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The Bible has proven to be the most accurte historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.blackregiment

Give this book a spin. It deals with most everything Jesus was reported to have done in the Bible, then evaluates them for accuracy and whether or not they jive with historical fact.

If you don't want to purchase it, here's a quick overview:

Your trusty 'ole Bible is looking a tad unreliable.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And what is the importance of that to your reading of the Bible? :oGabuEx

Oh, no, I'm saying that its importance is for those watching certain evangelical types preach hellfire and brimstone. ;)

I maintain that important events are historically proven, such as the death of christ, the baptism, Paul's journey, Jesus's ministry. But certainly not all of it has been proven, that is a given.123625

Care to clarify? I am sorry but one of the "usual crowd" doesn't get your point. These verses have nothing to do with the Gospel of salvation in Christ, they are a warning against the scribes which were hypocrites..

blackregiment

I have clarified before with regards to my reading of the Bible, but given the fruitlessness of such endeavors in the past, I don't really see the point in discussing it further; people will believe what they will believe.

[QUOTE="123625"]I maintain that important events are historically proven, such as the death of christ, the baptism, Paul's journey, Jesus's ministry. But certainly not all of it has been proven, that is a given.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Indeed?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.aspfoxhound_fox

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
Please, make with the sources. What you just said is as much a baseless assertion as a religion.

As far as I understand, no respectable scientific institution has ever published any material that has proven anything in the Bible to be true. There may be some historical references to names and places but most of it does not correspond with actual science and history.tycoonmike

The Bible has proven to be the most accurate historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.

(Twenty or so links)

And how about something from Yale or Harvard or Cambridge or Oxford? Or maybe any credible educational or research institution that doesn't have words like God, Bible, Faith, or anything that implies religion?

If you take the time to read some of the articles, you will find that very respected archaeologists made the discoveries. The mistake you are making is thinking the sites reporting them actually did the research. Oh and by the way, it is a logical fallacy to assume that just because people are of faith, that they cannot posess the truth. If you want to play by those rules, then we will have to exclude all secular sources as well.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Indeed?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.aspCrushmaster

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

The Bible has proven to be the most accurate historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.

(Twenty or so links)

blackregiment

And how about something from Yale or Harvard or Cambridge or Oxford? Or maybe any credible educational or research institution that doesn't have words like God, Bible, Faith, or anything that implies religion?

If you take the time to read some of the articles, you will find that very respected archaeologists made the discoveries. The mistake you are making is thinking the sites reporting them actually did the research. Oh and by the way, it is a logical fallacy to assume that just because people are of faith, that they cannot posess the truth. If you want to play by those rules, then we will have to exclude all secular sources as well.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]The Bible has proven to be the most accurte historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.RadBooley

Give this book a spin. It deals with most everything Jesus was reported to have done in the Bible, then evaluates them for accuracy and whether or not they jive with historical fact.

If you don't want to purchase it, here's a quick overview:

Your trusty 'ole Bible is looking a tad unreliable.

I have done a great deal of research on the Jesus Seminar and know, who they are, and what their motives were. No thanks.

Anything I or you post is going to be biased in one way or another. Besides that, how does that invalidate what they are saying? You should at least look at the article. Here are some from the Institute for Creation Research: http://www.icr.org/article/504/http://www.icr.org/article/520/Crushmaster

[QUOTE="RadBooley"]

[QUOTE="blackregiment"]The Bible has proven to be the most accurte historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.blackregiment

Give this book a spin. It deals with most everything Jesus was reported to have done in the Bible, then evaluates them for accuracy and whether or not they jive with historical fact.

If you don't want to purchase it, here's a quick overview:

Your trusty 'ole Bible is looking a tad unreliable.

I have done a great deal of research on the Jesus Seminar and know, who they are, and what their motives were. No thanks.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Crushmaster"]Indeed?
http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/4168.aspCrushmaster

"Institute for Creation Research" Seriously? And would any of them happen to have a geology degree?

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

The Bible has proven to be the most accurate historical book ever written. If you would like to explore some of the archaeological discoveries that confirm the Bible, here's a few.

(Twenty or so links)

blackregiment

And how about something from Yale or Harvard or Cambridge or Oxford? Or maybe any credible educational or research institution that doesn't have words like God, Bible, Faith, or anything that implies religion?

If you take the time to read some of the articles, you will find that very respected archaeologists made the discoveries. The mistake you are making is thinking the sites reporting them actually did the research. Oh and by the way, it is a logical fallacy to assume that just because people are of faith, that they cannot posess the truth. If you want to play by those rules, then we will have to exclude all secular sources as well.

You're absolutely right, it is a logical fallacy. That doesn't stop the website that publishes the results from skewing them so that they seem right, though. I will retract my original argument if you can show me similar reports that were published by a university. Insofar, you have not done so.

Blackregiment:

Why did you ignore my post? Is it because I made such a great point that you don't feel the need to take the time to type a response? That is what your silence implies.harashawn

You're not the only one feeling left out here. I tried to get everyone to find some common grounds in a post about a page back and I bet everyone skimmed over it.

Why do I even bother sometimes...

OK, then here is my question, and indeed harashawn's question: Can you prove empirically, without using any religious source whatsoever, that Christianity is the one true faith? tycoonmike

Crush and Black, creationisn is not needed to be beleived in inorder to be christian. It was not written by God.123625

One that isn't religious in any way. tycoonmike

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"]One that isn't religious in any way. Crushmaster

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="RadBooley"]

Give this book a spin. It deals with most everything Jesus was reported to have done in the Bible, then evaluates them for accuracy and whether or not they jive with historical fact.

If you don't want to purchase it, here's a quick overview:

Your trusty 'ole Bible is looking a tad unreliable.

Funky_Llama

I have done a great deal of research on the Jesus Seminar and know, who they are, and what their motives were. No thanks.

No, they can write whatever they want. I have researched the biographies and writing of that group and I do not accept their theories.

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] OK, then here is my question, and indeed harashawn's question: Can you prove empirically, without using any religious source whatsoever, that Christianity is the one true faith? Crushmaster

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] OK, then here is my question, and indeed harashawn's question: Can you prove empirically, without using any religious source whatsoever, that Christianity is the one true faith? Crushmaster

"The fact that it changes lives more positively than any other belief system?" How about those who died during the Crusades? How about the native populations that were decimated by European colonisation? How about the discrimination of Protestants by the Catholics?

It's simple really. All I have to do is not die, and then I won't have any chance of going to Hell. I don't get why no one else thought of this before.Blood-Scribe

Institute for Creation Research" Seriously? And would any of them happen to have a geology degree? _glatisant_

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I have done a great deal of research on the Jesus Seminar and know, who they are, and what their motives were. No thanks.

blackregiment

No, they can write whatever they want. I have researched the biographies and writing of that group and I do not accept their theories.

And the Christian websites don't ever do that?

[QUOTE="tycoonmike"] OK, then here is my question, and indeed harashawn's question: Can you prove empirically, without using any religious source whatsoever, that Christianity is the one true faith? Crushmaster

so the bible is right and all other religions and beliefs are wrong because more people believe in it

Crush and Black, creationisn is not needed to be beleived in inorder to be christian. It was not written by God.123625

You are free to believe that if you wish. Jesus, the Creator, confirmed a literal Adam and Eve. To accept your premise one would have to believe that Jesus was a liar. God cannot lie.

You just admitted there that Jesus started christianity, this means he was not a normal person, so he must have done things in order to get such popularity, such as a ministry of sorts. I seriously think you shouldn't undermine the historical truth of the bible. Do you doubt the existence of Paul? The crucifiction of christ which is attested by two non biblical sources?123625

Anything I or you post is going to be biased in one way or another. Besides that, how does that invalidate what they are saying? You should at least look at the article. Here are some from the Institute for Creation Research: http://www.icr.org/article/504/http://www.icr.org/article/520/Crushmaster

[QUOTE="123625"]Crush and Black, creationisn is not needed to be beleived in inorder to be christian. It was not written by God.blackregiment

You are free to believe that if you wish. Jesus, the Creator, confirmed a literal Adam and Eve. To accept your premise one would have to believe that Jesus was a liar. God cannot lie.

