Do you hate -W A R- and -R E L I G I O N- (especially Islam)?

[QUOTE="FMAB_GTO"][QUOTE="MAZ85"] wasting 1-2 hours a day (thats how long it takes to pray Fajr, Zuhr, magrib and Esha prayers)MAZ85

[QUOTE="tocool340"]Why the fawk would you put islam in the title as if they're the only religion doing dumb sh1t? You had it right the first time by simply having religion in general...GIJames248

I think because of the major religions Islam is the one most proactively doing awful things. You could get onto some other religions for maybe having some bad ideas and wacky followers, but they aren't bombing people or raiding embassies.

Religion likely stops more wars than it makes and helps science greatly. I don't buy the whole "religion impedes science" malarky. Science is full of lies more than religion is anyway...theories presented as facts and such. Religion is at least backed up by human eyewitnesses.

narlymech

I actually thought you were serious for a second there XD

This thread is so stupid that i facepalm. Islam or Id say not a single religion allow killing. ppls do it themselves. thats it. non religious ppls are really idiots.SNIPER4321

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Religion and beliefs are the cause of war so yes I hate religion.narlymech

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]This thread is so stupid that i facepalm. Islam or Id say not a single religion allow killing. ppls do it themselves. thats it. non religious ppls are really idiots.cloud3601

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

LMAO, Islam IS AGAINT KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS

9/11 was done as an INSIDE JOB. And even if , Bin Ladin did it, he did it because of Palestine and you can't judge a faith of 2 billion from a few Arabs living in caves. You are taking things out of context:

1) Jihad DOES NOT refer to Holy War, but INTERNAL STRUGGLE.

2) Quran 2:126 doesn't have the word "Jihad" in the Arabic version. Its "fighting in Allah's cause" and that verse was revealed was because the pagans were attacking the Muslims due to Islam getting popular, READ THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Which is why it is instructed to DEFEND YOURSELF, not kill innocents. Fighting is only permissable if you were persecuted, so Muslims have the right to defend themselves from oppression to establish justice.

3) Same as 1 and 2

4) Same as 1 and 2

[QUOTE="MAZ85"][QUOTE="cloud3601"]

1) On friday Muslim men go to Jummah (friday prayers), which takes 1 hour (there are at least 10 rakats that need to be prayed), on top of this it takes Muslims about 10-20 mins to just get out of the mosque because of how full it is, after the Imam has led the prayer, he usually does a long prayer which lasts 10+mins = 1 hour minimum in total wasted

2) Fajr prayer=10 mins wasted, praying Fajr at mosque (which religious muslims do)=20 mins wasted

3) Zuhr Prayer=20 mins, praying at mosque = 45 mins 1 wasted

4) asr prayer=15mins, praying at mosque=25 mins wasted

5) magrib prayer=10 mins, praying at mosque=30 mins wasted

6) esha prayer=20 mins, praying at mosque=45 mins wasted.

In total 2 hours and 15 mins is wasted by moderate Muslims, and for religious muslims who go to mosque and pray, they waste at least 3 hours and 50 mins.

Furthermore, takin gaps to pray makes you stop concetrating from what you were doing/working on.

Such waste is terrible for the efficency of the society and economy !

cloud3601

What if i do? You going to hunt me down and kill me in honour of your prophet?

Even wasting 1 second on praying is a waste.

Muhammad was truly a terrorist and there is so much evidence to back this up

War makes some pretty good movies and games

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

SNIPER4321

LMAO, Islam IS AGAINT KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS

9/11 was done as an INSIDE JOB. And even if , Bin Ladin did it, he did it because of Palestine and you can't judge a faith of 2 billion from a few Arabs living in caves. You are taking things out of context:

1) Jihad DOES NOT refer to Holy War, but INTERNAL STRUGGLE.

2) Quran 2:126 doesn't have the word "Jihad" in the Arabic version. Its "fighting in Allah's cause" and that verse was revealed was because the pagans were attacking the Muslims due to Islam getting popular, READ THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Which is why it is instructed to DEFEND YOURSELF, not kill innocents. Fighting is only permissable if you were persecuted, so Muslims have the right to defend themselves from oppression to establish justice.

