[QUOTE="Lucky_Krystal"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

I don't like to get horny while playing video games, it interfere with my enjoyment.

Don't care for extreme violence either. Kill a guy and move on, don't need to kill him, chop his head off and put his eyes in a blender, that's just tacky and gimicky and one of the reasons I don't like the God of War series, it panders to little kids with violence fetish.

Big explosions are cool. I like explosions. Environmental destruction. Whole cities destroyed. Dark gritty survival themes. I love this stuff.

As far as romance, I guess the farthest I would go is having dialogue and voice acting with like "I miss you, I'll come back for you, I'll see you after the war." That's ok.

But when I see some chick kissing a dude (or dudes kissing dudes) it's like "eww get a room, you're making the rest of us horny and/or uncomfortable."

ZombieKiller7

To each its own I guess.

But when I say sexual themes, I don't exactly mean having sex scenes. If I had to give an example of a game with sexual themes that's handled well, I'd say Catherine (they talk about the game in one of the links I posted). The game deals with a few sexual themes and explores relationships, infidelity, commitment vs freedom, and maturity. There's no explicit sex scenes or nudity in the game, and despite its risque box art, its not meant to titilate the viewer. I think people are really hung up on defining sexual themes as "two people going at it." I see it as more than that.

And do you really get horny and uncomfortable by seeing two people kiss? I understand when its in real life and the two are loudly and publically eating each others faces off with spit flying everywhere, but usually in a video game its never this extreme, nor is it uncomfortable. At least not to me. It takes a lot more than two people kissing to get me horny or uncomfortable.

I'm sure there's a market for female tastes in gaming including a focus on interpersonal drama.

To me at best it's a cutscene I don't feel like watching.

At worst it take away budget and resources from things that matter to me.

Like Mass Effect where they take out the tank and put in sex.

I felt like they reduced my enjoyment to give more enjoyment to female taste.

If a company decides to dumb down a game and take out gameplay elements to replace it with something useless, then its the company's own stupid decision. I've seen a lot of companies do it, replace gameplay with various stuff that didn't work, not just mature storytelling. We can fit everything on Blu Ray these days so if developers choose to take out a certain aspect of a game that was working well then that's poor decision making on their part. I don't see why we can't have new and old stuff together. And I never really saw Mass Effect as pandering to female tastes but thats just me.

And I thought I would just reiterate my point about sexual themes not only simply being people going at it, because by these other responses, it seems like thats what people are thinking.

I've never been offended, but I was slightly perturbed at a certain section of Persona 4 in which the game somewhat hints at a 15 year old girl going topless.

Wasn't sure if I wanted to continue on, lol.

MLBknights58

Everything about that dungeon was a hot mess.

From the setting to the stripper music to the boss that gyrated against a pole and moaned while casting spells (topped off with the weird squishy noises).

I found it amusing though.

I don't like to get horny while playing video games, it interfere with my enjoyment.

Don't care for extreme violence either. Kill a guy and move on, don't need to kill him, chop his head off and put his eyes in a blender, that's just tacky and gimicky and one of the reasons I don't like the God of War series, it panders to little kids with violence fetish.

Big explosions are cool. I like explosions. Environmental destruction. Whole cities destroyed. Dark gritty survival themes. I love this stuff.

As far as romance, I guess the farthest I would go is having dialogue and voice acting with like "I miss you, I'll come back for you, I'll see you after the war." That's ok.

But when I see some chick kissing a dude (or dudes kissing dudes) it's like "eww get a room, you're making the rest of us horny and/or uncomfortable."

ZombieKiller7

To each its own I guess.

But when I say sexual themes, I don't exactly mean having sex scenes. If I had to give an example of a game with sexual themes that's handled well, I'd say Catherine (they talk about the game in one of the links I posted). The game deals with a few sexual themes and explores relationships, infidelity, commitment vs freedom, and maturity. There's no explicit sex scenes or nudity in the game, and despite its risque box art, its not meant to titilate the viewer. I think people are really hung up on defining sexual themes as "two people going at it." I see it as more than that.

And do you really get horny and uncomfortable by seeing two people kiss? I understand when its in real life and the two are loudly and publically eating each others faces off with spit flying everywhere, but usually in a video game its never this extreme, nor is it uncomfortable. At least not to me. It takes a lot more than two people kissing to get me horny or uncomfortable.

However you turn it, alot of people still feel uncomfortable when confornted about sexuality. Others just get horny.chaplainDMK

And its fine to be uncomfortable and not want to play a game because of certain elements it has. Personally, I prefer not to play Manhunt and Postal 2 for its extreme violence. I'm not saying all games should tackle these heavy and controversial issues (that would be disaterous), but I wanted to know if anyone else really wants games to deal with more serious issues because I see the "we have these kinds of violent video games so why can't they contain this kind of sexual content too" argument come up quite a few times.

Over all I think that some over estimate what video game can bring up while making the game good.wiouds

I don't think I understand what you mean, care to elaborate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbhtfCAXF40

Ridiculous.

Lox_Cropek

"I felt like I was on Mortal Kombat. It just hurted, it felt like a finish him"

That made me laugh. And on a completley unrelated note, that news reporter's hair is gorgeous.

Now I'm going to continue not giving a flying fvck about this chick.

Now before I begin, let me make something clear. By sexual themes/content, I do not simply mean the usual tasteless and often useless boob shot, panty shot, useless sex scene, half naked men or women, and swimsuit costumes. I think we have enough of that as it is. When I say mature sexual themes, I mean should video games be able to explore more mature themes like infidelity, sexuality, the consequences of indecent sexual behavior, the complexity of adult relationships, etc?

