Do you hate -W A R- and -R E L I G I O N- (especially Islam)?

Why cant we all live peacefully and work together to progress in science and technology. War and Religion is all against progressing in my opinion.

For example, did you know we could have already been to the nearest earth like planet by now, it would take about 40 years to get to "Proxima Centauri" using something called nuclear pulse propulsiuon, NASA started researching spacecrafts which used this in 1950 and started building them few years later "The system appeared to be entirely workable when the project was shut down in 1965". Why was it shut down? Because of war,the main reason being given was that the Partial Test Ban Treaty made it illegal. With current technology, it would take 40,000 years to get there. What a JOKE, we have the technology but cant use it !

Now religion just stops economic progress, look at Muslim countries for example (most are poor), Saudia Arabia in an excellent example. it is so rich yet half the population is cut off from society (women), the country produces so few scientists and engineers per capita comapred to its GDP. It was only a few hundred years ago that the Catholic church was killing scientists for saying the earth is round !

Christians: No errors in Bible, so no need to change our religion. But there are errors in science !

Scientists: We admit there are some errors in our science, so we will fix them and improve.

This is my problem with religion.

Why cant we all live peacefully and work together to progress in science and technology. War and Religion is all against progressing in my opinion.

For example, did you know we could have already been to the nearest earth like planet by now, it would take about 40 years to get to "Proxima Centauri" using something called nuclear pulse propulsiuon, NASA started researching spacecrafts which used this in 1950 and started building them few years later "The system appeared to be entirely workable when the project was shut down in 1965". Why was it shut down? Becahse of war,the main reason being given was that the Partial Test Ban Treaty made it illegal.

Now religion just stops economic progress, look at Muslim countries for example (most are poor), Saudia Arabia in an excellent example. it is so rich yet half the population is cut off, the country produces so few scientists and engineers. It was only a few hundred years ago that the Catholic chirch was killing scientists for saying the earth is round !

cloud3601

your sig lied to me.

It's more than just religion. There are also social issues that limit progression. But sometimes purely unchecked progression may not be the best course either.

Actually the Church never killed scientists for saying that the world was round. In fact it had been known that the Earth was round since for more than 2,000 years.

The idea that medieval people believed in a flat Earth, and that the Catholic Church taught such a belief, is a myth rooted in the anti-Catholic and anti-medieval prejudices rooted of the "Enlightenment".

Actually the Church never killed scientists for saying that the world was round. In fact it had been known that the Earth was round since for more than 2,000 years.

The idea that medieval people believed in a flat Earth, and that the Catholic Church taught such a belief, is a myth rooted in the anti-Catholic and anti-medieval prejudices rooted of the "Enlightenment".

whipassmt

Your Catholic, so i expect you to say that the Catholic church never killed off scientists hundreds of years ago.

Denial is a important part of religion. Religion blocks its ears to criticism.

Christians: No errors in Bible, so no need to change our religion. But there are errors in science !

Scientists: We admit there are some errors in our science, so we will fix them and improve.

I would take science which accepts errors and fixes it, over religion anyday

I hate food too because if you eat too much you get obese.

I hate food too because if you eat too much you get obese.

Hatiko

Straw man arguement !

Horrible analogy. A better analogy would be: "I hate poisonous food, because its poisonous"

Because even moderate religion is dangerous and anti progressive for society. Muslims for example pray 5 times a day, not all Muslims are violent, the moderate ones also pray 5 times a day, wasting 1-2 hours a day (thats how long it takes to pray Fajr, Zuhr, magrib and Esha prayers), studies have shown that the economy loses a lot because of the time wasted on prayes (i read this some time ago)

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I hate food too because if you eat too much you get obese.

cloud3601

Straw man arguement !

Horrible analogy. A better analogy would be: "I hate poisonous foot, becaue its poisonous"

What is "poisonous foot", some kind of disease?

Nvm you edited

[QUOTE="Hatiko"]

I hate food too because if you eat too much you get obese.

cloud3601

Straw man arguement !

Horrible analogy. A better analogy would be: "I hate poisonous food, becaue its poisonous"

i hate war that is a result of religion mrmusicman247

So you dont hate War, or Religion on there own? if it isnt war that results from religion?

be more clear. war mongerers are a poison to society

Don't like the concept of war.

Religion is a farce, it is humanity's most embarrassing creation.

Don't like the concept of war.

Religion is a farce, it is humanity's most embarrassing creation.

paranoidpixie95

War should be avoided. It is a blight that serves no purpose other than to maim and destroy. With that said, if we were attacked or threatened, then we should take arms, defend ourselves, or even attack, in which case, declare war to protect our country and our way of life. I know what I said was somewhat contradictory but the thing is, War may be an ugly thing but the ugliest thing in the world is simply give up your rights and liberties and avoid justice just so you can avoid war.

As for religion, I'm not entire sure. I have no ill will to any specific religion.

Don't like the concept of war.

Religion is a farce, it is humanity's most embarrassing creation.

paranoidpixie95

Stimulating... Not really.

Stimulating... Not really.