3) Same as 1 and 2

4) Same as 1 and 2

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]This thread is so stupid that i facepalm. Islam or Id say not a single religion allow killing. ppls do it themselves. thats it. non religious ppls are really idiots.cloud3601

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

... you really have no idea what a jihad is do you? Please google the definition and read the wiki page before posting more provocative dribble.

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]This thread is so stupid that i facepalm. Islam or Id say not a single religion allow killing. ppls do it themselves. thats it. non religious ppls are really idiots.oldmanriver1

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

... you really have no idea what a jihad is do you? Please google the definition and read the wiki page before posting more provocative dribble.

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]This thread is so stupid that i facepalm. Islam or Id say not a single religion allow killing. ppls do it themselves. thats it. non religious ppls are really idiots.LastRambo341

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

LMAO, Islam IS AGAINT KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS

9/11 was done as an INSIDE JOB. And even if , Bin Ladin did it, he did it because of Palestine and you can't judge a faith of 2 billion from a few Arabs living in caves. You are taking things out of context:

1) Jihad DOES NOT refer to Holy War, but INTERNAL STRUGGLE.

2) Quran 2:126 doesn't have the word "Jihad" in the Arabic version. Its "fighting in Allah's cause" and that verse was revealed was because the pagans were attacking the Muslims due to Islam getting popular, READ THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Which is why it is instructed to DEFEND YOURSELF, not kill innocents. Fighting is only permissable if you were persecuted, so Muslims have the right to defend themselves from oppression to establish justice.

3) Same as 1 and 2

4) Same as 1 and 2

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

[QUOTE="MAZ85"] so don't bring this up againLastRambo341

What if i do? You going to hunt me down and kill me in honour of your prophet?

Even wasting 1 second on praying is a waste.

Muhammad was truly a terrorist and there is so much evidence to back this up

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="cloud3601"]

What if i do? You going to hunt me down and kill me in honour of your prophet?

Even wasting 1 second on praying is a waste.

Muhammad was truly a terrorist and there is so much evidence to back this up

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]

The reason the 9/11 attacks and other attacks happen is because Islam praises violence so much. Muslims must reject teachings like these before we can make progress to fix this problem.

(1)"The command to participate in jihad and the mention of its merits occur innumerable times in the Koran and the Sunna. Therefore it is the best voluntary [religious] act that man can perform. All scholars agree that it is better than the hajj(greater pilgrimage) and the umra(lesser pilgrimage), than voluntary salat and coluntary fasting, as the Koran and Sunna indicate. The Prophet, Peace be upon him, has said, "The head of the affair is Islam, its central pillar is the salat and its summit is the jihad."
[Ibn Taimiyyah, The Religious and Moral Doctrine On Jihad]

(2)"Fighting is good for you, but you (muslims) dislike it, it maybe that you like a thing which is bad for you but dislike a thing which is good for you. Allah knoweth and you knoweth not"
[Quran 2:216]

(3)"Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." The messenger of Allah replied, "I do not find such a deed."
[Sahih Bukhari 4:52:44]

(4)"One who dies but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihad dies the death of a hypocrite. "
[Sahih Muslim 2:4696]

LJS9502_basic

LMAO, Islam IS AGAINT KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS

9/11 was done as an INSIDE JOB. And even if , Bin Ladin did it, he did it because of Palestine and you can't judge a faith of 2 billion from a few Arabs living in caves. You are taking things out of context:

1) Jihad DOES NOT refer to Holy War, but INTERNAL STRUGGLE.

2) Quran 2:126 doesn't have the word "Jihad" in the Arabic version. Its "fighting in Allah's cause" and that verse was revealed was because the pagans were attacking the Muslims due to Islam getting popular, READ THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Which is why it is instructed to DEFEND YOURSELF, not kill innocents. Fighting is only permissable if you were persecuted, so Muslims have the right to defend themselves from oppression to establish justice.

3) Same as 1 and 2

4) Same as 1 and 2

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

LMAO, Islam IS AGAINT KILLINGS OF INNOCENTS

9/11 was done as an INSIDE JOB. And even if , Bin Ladin did it, he did it because of Palestine and you can't judge a faith of 2 billion from a few Arabs living in caves. You are taking things out of context:

1) Jihad DOES NOT refer to Holy War, but INTERNAL STRUGGLE.

