Do you hate -W A R- and -R E L I G I O N- (especially Islam)?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] and many do.

GrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] And many that don't use their holy book as justification.LJS9502_basic

we Muslims don't have a leader, the whole concept of having a leader was destroyed by the British during the 1920's (ish) and all attempts to restore the whole concept of a leadership is being prevented every day...

GrayF0X786

What's an Imam?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

we Muslims don't have a leader, the whole concept of having a leader was destroyed by the British during the 1920's (ish) and all attempts to restore the whole concept of a leadership is being prevented every day...

RationalAtheist

What's an Imam?

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

we Muslims don't have a leader, the whole concept of having a leader was destroyed by the British during the 1920's (ish) and all attempts to restore the whole concept of a leadership is being prevented every day...

GrayF0X786

What's an Imam?

So Muslims do have leaders? Not all Imams try and live life peacefully. Are you confusing religion with world politics now?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

What's an Imam?

RationalAtheist

So Muslims do have leaders? Not all Imams try and live life peacefully. Are you confusing religion with world politics now?

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] whats an imam? some guy who sits in the Masjid preaching and trying to live his life peacefully, an imam compared to a "Caliph" incharge of a 57 inslamic states of today, an imam is nothing.

GrayF0X786

So Muslims do have leaders? Not all Imams try and live life peacefully. Are you confusing religion with world politics now?

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

So Muslims do have leaders? Not all Imams try and live life peacefully. Are you confusing religion with world politics now?

FMAB_GTO

we have small community leaders yes, someone who can lead prayers in the masjid, what we don't have, is someone who can lead this.

GrayF0X786

So what? Why is this necessary? Why blame the 1920's British for this?

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] we have small community leaders yes, someone who can lead prayers in the masjid, what we don't have, is someone who can lead this.

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

we have small community leaders yes, someone who can lead prayers in the masjid, what we don't have, is someone who can lead this.

RationalAtheist

So what? Why is this necessary? Why blame the 1920's British for this?

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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

we have small community leaders yes, someone who can lead prayers in the masjid, what we don't have, is someone who can lead this.

GrayF0X786

So what? Why is this necessary? Why blame the 1920's British for this?

Are you saying that you want global Islamic caliphate? Wouldn't you put the demise of the Ottoman empire down to other reasons? Your view of history seems rather biased, as already reflected elsewhere in this thread.

[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Then I guess they have to be educated as they are performing a great sinLJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Allthishate"] Dont bother with him. Im a proud american Muslim convert. The guy you are trying to argue with is either bible belt south or trailer trash. biest opinion that he tries to claim as fact. What he considers foreign knowledge or news is whats out side of his county let alone the state. Just move on hes either a very bad troll or a religious zelot. Allthishate

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[QUOTE="RationalAtheist"]

So what? Why is this necessary? Why blame the 1920's British for this?

RationalAtheist

Are you saying that you want global Islamic caliphate? Wouldn't you put the demise of the Ottoman empire down to other reasons? Your view of history seems rather biased, as already reflected elsewhere in this thread.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] how many from the 1.7 Billion Muslims?

GrayF0X786

you think im blaming it all on the British gov? the main reason the caliphate failed was becuase of the division of the 3 MAIN states between Turk, Arab and Persian, we forget we are all Muslims, instead we are just seperated and loyal to the plot of land we are on...

GrayF0X786

I'm only going by what you stated. Also, I'm not sure everyone in Turkey, Persia or Arabia was Muslim at that time.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

you think im blaming it all on the British gov? the main reason the caliphate failed was becuase of the division of the 3 MAIN states between Turk, Arab and Persian, we forget we are all Muslims, instead we are just seperated and loyal to the plot of land we are on...

RationalAtheist

I'm only going by what you stated. Also, I'm not sure everyone in Turkey, Persia or Arabia was Muslim at that time.

