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#1 mfacek
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democrats now are what republicans used to be. and republicans now are the party of the crazy peoplenimatoad2000
I think it's more that the Republican party has just become the Democratic party with a shiny red paint job and has a whole lot of supporters who don't realize it.
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#3 mfacek
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I'm not sure how you can single out the Republican party like this when you can plainly see what's happening in the White House and Congress right now. If you think Democrats are any better, you're dreaming.

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Are the democrats incompetent? That's plainly obvious. Are they disingenuous about the political philosophy their party adheres to, was founded on, and trumpets at any possible chance? No. If I saw the Democrats railing against the massive debt left behind by previous Republican presidents and blocking reform measures because it's "too expensive" I would be calling them hypocrites as well. I single out the Republicans because they claim to be a bastion of conservatism, and they certainly are not. If you can show examples of Democrats being disingenuous about Liberalism feel free to point them out.
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Can modern day Republicans truly call themselves conservatives?

Well, in order to answer the question we must ask ourselves what is the fundamental element to the conservative philosophy. In our modern age, this is certainly fiscal conservatism. It is the supposed hallmark of the Republican party. The Democrats lack of fiscal restraint is the basis of nearly every Republican criticism of the Democratic Party. It is the single biggest reason Republicans block a nationalization of the United State's health care system. Now this is certainly a legitimate concern, the costs of a government run health care system is estimated to cost $1 trillion. $1 trillion that the US doesn't have, and can't afford in the near future.

Prominent Republicans constantly parrot the cost as being too great, too much strain on the American taxpayer. However, the question I want to ask, is why were these concerns not being brought up as America prepared for war in the middle east? Why is it that so many republicans who refuse to vote for health care reform due to its cost so easily and whole-heartedly voted for a war which has cost us far more then health care reform will, and continues to cost us billions daily? Throughout history, republicans have been elected to get us OUT of wars. Not into them. This war-hawkish Republican trend is a relatively modern one, and an EXTREMELY expensive one.

For a party that consistantly rails against Obama's big spending, and claims to strive for a balanced budget, they've certainly done a VERY poor job of it.

Reagan national debt: $255 million as he left office.

George H.W. Bush national debt: $399 million as he left office.

George W. Bush national debt: $500+ million as he left office.

Each of these so called conservative candidates set a new record for national debt in their respective terms. You also may notice a gap in the presidents, Clinton. Surely that "tax n' spend" Democrat raked up FAR more then the Republicans could have ever hoped to spend while in office right? He left office with a balanced budget, and in fact a slight surplus.

Well, you might say that neo-conservatism is not just about fiscal conservative policies, but a general pro-business approach. Reagan masterfully put neo-conservative policies into place, and the US achieved a level of prosperity never thought to be achievable. The US, while it sustained a minor recession in the early nineties, continued this prosperity up until the turn of the century. Then, under "conservative" Bush, our economy nearly collapsed, along with the banking system.

Again you say, well at least the Republicans strive for a smaller government! Wrong again. Under Bush, the US government grew to the largest it has ever been in history. I won't even go into the Patriot Act, the NSA wiretapping scandal, or Guantanamo Bay and how early conservative thinkers would absolutely roll over in their graves if they could see them today.

This is hypocrisy. The modern day Republican Party is not conservative, certainly not. The modern day Republican Party is but the Democratic Party with a different paint job and socially conservative stances (gay-marriage, gun rights, etc.).

So I put this to you, self proclaimed conservatives, how is it that you can call yourself a Republican?

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#5 mfacek
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I really don't know why we don't get much respect. It is however one of the reasons I prefer to refer to myself as a "naturalistic non-theistic monist" instead of "agnostic atheist." Since not only does it better describe my thoughts about the universe, but helps me avoid all the stigmas associated with "agnostic" and "atheist."

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Stupid people won't leave you alone? Confuse them with words. Genius.
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#6 mfacek
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everyone is equal under the poking fun law. There are NO EXCEPTIONS

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#7 mfacek
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Alive 2007 by far.

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#8 mfacek
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Because they go on explaining how Christianity is a lie, when the Christians wern't asking for their opinion.

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It goes both ways. Most people don't ask Christians their opinions and yet they seem to really want to "save" everyone.
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#9 mfacek
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[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="narlymech"] Thanks for the history lessen. It gets us no closer to the change we've needed for decades though. Ooh wow, Ross Perot showed up. We're all impressed now. Ooh wow a black guy, how neato.

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...aaand with that I'm done. Wow.

Would you like to borrow this?

I think that pretty much sums up my reaction whilst reading his last tirade. Words cannot describe my confusion.

EDIT-Actually, yes words can. LOLwut?

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#10 mfacek
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[QUOTE="mfacek"][QUOTE="narlymech"] Well, when youv'e had 2 parties, drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrugggggghhhhhhh going nowhere, for what 50 years now, it's not revolutionary, it's way too late.narlymech

I don't think you really got what I was trying to convey. People have been hyping calling for third parties and third party candidates for centuries. In fact, Ross Perot, a third party candidate, could have won the 1992 election. Other notable third party candidates and parties include socialists, Theodore Roosevelt, Strom Thurmond and the States Rights Democrats, the Know-Nothings, etc. I just thought you're whole, "but I've always been ahead of the times" comment was pretty funny. You're about two centuries late bud.

Thanks for the history lessen. It gets us no closer to the change we've needed for decades though. Ooh wow, Ross Perot showed up. We're all impressed now. Ooh wow a black guy, how neato.

...aaand with that I'm done. Wow.