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Judaism (and thus, Jews) do not have any problems with Palestinians, any more than it has problems with the other nations. Zionists do.
No we don't
Then the Palestinians have a problem with y'all, because if no one has a problem with anyone, there wouldn't be a conflict.
@th3warr1or:
Zionism is a lot bigger than a dictionary definition. Zionism is a component of Judaism. You still haven't explained how Judaism is opposed to Zionism - but don't bother, because it isn't. If you're gonna parrot some nonsense from the Naturei Karta types, then don't even waste your time. It seems to me that you have a profound misunderstanding of what Zionism is. Zionism is bigger than Herzl. It's bigger than kibbutzim. Bigger than Rabin.
And yes, Zionism predates Herzl. As I said, Zionism is an integral component of Judaism, it's just that it was revived as a political movement in the late 19th century and has now transcended core/Rabbinical Jewish doctrine. Kahane talked about this. Moreover, the consensus of religious Jews is NOT on your side, unless you define Zionism in a narrow sense as a secular/irreligious movement.
Good luck trying to live in Israel as a Jew under "Palestinian" rule. Good luck even trying to visit. You actually sound a lot like the enemies of the Jewish people when you say your grievance is with Zionists, but not Jews, as if there is some clear distinction between the two groups. And while Jews don't have any inherent beef with the "Palestinians", rest assured that they and virtually all other Muslims don't feel the same way. Hatred of Jews is endemic to Islam and is not a modern phenomenon as a reaction to Israel, as many would lead you to believe. You don't even seem to understand who the enemy is.
Also not really sure why you think the return of the Moshiach is just some random moment rather than the culmination of a process which includes Jews settling the land and fulfilling that element of the covenant. There has been no greater event since the exile to reconnect Jews with Judaism than the reestablishment of Israel and the return of sovereignty in the land to its rightful owners. And you denigrate this movement and its people. Shameful.
QFT
I think a palestinian state, even though i wish it to come (as i stated), would be no different than Saudia and won't be a democracy hence you (th3warr1or) is too naive if you think you can go to the Kotel (assuming it won't get destroyed).
Just so we're clear, the Beis HaMikdosh wasn't destroyed by Islam, and for a good millenium, they didn't destroy the Kosel when they had the Land.
Secondly, I clearly stated in my earlier post that my support for the Palestinian state getting East Jerusalem would be contingent upon them NOT destroying the Kosel, and still allowing Jews to get there (and back) safely. If that couldn't be assured and guaranteed by the International community.
I'm not so stupid as to think Hamas would allow thousands of Jews to crowd there on Yomim Tovim, which is why I made it very clear that I'm not just blindly supporting any other government simply because it's not Zionist.
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