2) Quran 2:126 doesn't have the word "Jihad" in the Arabic version. Its "fighting in Allah's cause" and that verse was revealed was because the pagans were attacking the Muslims due to Islam getting popular, READ THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT. Which is why it is instructed to DEFEND YOURSELF, not kill innocents. Fighting is only permissable if you were persecuted, so Muslims have the right to defend themselves from oppression to establish justice.

3) Same as 1 and 2

4) Same as 1 and 2

LastRambo341

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Rewriting history now? Mohammed and his followers did fight. And I don't mean pillow fighting. So I'm sure some people were hurt dude....LJS9502_basic

rambo, why teaching ignorant a lesson? leave it.SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]rambo, why teaching ignorant a lesson? leave it.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SNIPER4321"]rambo, why teaching ignorant a lesson? leave it.LastRambo341

Why im not voilent person? why i dont fire a weapons since I am a big FPS nut. and hardcore PC gamer. Why? i never fire a single gun irl??SNIPER4321

[QUOTE="MAZ85"][QUOTE="cloud3601"]

Straw man arguement !

Horrible analogy. A better analogy would be: "I hate poisonous food, because its poisonous"

Because even moderate religion is dangerous and anti progressive for society. Muslims for example pray 5 times a day, not all Muslims are violent, the moderate ones also pray 5 times a day, wasting 1-2 hours a day (thats how long it takes to pray Fajr, Zuhr, magrib and Esha prayers), studies have shown that the economy loses a lot because of the time wasted on prayes (i read this some time ago)

cloud3601

1) On friday Muslim men go to Jummah (friday prayers), which takes 1 hour (there are at least 10 rakats that need to be prayed), on top of this it takes Muslims about 10-20 mins to just get out of the mosque because of how full it is, after the Imam has led the prayer, he usually does a long prayer which lasts 10+mins = 1 hour minimum in total wasted

2) Fajr prayer=10 mins wasted, praying Fajr at mosque (which religious muslims do)=20 mins wasted

3) Zuhr Prayer=20 mins, praying at mosque = 45 mins 1 wasted

4) asr prayer=15mins, praying at mosque=25 mins wasted

5) magrib prayer=10 mins, praying at mosque=30 mins wasted

6) esha prayer=20 mins, praying at mosque=45 mins wasted.

In total 2 hours and 15 mins is wasted by moderate Muslims, and for religious muslims who go to mosque and pray, they waste at least 3 hours and 50 mins.

Furthermore, takin gaps to pray makes you stop concetrating from what you were doing/working on.

Such waste is terrible for the efficency of the society and economy !

[QUOTE="cloud3601"]m25105

[QUOTE="m25105"][QUOTE="cloud3601"]LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]lol Dude I'm not getting into a religion argument with you. I don't believe Mohammed was a prophet but hey whatever...it's your faith not mine. I do, however, not like seeing you rewrite history to fit said religion. Makes me wonder if the reality of said religion would shake your faith.LJS9502_basic

Islam is not a new religion, it did not come 1400 years ago.

Islam means acquiring peace by submitting to God. Muhammad was not the founder of Islam, but the last and final messenger.

All prophets, including Muhammad, preached the exact same message.

If you wanna be disrespectful by calling my prophet a "liar" and his message "backwards" then don't bother replying. Its pretty rude to go to someone and state that his/her religion is full of lies. You're not God to judge that. Stop using your personal beliefs in everything

Can't say I care for both, but one is something I might have to go do as part of my job one day, and the other I just don't bother with.

I seriously don't ever want to, I'd rather not have to sit in the desert for six months wondering if I'm going to have my legs blown off tommorow.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="LastRambo341"] Well, Muhammad neevr said a lie ;), even his enemies said he never lied. So he was truthful in his message. I don't believe Jesus was God since he was merely a prophet I'm not rewriting history, but telling the true historyLastRambo341

Islam is not a new religion, it did not come 1400 years ago.

Islam means acquiring peace by submitting to God. Muhammad was not the founder of Islam, but the last and final messenger.

All prophets, including Muhammad, preached the exact same message.

If you wanna be disrespectful by calling my prophet a "liar" and his message "backwards" then don't bother replying. Its pretty rude to go to someone and state that his/her religion is full of lies. You're not God to judge that. Stop using your personal beliefs in everything

Well, Muhammad neevr said a lie ;), even his enemies said he never lied.LastRambo341

Just as you cannot prove that I am not a liar, so you cannot prove that Muhammad wasn't a liar.