I might convert to Islam. So I don't hate it that much. themajormayor

Beer

Bacon

B!tches not clothed from head to toe

I might convert to Islam. So I don't hate it that much. themajormayor

I think he is talking about government, and the fact that the majority of people were Muslim, some were Shia ,but they were all Muslims per se. that said, Islam failed in uniting them (you would find it interesting,but Ive seen Sunnis who dislike Shias almost as much as they dislike non Muslims)Darkman2007

They were not all Muslims per se. There were Christians in Turkey, for example. I asked him if he was confusing religion with politics, but didn;t get an answer. It souded to me like he wanted a global Islamic calliphate.I am already well aware of the different forms of Islam and the hatred that some sections have for others.

It is interesting how you say Sunni Muslims would dislike non-Muslims. It does show the intolerance of the faith.

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Beer

Bacon

B!tches not clothed from head to toe

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]I might convert to Islam. So I don't hate it that much. l4dak47

War will happen regardless if religion is involved or not. WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korean Conflict, and plenty more wars had nothing to do with religion. Religion can also inspire people to do good and make progress. Martin Luther King Jr was very religious and look how he changed the world?

Also funny how you mention Islam, considering that it was the Arabs (many of whom are Muslim) who were very skilled and made progress with math and science in the ancient world.

Oppression and tryanny are what hold back progress. The belief that only your way of thinking is right and the will to get rid of others, which is exactly what TC is suggesting.

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

you think im blaming it all on the British gov? the main reason the caliphate failed was becuase of the division of the 3 MAIN states between Turk, Arab and Persian, we forget we are all Muslims, instead we are just seperated and loyal to the plot of land we are on...

RationalAtheist

I'm only going by what you stated. Also, I'm not sure everyone in Turkey, Persia or Arabia was Muslim at that time.

War will happen regardless if religion is involved or not. WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korean Conflict, and plenty more wars had nothing to do with religion. Religion can also inspire people to do good and make progress. Martin Luther King Jr was very religious and look how he changed the world?

Also funny how you mention Islam, considering that it was the Arabs (many of whom are Muslim) who were very skilled and made progress with math and science in the ancient world.

Oppression and tryanny are what hold back progress. The belief that only your way of thinking is right and the will to get rid of others, which is exactly what TC is suggesting.

ShadowMoses900

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] [QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]I might convert to Islam. So I don't hate it that much. themajormayor

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"] wutGrayF0X786

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Not for religious reasons. For girl reasons themajormayor

r u just going to stand there and take it?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] well then your gonna fail on both levels unless she can teach you and open your heart if you're willing to learn, if not, you're chasing grapes which you'll never reach.

coolbeans90

r u just going to stand there and take it?

I don't even know what he's talking about. What grapes??

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Not for religious reasons. For girl reasons themajormayor

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] watthemajormayor

r u just going to stand there and take it?

I don't even know what he's talking about. What grapes??

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"] watthemajormayor

r u just going to stand there and take it?

I don't even know what he's talking about. What grapes??

Are you scared?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"] well then your gonna fail on both levels unless she can teach you and open your heart if you're willing to learn, if not, you're chasing grapes which you'll never reach.

GrayF0X786

Also grapes => wine, which means he was calling you an apostate or something.

Alcohol: Proof that Islam is not God's religion.

Q.E.D.

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

r u just going to stand there and take it?

coolbeans90

I don't even know what he's talking about. What grapes??

Are you scared?

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]I might convert to Islam. So I don't hate it that much. l4dak47

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]

I don't even know what he's talking about. What grapes??

themajormayor

Are you scared?

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

War will happen regardless if religion is involved or not. WW1, WW2, Vietnam, Korean Conflict, and plenty more wars had nothing to do with religion. Religion can also inspire people to do good and make progress. Martin Luther King Jr was very religious and look how he changed the world?

Also funny how you mention Islam, considering that it was the Arabs (many of whom are Muslim) who were very skilled and made progress with math and science in the ancient world.

Oppression and tryanny are what hold back progress. The belief that only your way of thinking is right and the will to get rid of others, which is exactly what TC is suggesting.

GrayF0X786

Why not?

I don't hate arabs or muslims.....I don't know why you would think this. Just because I believe in Israel doesn't mean I hate arabs or muslims. :?

Oh my, Grayfox uses such vivid metaphorspie-junior

Oh my, Grayfox uses such vivid metaphorspie-junior

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Are you scared?

Darkman2007

Does she wear a hijab?pie-junior