors being quite well paid, it's a job that carries a great deal of responsiblity. Thing is I see many young people that very clearly say they go into med school because of the money. No doctor that focus on money first will ever be a good doctor. It should be first and foremost about helping other people.

thebest31406

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]you are not addressing any of my arguments you are only re-spouting political lines http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1094/is_n2_v28/ai_13834930/Person0

DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="35cent"]

As an outsider, I can't understand how you guys in the US would ever have such a healthcare system in the first place:?

Mike-uk

It just seems insane that healthcare would be a profit driven industry. A public and private sector for healthcare is the way to go

[QUOTE="Mike-uk"][QUOTE="35cent"]

As an outsider, I can't understand how you guys in the US would ever have such a healthcare system in the first place:?

35cent

It just seems insane that healthcare would be a profit driven industry. A public and private sector for healthcare is the way to go

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Countries with universal health care more often than not have free education. Where's the cost of med school now?DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] privatized education is better ex: private schools, ivy leagues Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]you are not addressing any of my arguments you are only re-spouting political lines http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1094/is_n2_v28/ai_13834930/surrealnumber5

Point 1: Charities could fix everything if the damn government just stopped being involved

Got any source for that because it seems like trillions of dollars is a little more then charities could provide, also numerous charities are less efficient then 1 large body like the government being able to allocate money and resources.

Point 2: Everybody had insurance until the government got involved.

I have not been able to find the statistic of 95% you said, however in 1954 the government passed incentives to employees and employers to help get people health insurance. (Government action leads to more people insured) The only statistic i could find that was close was that in 1958 just 4 years later only 75% of people had SOME form of private insurance, which seems odd that in just 4 years 20% lost their insurance coverage. This also does not indicate the quality of the insurance.

Point 3:Medicare and regulations led to increase costs in health care that are a direct result of government intervention

If government intervention was the only cause of increased health care costs why are more regulated countries have a significantly lower increase in health care costs, that just makes no sense if your point is that government intervention leads to health cost increases. The relatively free market of the U.S has faster increases in costs which helps proves the opposite of your point.

Mhm, yes, but we get charged a ridiculous amount of money at the "non-profit" colleges, too. l4dak47

The prices here in Canada are all dictated by the Government. Our best schools (University of Toronto, McGill University, and University of British Columbia) are all publically funded schools. Even the schools a tier below cost around the same. You won't see a school in Canada that costs more than 10k a year.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="Person0"] What didn't i address? Wow you really believe that? Look at other 1st world countries in the modern world right now, they all have some form of universal health care which have lower costs and most access to care. Showing that his point of reducing regulations is just wrong, also Health care is not like any other market due to the fact people die if they don't get treatment.

Person0

Point 1: Charities could fix everything if the damn government just stopped being involved Got any source for that because it seems like trillions of dollars is a little more then charities could provide, also numerous charities are less efficient then 1 large body like the government being able to allocate money and resources.

Point 2: Everybody had insurance until the government got involved. I have not been able to find the statistic of 95% you said, however in 1954 the government passed incentives to employees and employers to help get people health insurance. (Government action leads to more people insured) The only statistic i could find that was close was that in 1958 just 4 years later only 75% of people had SOME form of private insurance, which seems odd that in just 4 years 20% lost their insurance coverage. This also does not indicate the quality of the insurance.

Point 3:Medicare and regulations led to increase costs in health care that are a direct result of government intervention If government intervention was the only cause of increased health care costs why are more regulated countries have a significantly lower increase in health care costs, that just makes no sense if your point is that government intervention leads to health cost increases. The relatively free market of the U.S has faster increases in costs which helps proves the opposite of your point.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Mhm, yes, but we get charged a ridiculous amount of money at the "non-profit" colleges, too. Aljosa23

The prices here in Canada are all dictated by the Government. Our best schools (University of Toronto, McGill University, and University of British Columbia) are all publically funded schools. Even the schools a tier below cost around the same. You won't see a school in Canada that costs more than 10k a year.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Mhm, yes, but we get charged a ridiculous amount of money at the "non-profit" colleges, too. Aljosa23

The prices here in Canada are all dictated by the Government. Our best schools (University of Toronto, McGill University, and University of British Columbia) are all publically funded schools. Even the schools a tier below cost around the same. You won't see a school in Canada that costs more than 10k a year.

I would kill for 10 grand a year or less. l4dak47

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Mhm, yes, but we get charged a ridiculous amount of money at the "non-profit" colleges, too. l4dak47

The prices here in Canada are all dictated by the Government. Our best schools (University of Toronto, McGill University, and University of British Columbia) are all publically funded schools. Even the schools a tier below cost around the same. You won't see a school in Canada that costs more than 10k a year.

lol, mandated healthcare.

cool when it is in massachusetts and called romneycare.

socialist muslim nazi commie plot when it is nationwide and called obamacare.

how fuking silly are people?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I would kill for 10 grand a year or less. Ace6301

I would kill for 10 grand a year or less. Lucky bastard. As it stands now, if I go to a decent school, I'll probably rack up at least 50-80 grand at the end. At the Ivy League schools, it can easily run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. l4dak47

[QUOTE="Person0"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] so it is just like the food and waste disposal/treatment industries. it is just like any other industry. i cant tell that any of your posts are even directed at me as they are political talking points that do not relate to my argument what so ever. surrealnumber5

Point 1: Charities could fix everything if the damn government just stopped being involved Got any source for that because it seems like trillions of dollars is a little more then charities could provide, also numerous charities are less efficient then 1 large body like the government being able to allocate money and resources.

Point 2: Everybody had insurance until the government got involved. I have not been able to find the statistic of 95% you said, however in 1954 the government passed incentives to employees and employers to help get people health insurance. (Government action leads to more people insured) The only statistic i could find that was close was that in 1958 just 4 years later only 75% of people had SOME form of private insurance, which seems odd that in just 4 years 20% lost their insurance coverage. This also does not indicate the quality of the insurance.

Point 3:Medicare and regulations led to increase costs in health care that are a direct result of government intervention If government intervention was the only cause of increased health care costs why are more regulated countries have a significantly lower increase in health care costs, that just makes no sense if your point is that government intervention leads to health cost increases. The relatively free market of the U.S has faster increases in costs which helps proves the opposite of your point.

(While showing things like the housing crisis that can also be attributed to lax regulations)

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]High demand for post-secondary education in the US. People are expected now to go to University so the few spots that are available in the top-tier schools have ridiculously high prices, so naturally this trickles down into the lower-tier schools. Though I've heard the state-run schools aren't that bad.

The prices here in Canada are all dictated by the Government. Our best schools (University of Toronto, McGill University, and University of British Columbia) are all publically funded schools. Even the schools a tier below cost around the same. You won't see a school in Canada that costs more than 10k a year.

surrealnumber5

lol, mandated healthcare.

cool when it is in massachusetts and called romneycare.

socialist muslin nazi commie plot when it is nationwide and called obamacare.

how fuking silly are people?

Riverwolf007

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]I would kill for 10 grand a year or less. Lucky bastard. As it stands now, if I go to a decent school, I'll probably rack up at least 50-80 grand at the end. At the Ivy League schools, it can easily run into hundreds of thousands of dollars. Aljosa23