[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Somebody was generalising about islam and muslims!! Bothers doesnt it when people generalise you!

And secondly there is absolutely no doubt that an average atheist is much more likely to rape than an average religious person.

Stranger_4

Well most of the murders done in religions name are done in good intentions from the murderer, unfortunately he is just a brainwashed illeterate but still doesnt change the fact that he has good intentions..

So are you telling me that 9-11 was done in good intentions?

[QUOTE="BumFluff122"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

Why the USA has the most no. of rapes?

1) Becasue unlike muslim countries, drinking alcohol is legal.

2) A rise in atheism one of the reasons being the weak attachment that most christians have with their religion.

3) No restriction on the type of clothes(or lack of) for women.

Here you can see "christian dominated" countries have the most no. of rapes. Do we say FAIL on christianity?:roll:

Why is it that the first muslim country is on no. 27? I think God knows better why He set the rules of no alcohol and women covering their bodies the way He did.

Is this your civilized and up to the times world?

Stranger_4

And what? The government and religion support rape? Why dont you just **** off and dont spoo BS!

So how would you call it? I have provided evidence that in Pakistan women who have been raped are in danger of being punished for premarital sex (WTF!!), and not the rapists. Can you really blame us for seeing it that way?

[QUOTE="frazzle00"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]It could also mean that quran is saying that apostates will be punished in the hereafter "as well", I mean it's not like that a murderer who got death sentence in this life will not be furthur punished by God!

Stranger_4

So are you equating apostasy with murder? Wow, there goes religious freedom right out the door :roll:

Woohoo another wonderful example of irony. Dude you're on fire :D.

[QUOTE="frazzle00"]

2) I never said that both of Aisha's parents were alive when she was married. Once again you are obviously misreading my posts. You were trying to suggest that Abu Bakr having money made him a good parent. I replied that rich parents aren't necessarily good ones. And excuse me but you have not provided proof that Aisha was in any legal way able to give consent or for that matter that she is "sexually adult". And when it comes to rights perhaps you should check out the rights of women in Pakistan. Make sure that rapists are punished and not their victims.

3) Thanks for providing me another reason why I would never consider Islam as a religion for me. So are you telling me an adult Muslim male can not be good friends with an adult Muslim female :?? Wow if that is true, I guess it sucks to be you.

4) ROFLOL. Do you know what risk vs. reward is? It's obvious you don't.

5) ROFLOL. You also don't seem to know what irony is. Let me give you an example. The statement "I wonder why I bother to even argue with such a biased person!" is clearly ironic coming from you :P.

Stranger_4

Well yes but I dont follow that, I do make friends with females. You dont have to perfectly follow your religion for God is all-forgiving.

Yes I know but you are failing to realise the risk cuz you havent read his history.

Hmm well I am biased but certainly not as much as you..

1) In most Muslim countries today marrying a 13 year old girl is illegal. Why is this the case, if as you say it is culturally acceptable? Don't forget that Muhammad is God's prophet. He should have known better.

2) Well isn't it convenient that YOU CAN pick and choose what to follow. Do women in Pakistan have that luxury? Can they for example say well I am not going to follow the Quran's instructions when it comes to modesty, and I'll wear a tank top and mini skirt today?

3) I know enough about his history. He took a calculated risk and won.

4) ROFLOL. That my friend is another example of irony :P.

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Are you trying to say that it doesnt lead to more rapes? Are you trying to say that it doesnt make more people desperate? No one is going to just go crazy at the very sight of some female skin but the temptations that would graudally be build by that would certainly lead to a greater chance of rape!

I never denied that women dont get prosecuted in pakistan. It's mostly in the illeterate societies and it's extremely dumb and narrow minded people who dont understand that religion should evolve with different times..

SpruceCaboose

Amen. The worst thing is that he won't (and never will) acknowledge that he is wrong.

[QUOTE="frazzle00"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Yes we all get "inticed and lusted" to murder people who dont wear bulletproof vests.:roll::roll:

What? The actions of individuals determine the failure or success of the civility afforded by the government. I guess the morals of the western world has gone so low that they do not even consider rape a big thing lol.

I mean you talk about gender equality, I am sure women would rather have some of their rights ripped off then their clothes lol. But then again, your average americal women for whom a one night stand is not immoral may just choose otherwise.:lol:

Stranger_4

Are you trying to suggest that men can't control themselves? That as soon as they see a woman in "provocative" clothes, they'll go on a mindless raping rampage? Please dude don't generalize that sort of sick behaviour to the general male populace. And you haven't replied about rape victims being persecuted in Pakistan. Doesn't Pakistan believe in taking care of its female citizens?

I never denied that women dont get prosecuted in pakistan. It's mostly in the illeterate societies and it's extremely dumb and narrow minded people who dont understand that religion should evolve with different times..

Based on what you've written I honestly don't think that the persecution of women in Pakistan is limited to "illeterate societies". And no "showing skin" does not lead to more rape. Rape is about power not sex. I would say that having a society that is biased against women would increase the prevalence of sexual violence against women. Women following fashion would (and SHOULD) not have any effect on the prevalence of sexual violence.

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[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

Why the USA has the most no. of rapes?

3) No restriction on the type of clothes(or lack of) for women.

Stranger_4

So, are you saying that women should be restricted in what they can wear? So much for gender equality...

Roflol. Provide the scientific proof that it does have "a bad effect on our children and the whole society". What about men? Why are Muslim men allowed to play soccer wearing those tiny soccer shorts? Surely that is just as detrimental on children and society as a whole :roll:. And if you want lists here's one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index.

Pay special attention to where the top Islamic country is placed :).

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

No. First of all you assume that atheists are all amoral law breakers because they don't follow religion. Which is ridiculous.

Stranger_4

And secondly there is absolutely no doubt that an average atheist is much more likely to rape than an average religious person.

1) It doesn't bother me at all. In fact I am glad you made the statements you have, because you have proven all my points. Thank you very much :D.

2) Provide proof that there is causal link between atheism and sexual violence. Do you even know what that means?

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]

Why the USA has the most no. of rapes?

1) Becasue unlike muslim countries, drinking alcohol is legal.

2) A rise in atheism one of the reasons being the weak attachment that most christians have with their religion.

3) No restriction on the type of clothes(or lack of) for women.

Here you can see "christian dominated" countries have the most no. of rapes. Do we say FAIL on christianity?:roll:

Why is it that the first muslim country is on no. 27? I think God knows better why He set the rules of no alcohol and women covering their bodies the way He did.

Is this your civilized and up to the times world?

BumFluff122

I agree with you 100%.

[QUOTE="frazzle00"]

[QUOTE="Stranger_4"]Becasue the quran doesnt say that there should not be punishment for apostasy but neither does it say otherwise..

Stranger_4

According to famiking the Quran states that apostates will be punished in the after life. If God is the ultimate authority, and in the Quran it states that he will decide final judgement, what right does a mortal Muslim man have to intervene?

So are you equating apostasy with murder? Wow, there goes religious freedom right out the door :roll: