[QUOTE="dvader654"] I dont think he specifically is referring to Zelda, he is stating that the reviewer seems to not like this kind of game anymore. This can go for any other game like getting someone that is sick of Call of Duty games to review CoD. it's just not a good idea. Their opinions are valid as many I am sure feel the same way but it is extremely clear that many things he feels are faults are not even close to faults to many of us.Pedro

Understood. However, at the end of the day he clearly gave the game a good score. Indicating that he found the game to be good.

OK I just watched Gamespot's video review, and I just don't get it. Most of the reviews I have read say that the controls are crisp and responsive and if you waggle, you die. Then GS says that the controls are an unresponsive mess and you can waggle your way to victory.

How can there be that big of a discrepancy about something objective? I mean something either works well or it doesn't work well. That's like two people looking at a cheeseburger and one saying it's a pizza.

I also saw one review state that some of the dungeons are dull and frustrating, but at the end says that they are the best dungeons in the entire series. I mean, why are there so many contradictions with this game?

Gamefan1986

[QUOTE="Oilers99"]I almost wish the review had come out a little later. I would love to examine this more, but it's hard without the game to play.dvader654

[QUOTE="Oilers99"]I think it's natural for videogames to generally go in that direction. Table top games are very good at letting players take turns, because... You play it with friends, sit in a circle and and interact. But videogames are intrinsically dynamic. Doing something in real time is something that simply other forms of gaming cannot do as well. Turn based gaming can be explored through traditional means, but real-time events that integrate physics, dynamic, non- player controlled conditions and rapid changes? Those are unique to videogames. There will always be enthusiasts for tradition, so you might have to look a little harder (as a fan of graphic adventure games, I can attest), but it will still be out there. Just not as prominently.gameguy6700

[QUOTE="Oilers99"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"]

Maybe, but they've always maintained a turn-based or ATB battle system. I'd argue that the series has always been at its best when it's been turn-based (FFX being my favorite installment, with FF9 and FF6 bringing up a close second and third place), but that's neither here nor there.

The point is, even when the FF series has tried to do things differently, it's always held onto certain structures. ATB, party-based combat, character customization, etc etc. If they take the combat in the direction of action-based combat, half of what makes a game truly Final Fantasy will be completely gone.

As it is, I'm already unhappy with the fantastic job they did of completely taking combat out of the hands of the player in the last two installments.

Greyfeld

I'm not going to argue about FF12, for various reasons, but they definitely took control away in FF13. Two of the characters in your party are completely automated, there are almost no situations in which mashing "auto" doesn't kill everything, you can only choose your own team during the last 1/3 of the game or so, and if the center character dies you get a game-over. The combat LOOKED impressive, but it's laughable to believe that the game didn't take control away from the player.

[QUOTE="Oilers99"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"] The thing that bothers me is, if Square Enix wanted to explore action RPGs with a new IP, I'd be like "hell yeah, go for it, let's see how it turns out." But no, they want to take the bankability of their Final Fantasy franchise and exploit it to make sure that any garbage they turn out makes money. It's the exact same thing they're doing with Dragon Quest.Greyfeld

Maybe, but they've always maintained a turn-based or ATB battle system. I'd argue that the series has always been at its best when it's been turn-based (FFX being my favorite installment, with FF9 and FF6 bringing up a close second and third place), but that's neither here nor there.

The point is, even when the FF series has tried to do things differently, it's always held onto certain structures. ATB, party-based combat, character customization, etc etc. If they take the combat in the direction of action-based combat, half of what makes a game truly Final Fantasy will be completely gone.

As it is, I'm already unhappy with the fantastic job they did of completely taking combat out of the hands of the player in the last two installments.

[QUOTE="Oilers99"]There are people from the future in this thread. We have established this; try to keep up.c_rake

Sorry. Must haven't caught up with the present just yet. Tricky stuff, time travel.

[QUOTE="Oilers99"][QUOTE="Ballroompirate"]

Chrono Cross > Chrono Trigger

I said it :P

Bubble_Man

Just push buttons against Lavos and see how that turns out.