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="tycoonmike"]One that isn't religious in any way. Funky_Llama

How 'bout this instead. If we are going to post sources, lets post sources form legitimate peer reviewed journals relative to the topic at hand. For instance, if someone wants to make a claim about geology, they can back up their claim with a source from the journal published by the Geological Society of America. That way, because its peer reviewed, nobody can claim religious bias.

[QUOTE="123625"]Crush and Black, creationisn is not needed to be beleived in inorder to be christian. It was not written by God.blackregiment

You are free to believe that if you wish. Jesus, the Creator, confirmed a literal Adam and Eve. To accept your premise one would have to believe that Jesus was a liar. God cannot lie.

Not necessarily. And yes, biased sources are less reliable because their bias clouds their judgment of the facts.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]It's simple really. All I have to do is not die, and then I won't have any chance of going to Hell. I don't get why no one else thought of this before.Funky_Llama

See, that's why you should all just listen to me. That way, you'll be super cool, and you won't die, and it'll be awesome.

Those two pages are full of assumption and speculation. They don't cite any valid sources or experiments to support their baseless claims and I seriously doubt they were submitted for peer review.Frattracide

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"] Institute for Creation Research" Seriously? And would any of them happen to have a geology degree? Crushmaster

I wonder if they got their degrees from the same "school" as Kent Hovend.

Out of curiosity, what would you consider a "valid" source?Crushmaster

[QUOTE="Crushmaster"][QUOTE="_glatisant_"] Institute for Creation Research" Seriously? And would any of them happen to have a geology degree? Ingenemployee

I wonder if they got their degrees from the same "school" as Kent Hovend.

Isn't that the place where you can get a degree in Truthology?

[QUOTE="_glatisant_"] Institute for Creation Research" Seriously? And would any of them happen to have a geology degree? Crushmaster

I should have added "of greater authenticity than Kent Hovind's". Oh, and further inacurracies are the wildly contradictory birth narratives, starting with the genealogies. Also, historically, we can almost certainly say the census forcing Joseph to go to Bethlehem is BS.

"The fact that it changes lives more positively than any other belief system?" How about those who died during the Crusades? How about the native populations that were decimated by European colonisation? How about the discrimination of Protestants by the Catholics? tycoonmike

[QUOTE="123625"]You just admitted there that Jesus started christianity, this means he was not a normal person, so he must have done things in order to get such popularity, such as a ministry of sorts. I seriously think you shouldn't undermine the historical truth of the bible. Do you doubt the existence of Paul? The crucifiction of christ which is attested by two non biblical sources?foxhound_fox

I'm not saying the supernatural claims are supported, only the major events, the ministry, the baptism, and the death. There is no reason to deny that Jesus had a ministry.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="blackregiment"]

I have done a great deal of research on the Jesus Seminar and know, who they are, and what their motives were. No thanks.

blackregiment

No, they can write whatever they want. I have researched the biographies and writing of that group and I do not accept their theories.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Wait, wait, wait... so now you're complaining about bias? :lol:tycoonmike

No, they can write whatever they want. I have researched the biographies and writing of that group and I do not accept their theories.

And the Christian websites don't ever do that?

Did I say that? You are free to reject anything you wish and so am I. Rather than just attempt to discredit the sources of the mountain of links I provided, why don' t you provide a like number of links to archaeological evidence from secular sources that disproves a person, place, or event listed in the Bible. That's the way to approach it. I am not here to do your research for you. I have done mine and am certain of my beliefs.

[QUOTE="blackregiment"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Wait, wait, wait... so now you're complaining about bias? :lol:Funky_Llama

No, they can write whatever they want. I have researched the biographies and writing of that group and I do not accept their theories.

To discredit the Word of God.