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#1 mark30001
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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

[QUOTE="mark30001"] Ok, jack. One last response to what you just said. I said it doesn't take knowing better than some guy in a lab coat to use common sense. As we have alot of professional people who do scandals and many other things. Obvoisuly you one of those guys who belive everything some professional guy says just because they have that professional job. You probably believe the incident with the power outages were accidents, when infact they were done on purpose to try to get people to pay more money. If people who were so professional were so good at their job, then we wouldnt be in this depression at the moment. I know you like to believe you won this so called arguement that is in your mind. But people that go back and forth like this spend way to much time on the internet. Im just laying down the facts. It seems you have a hard time accepting facts, but then your probably going to try and say I have a hard time accepting the so called facts about how msg is really safe. I bet everytime you type something you believe you typed it with your mind in your godly voice. Your trust in the governement and what it says is overwhelmingly foolish.bsin94

Ad hominem: attacking the person and avoiding the argument. Popularity: because it's commonly accepted, it must be true. Anti-authority: because the government/experts say it, it must be wrong because they are lying to us. Confirmation bias: you have already reached a conclusion and any evidence to the contrary is false. I think this sums up your "arguments" pretty nicely. Now, if you could just support it with some facts, like your opposition has already done, then maybe we can have an intellectual discussion.

Great job Metroid, mark30001's arguement is extremly debatable and has many theories , in fact, it might be speculation to some, but it makes you wonder.

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#2 mark30001
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[QUOTE="mark30001"]Ok I can't stay on here all day long like you guys with the "over 4000 posts" guys. Obviously you guys are internet junkies who live online to get the most posts on a game site. Don't listen to everything some guy in a business suit or lab coat tells you. I may be in some regular clothing but that doesn't mean I can't use common sense about certain things.thepwninator
Why would you know better than the guy in the lab coat? He's done extensive research and studies. You haven't. And nice little ad hominem attack there in your first and second sentences :P

Ok, jack. One last response to what you just said. I said it doesn't take knowing better than some guy in a lab coat to use common sense. As we have alot of professional people who do scandals and many other things. Obvoisuly you one of those guys who belive everything some professional guy says just because they have that professional job. You probably believe the incident with the power outages were accidents, when infact they were done on purpose to try to get people to pay more money. If people who were so professional were so good at their job, then we wouldnt be in this depression at the moment. I know you like to believe you won this so called arguement that is in your mind. But people that go back and forth like this spend way to much time on the internet. Im just laying down the facts. It seems you have a hard time accepting facts, but then your probably going to try and say I have a hard time accepting the so called facts about how msg is really safe. I bet everytime you type something you believe you typed it with your mind in your godly voice. Your trust in the governement and what it says is overwhelmingly foolish.
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#3 mark30001
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Ok I can't stay on here all day long like you guys with the "over 4000 posts" guys. Obviously you guys are internet junkies who live online to get the most posts on a game site. Don't listen to everything some guy in a business suit or lab coat tells you. I may be in some regular clothing but that doesn't mean I can't use common sense about certain things.
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[QUOTE="mark30001"][QUOTE="Luncbox1"] Someone already posted evidence...metroidfood
I don't believe a few tests count as total evidence. I think companies care more about money than the consumers, therefore they add the stuff to try to get people addicted. Why would you want to take a chance to have this stuff in your body. I don't want to be the guy with all these health problems simply because I have a huge dose of msg in my diet everyday. You make it seem like theres an important reason it should be in food. If it is't all that dangerous, why not remove it to releive the so called "paranoid" people?

Because it's easier and cheaper, and there's no advantage to taking it out. It's just easier to rename it to sound more benign, because people are terrified of chemical names. Traces of hydroxic acid are found in nearly every piece of processed food you eat. Excess intake of this chemical can also cause organ failure. Should petition to have it removed from food? No, because it's water.

They hide it because they know people wouldn't want to consume that stuff, beacuse they know its bad for them.
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#5 mark30001
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[QUOTE="thepwninator"][QUOTE="mark30001"]

Like aspartame, MSG is an excitotoxin, a substance that overexcites neurons to the point of cell damage and, eventually, cell death. Humans lack a blood-brain barrier in the hypothalamus, which allows excitotoxins to enter the brain and cause damage, according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins. According to animal studies, MSG creates a lesion in the hypothalamus that correlates with abnormal development, including obesity, short stature and sexual reproduction problems.

http://www.naturalnews.com/009379.html

There are some medications they allow people to take, but then sometimes they recall the medication back but only after a long time of not doing anything. It's only untill someone comes forward and complains when they finally recall certain medications because of their dangers. So you can't just say that everything thats approved is totally safe.

