Hareidi society really isn't as crazy as it's made out to be. I'm not denying that some sects are (or even sects within those sects), but a large number of us are all BT.

I mean, just a few weeks back, there was a video circulating of two Breslovers -- Aryeh and Gil Gat -- going on some Israeli talent show and performing Simon and Garfunkel.

I'm not sure whether anything would work at this point, to be honest.

As in, what I feel may work from a pragmatic standpoint, is somewhat in conflict with my ideology.

I'm not sure what your question is. We ARE normal religious Jews -- whoever said we weren't?

The only difference between us and the MO are that MO for the most part see the secular world as something that can be used to supplement their religiosity, whereas we see it as a necessary evil and try to avoid it (though you'll see that as a BT, I'm not doing so well with that).

This, pretty much.

Hareidim are in Eretz Yisroel for the same reason Hareidim can be found in the US, UK, France, etc. They're born there. As to why some Hareidim make Aliyah, just because one opposes the State, doesn't mean one can't live there. I disagree with Obama on practically everything, but I can still live in the US.

Regarding Hareidim MKs, that's because not every Hareidi believes in the complete boycott of Israel -- all Hareidim Robbonim I know think Neturei Karta are crazy. Most Hareidim, anti-Zionist or not, have no issues against voting, because abstaining from voting does nothing. So naturally, there'll be some Hareidim who will join Knesset so that Hareidim have someone to vote for.

And there are Hareidi Dati Leumi -- CharDaL -- so that's why you know of Hareidim in IDF.

Hareidim have been in the Land way before the State was founded.

I oppose the State of Israel, but at the same time, I do not support or agree with the hypocritical stance of many anti-semites regarding Israel, hence my post above pointing it out.

@Hiddai: I'm Hareidi Non-Zionist.

Ok, so I'm non-Zionist (anti-Zionist, where the government is concerned) but I've always found the argument that "If the Jews living in the land 2000 years ago makes it theirs, then the US should be British/Native American," one of the dumbest, most hypocritical arguments ever.

I don't see how it can be applied to Israel but not to Palestine. Why, because only 6 decades have passed? So where is the invisible line drawn -- the line that says "You lived here so long ago, there's nothing to give back."

I oppose the State of Israel for religious reasons, but my reasons for thinking Israel shouldn't exist have absolutely no anti-semitic value in them, unlike many anti-Zionists.

But leaving religion aside (because it's a given that my reasons for opposing Israel aren't yours), how was the founding of the British Colonies in the US any different from what the Zionists are doing in Israel?

The trend I've witnessed among anti-Zionists is generally this:

If the Jews are native to the land, then it's "You lived here 2000 years ago. Should we return the US to the Native Americans?"
If the Jews AREN'T native to the land (generally the opinion of anti-semites), then it's "You're European AshkeNAZI Khazar Talmud Jews who have no claim to Israel, and are committing genocide against the native population and trying to steal land from Palestinians."

Awesome.

I thought it was enjoyable, but as a huge fan of the comics, I hated the portrayal of a lot of things in the movie.

1) Dark Elf laser guns. What the heck?

2) The Dark Elves "origins." No, they're not an ancient race that precedes the Asgardians. Not in the myths, not in the comics.

3) SPOILER Odin couldn't revive Frigga. Absolutely ridiculous, within the comicbook universe.

4) The Asgardians can't fight for nuts, and get taken down easier than stormtroopers.