ScorpionTroll

war - in my view - is sometimes necessary. really it is.

war, and the military, like it or not is a great engine for scientific progression, things like GPS and the internet came out of military projects, among many many other things we take for granted today in civilian life. The same goes for the space agency, which again, a lot of their tech has military application.

religion, well it depends on how much of a devout believer you are. Even innocous harmless religions - in Western eyes - like Christianity and Buddhism has more then a few examples of how it can go bad.

but it isn't simply religion alone that is 'holding' us back. and for that matter i think have some 'brakes' as it were is a good thing for humanity.

now i'm sure you'll like to argue specifics, or your gonna say it's a poor analogy, but it's one i think is important to think about.

to the young change always come too slow.

war - in my view - is sometimes necessary. really it is.

war, and the military, like it or not is a great engine for scientific progression, things like GPS and the internet came out of military projects, among many many other things we take for granted today in civilian life. The same goes for the space agency, which again, a lot of their tech has military application.

religion, well it depends on how much of a devout believer you are. Even innocous harmless religions - in Western eyes - like Christianity and Buddhism has more then a few examples of how it can go bad.

but it isn't simply religion alone that is 'holding' us back. and for that matter i think have some 'brakes' as it were is a good thing for humanity.

now i'm sure you'll like to argue specifics, or your gonna say it's a poor analogy, but it's one i think is important to think about.

to the young change always come too slow.

SaudiFury

is that a good brake in your opinion?

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Stimulating... Not really.

cloud3601

As a religious person I am not against science and am not a fan of war. However, I will admit to being fond of the word repent. Speaking of which, repent and such! mindstorm

your telling me to repent?

repent from what?? tell me, assuming orgnaised religion will take you to heaven, how do you know Chrstianity is the true religion over the other 10,000+ religions?

So you hate war not because it harms the population, but because it stands between you and Krypton.thebest31406

what do you mean by "because it stands between you and Krypton"

do you mean it stands between me and exploring space?

If so, then i will say that it is 1 of many many reaons why I hate war. I do however love positive competition between countries

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]As a religious person I am not against science and am not a fan of war. However, I will admit to being fond of the word repent. Speaking of which, repent and such! cloud3601

your telling me to repent?

repent from what?? tell me, assuming orgnaised religion will take you to heaven, how do you know Chrstianity is the true religion over the other 10,000+ religions?

As a former Muslim, I'm not fond of Islam at all. And while I don't mind it if people just practice their religions privately, I do detest religions that tend towards domination. It goes without saying that I also oppose war in general unless there's absolutely no choice.

War - sometimes necessary.

Religion - Completely unnecessary.

why do you keep changing the title.

original one was fine.

Your view of Christians would only represent a small part of Christinaity. Most Christians are not protestants nor do they hold to this completely literal intepretation of the Bible itself. There is a long tradition wtihin the church on how to interpret the bible. BUt no our beliefs do not change, in terms of theology about the nature of Christ, the church and his role in the world. No our theology has to remain consistent. If it changed you would claim that this proves Christinaity false and then have a reason to dismiss it.

Your view of Christians would only represent a small part of Christinaity. Most Christians are not protestants nor do they hold to this completely literal intepretation of the Bible itself. There is a long tradition wtihin the church on how to interpret the bible. BUt no our beliefs do not change, in terms of theology about the nature of Christ, the church and his role in the world. No our theology has to remain consistent. If it changed you would claim that this proves Christinaity false and then have a reason to dismiss it.

Philokalia

You do realize that years of tradition and theology prove nothing?

junglist101

I beg to differ, early Christian tradition within the Ante Nicene fathers are extremely valuable as for determining early history of Christian thought and movement.

I am definitely against war unless it is a last resort. It is a waste of money, and human lives. However, much like mindstorm I can't very well be against religion when I am religious. I will freely admit that religious texts have often been twisted or interpreted to suit the needs of tyrants and killers, which is a terrible shame.

I hate peasthemajormayor

Both processed and frozen? Can't beat frozen or fresh ones.

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You do realize that years of tradition and theology prove nothing?

Philokalia

I beg to differ, early Christian tradition within the Ante Nicene fathers are extremely valuable as for determining early history of Christian thought and movement.

[QUOTE="Philokalia"]

[QUOTE="junglist101"]

You do realize that years of tradition and theology prove nothing?

junglist101

I beg to differ, early Christian tradition within the Ante Nicene fathers are extremely valuable as for determining early history of Christian thought and movement.

Christianity changes all the time, the catholic chuch has removed entire planes of existance from doctrine for gods sake.

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Actually the Church never killed scientists for saying that the world was round. In fact it had been known that the Earth was round since for more than 2,000 years.

The idea that medieval people believed in a flat Earth, and that the Catholic Church taught such a belief, is a myth rooted in the anti-Catholic and anti-medieval prejudices rooted of the "Enlightenment".

cloud3601

Your Catholic, so i expect you to say that the Catholic church never killed off scientists hundreds of years ago.

Denial is a important part of religion. Religion blocks its ears to criticism.

Christians: No errors in Bible, so no need to change our religion. But there are errors in science !

Scientists: We admit there are some errors in our science, so we will fix them and improve.

I would take science which accepts errors and fixes it, over religion anyday

funny how people hate islam being backwards while we managed to save your asses in the dark ages....

funny how people hate islam being backwards while we managed to save your asses in the dark ages....

punkpunker

funny how people hate islam being backwards while we managed to save your asses in the dark ages....

punkpunker

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funny how people hate islam being backwards while we managed to save your asses in the dark ages....

shadowkiller11

that is my point exactly, religious arguement are nothing but a dead end and my statments just adds more fuel for the hate.