1) Blaylock's methodology was flawed. I've looked at his studies before, and he was exposing the mice to over 15 times the amount of MSG the average adult human consumes per day. That is, simply, ludicrous. 2) Note the fact that he uses the word "could" quite a bit. 3) Causation fallacy-people who consume more MSG than others are obese, yes. Is the fact that they are obese caused by higher MSG intake? Not necessarily. It's far more likely that it's just because they eat so damn much. Emphasis lies on point 1.

Maybe they eat so much because they're addicted to msg, Ever thought about that?
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#6 mark30001
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[QUOTE="mark30001"][QUOTE="Luncbox1"] Someone already posted evidence...thepwninator
I don't believe a few tests count as total evidence. I think companies care more about money than the consumers, therefore they add the stuff to try to get people addicted. Why would you want to take a chance to have this stuff in your body. I don't want to be the guy with all these health problems simply because I have a huge dose of msg in my diet everyday. You make it seem like theres an important reason it should be in food. If it is't all that dangerous, why not remove it to releive the so called "paranoid" people?

I'm going to respond to this post sentence-by-sentence, okay?

1) Those tests have been reviewed and concluded to be true.

2) Companies do care more about money than their consumers, BUT that is not why they add MSG to their food. They do it because it's a cheap way to make the stuff taste stronger (see the "It's a conspiracy" picture on page 1).

3) It's not really taking a chance-the stuff is only harmful when consumed in ridiculously high amounts, and unless you're eating 15 meals at a Chinese restaurant every day you, quite frankly, aren't going to get anywhere near enough MSG in your body for it to become harmful.

4) There's no reason it shouldn't be in food, and it makes stuff taste stronger. Why not put it in there?

5) We shouldn't have to accommodate the paranoid people. They should have to deal with their own problems, just as I have to deal with my own (significant) mental problems.

In the end, your argument boils down to "Ban it so I'll feel safer!!", which is, quite frankly, selfish, immature, and foolish.

Ok, I can see you like to think in the box. I'm not going to sit here and type little sentences to disprove every little sentence you typed up real fast just to try and rub the "im a conspiracy nut" in my face. I don't believe its selfish when im trying to help everyone out here. http://blessedquietness.com/journal/theworld/msg.htm This may be one of those conspiracy sites you hate all so much, but atleast it tells the truth of all the diffrent names msg goes under. You claim msg is only in some chinese restaurant, yet its in everything we eat from food at the store to fast food joints. As far as what your trying to say, your saying that whatever chance of decreasing the chance of some health problems that alot of people get and have, should be dismissed. You probably believe that we're the only life in this universe also. You make it seem as if im trying to prove the existence of ghost or something. I would understand if msg was only in chinese restaurants and all because then I would be able to avoid it, but its not, as its in everything.
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Like aspartame, MSG is an excitotoxin, a substance that overexcites neurons to the point of cell damage and, eventually, cell death. Humans lack a blood-brain barrier in the hypothalamus, which allows excitotoxins to enter the brain and cause damage, according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins. According to animal studies, MSG creates a lesion in the hypothalamus that correlates with abnormal development, including obesity, short stature and sexual reproduction problems.

http://www.naturalnews.com/009379.html

There are some medications they allow people to take, but then sometimes they recall the medication back but only after a long time of not doing anything. It's only untill someone comes forward and complains when they finally recall certain medications because of their dangers. So you can't just say that everything thats approved is totally safe.

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#8 mark30001
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[QUOTE="mark30001"]

If you guys don't want to sign, then don't sign. But I don't know why you guys are trying to make a point to me unless your really taking what I say seriously, and if msg is not dangerouse and all, why not waste your time signing the petition instead of trying to come up with some evidence to prove msg is harmless?

Luncbox1
Someone already posted evidence...

I don't believe a few tests count as total evidence. I think companies care more about money than the consumers, therefore they add the stuff to try to get people addicted. Why would you want to take a chance to have this stuff in your body. I don't want to be the guy with all these health problems simply because I have a huge dose of msg in my diet everyday. You make it seem like theres an important reason it should be in food. If it is't all that dangerous, why not remove it to releive the so called "paranoid" people?
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#9 mark30001
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[QUOTE="swazidoughman"]

What needs to be banned is toxic food dyes.

especially Yellow dye #5.

I also agree about that, because I dont need some pretty color in my food to make me want to eat it lol.
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#10 mark30001
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If you guys don't want to sign, then don't sign. But I don't know why you guys are trying to make a point to me unless your really taking what I say seriously, and if msg is not dangerouse and all, why not waste your time signing the petition instead of trying to come up with some evidence to prove msg is harmless?