Sex has always been a sensitive subject in all forms of entertainment. But lets just focus on video games for a moment. I've heard many people complain that you can commit unspeakable violent acts in numerous games, but include a scene that involves sex, tasteful or no, and people will blow their tops and might even attempt to have the game censored or banned. We have games that push the envelope in terms of violence, but far less games that push the envelope in exploring sexual themes (again, in a MATURE and TASTEFUL way).

Now during an article where the Heavy Rain dev called for a shooter with a serious narrative, a flood of comments recommended Spec Ops: The Line. I have not played this game myself, but a quick search showed that this game has a serious narrative that deals with anti-war issues. It got a mediocre score here on gamespot but it seems fans of the game and a few other review sites praised the story for being unlike the typical "kill everything and be a hero" shooter. Now why can't we have games like this in terms of sexuality, one where its handled tastefully and actually gets people thinking instead of getting them excited?

I assume developers pull back on making these kinds of games because sex strikes a special nerve in people. Not only that, but they want to avoid the kiss of death, otherwise known as the AO rating. An AO rating guarantees that your game won't reach a very big audience, and most retailers are going to flat out refuse to carry your game.But by exploring these heavier issues, I don't think it would automatically warrant an AO rating. Games with an AO rating tend to have either explicit sexual content or intense, grotesque violence and gore. To explore more mature themes in games, neither of these is necessary. I think developers can explore these themes while still getting away with an M rating, and still being able to tell a good story and not censor anything.

Of course we also have to think of the backlash this may or may not cause. Catherine, Persona 4, The Witcher, Heavy Rain, and God of War are a few M rated games that contained sexual content or sex scenes, but were lucky enough not to recieve too much negative attention for it. Poor Mass Effect though, got laid out and spit on by Fox News. Then again, the game still got away with an M rating, handled its sex tastefully, and Fox news is idiotic anyway so who really cares? If a game handles its sexual themes tastefully and properly, and has the appropriate M rating, then I see no problem. I would love for video game stories to tackle more serious issues, whether it be issues of violence, sex, religion, or whatever.

Now it begs the question: Should games tackle more serious sexual themes? Or do you think they shouldn't even bother due to the negative press it may cause? Do you think violent and sexual themes are equally bad, or is one worse than the other? And most importantly, is the world ready for such games? Can we handle a mature game that deals with sex without going "OMG SAVE THE CHILDREN, BAN THE GAME!!" or the equally annoying "OMG BOOBIIIIEZZZZ!!"

Some interesting reads if you're in the mood(I know they're kind of old but its hard to find articles on this stuff):

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/06/including-sex-avoiding-the-porn-game-ghetto-the-witcher-development-strategy/

http://kotaku.com/348187/ea-calls-fox-out-on-insulting-mass-effect-inaccuracies

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30439/Opinion_Sex_and_The_Male_Psychology__Catherine.php#.UH66JcXA_rQ

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/25/first-amendment-advocate-suggests-we-arent-ready-for-adult-games-sony-may-pick-up-baton/

Oh and just for the lulz (because Fox news is full of idiots, and the comments in the second link are the epitome of mature and classy :roll: ):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKzF173GqTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md2rv3TpKm4

You have no idea how long it took me to come up with a title that fit in the topic thing.

She did makes some really stupid mistakes. And I disagree with all this "She's a kid, she doesn't know any better" talk because kids aren't nearly as naive and stupid as we think. Even my 10 year old sister knows about internet safety and that flashing your **** on webcam to some unknown stranger is just completley idiotic. She really should have known better. And by exposing herself over webcam, she should have known that there would be consequences and a chance that people were going to ridicule and berate her. The internet is brutal, once something is out there, its out.

HOWEVER I'm not gonna say she deserved to be jumped by 15 kids or that she deserved to die. That's just going overboard. She needed to take responsiblity for her actions, but she didn't deserve those "I hope you die" comments and pictures of bleach being plastered on her facebook. No matter how you look at it, a 15 year old girl is dead before her life even began, and that is tragic.

And for those people saying "what about all the other kids who weren't as stupid?" well...I don't know why Amanda Todd in particular got so much attention either. People ALWAYS pull this **** out when someone dies and their death is highly publicized. "OMG WHAT ABOUT THE SOLDIERS DYING, WHAT ABOUT THE NORMAL PEOPLE, WHAT ABOUT OTHER TEENS?" My answer to that is that we cannot highly publicize every single person that dies. If it wasn't Amanda Todd getting attention, I'm sure people would still be like "WHY IS SHE GETTING ALL THE ATTENTION, WHAT ABOUT THIS GIRL OR THIS BOY!! THEY DESERVE MORE ATTENTION!"

Besides I think we should be focusing on the bigger problem of bullying, rather than what Amanda Todd did. Also, we should be focusing more on the kids who are alive. Its already too late for Amanda Todd.

Just my two cents...

[QUOTE="whiskeystrike"]

I wonder if this is what happened to the FF X HD remaster.

chocolatesoda

I wonder if this is what happened to Versus XIII.:|

Doubt its either of these honestly. If its not a new ip, then its probably just another re-release of a final fantasy game. Hopefully its 5 or 6, because none of these got a ds remake. If we're unlucky, it will probably be the one millonth remaster of 1, 2, or 3. But if it is a new ip, then I hope its something good. And that it doesn't take forever to be released.

Are you guys STILL arguing with this guy? I gave up 3 pages ago. He's not gonna get it.

you guys/gals take this stuff way to seriously

Masterx1220

I know right.

I'm having way more fun just standing back and watching the sh*t storm.