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#1  Edited By LoG-Sacrament
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well, the video has been taken down so i can't watch it.

anyway, i guess i just don't feel such an attachment to the word that i really would feel the need to argue over it. telling somebody "you got raped" after i beat them in a game wouldn't exactly be the high point of my day.

beyond that, i'd totally understand if somebody got really upset if i made that remark after they actually got raped in real life. i could pick from a bunch of other lines that wouldn't be genuinely offensive if i wanted to trash talk. still, i don't really do that sort of thing to begin with. again, i don't understand the need to celebrate that way. like most games nowadays are built on rewarding you for doing the slightest little thing so anything extra seems even more unnecessary. even then, if the act of winning in a game isn't rewarding enough, i'd probably question why i'm playing it to begin with.

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i think he's okay. the point of the character seems to be that he's a robot (duh) and that he's distanced himself from the situation. with that said, it's not exactly an ambitious angle for bungie to give an AI and they probably could have hired mostly anybody. i suppose the benefit that dinklage brings is that he's a big name so that he won't be thinking "oh, man. this is my big break so i really have to make sure everybody notices me!" and oversell the part. i'm sure he doesn't really care if people don't know him for destiny :P

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i'm rooting for USA but uruguay is my second pick "just in case."

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can you put which part it is in spoilers? there might be something specific to the level.

you might just be stuck though. i got stuck in my second play through because a key didn't spawn.

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#5  Edited By LoG-Sacrament
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@KHAndAnime said:

@chaplainDMK said:

Dunno, I wouldn't call that pretentious. I mean if movie symbolism is pretentious than what can you really even do at the end.

Symbolism should be tied into a movie and relevant to the plot.

Random ox slaying is not relevant to the plot. It's symbolism for the sake of symbolism - to make itself seem deeper for the sake of seeming deeper.

For something to not be pretentious, it can be symbolic, but not just for the sake of having symbolism. You can have symbolism without it being completely random and seemingly irrelevant - in fact, that's the way symbolism is usually done.

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"characterized by assumption of dignity or importance"

Shoving symbolism, that is 100% unrelated to the plot (killing of the ox), in the audience's face = pretentious. The majority of movie-goers aren't movie analysts, they aren't searching for symbolism in their movie going experience. If the Ox were relevant to the plot in any way, then it would be less pretentious, but there just so happens to be a ceremonial slaughter of an animal when he kills Kurtz - so it comes across as obtuse. I couldn't care less about the killing of animals - I eat them. Killing a living being for a film is pretentious. If you don't understand why, I can explain it more in depth - though I feel like this should be fairly obvious where I'm coming from.

the movie isn't about plot so whether or not a sequence has anything to do with it is irrelevant. it's not a thriller; apocalypse now is a series of horrific scenes strung together only by a trip down a river. the ox is relevant to the themes of the movie so it's in there. and by your standard, symbolism could never be part of the plot anyway if the ox isn't.

There is loads of symbolism tied to the plot in Apocalypse Now. For example, the helicopter scene with the music. It's symbolic, exciting, and actually is relevant to the plot of the movie - it's not symbolism just for the sake of having symbolism. See the difference between that and the ritual ox killing?

A movie can't attempt to be art just for the sake of art - it has to have a little bit of everything for everyone to keep it grounded. Begotten, for example, is an extremely pretentious film because it's attempting art just for the sake, with no entertainment value for the common viewer. For something to NOT be pretentious, it has to attempt to be appealing on more than just the grounds of its artistic factor.

I'm not saying Apocalypse Now is a pretentious movie - I'm simply saying it's an amazing movie with some pretentious moments. Notice the other 3 movies talked about in this thread contain loads of symbolism without actually focusing on the symbolism themselves?

the helicopter scene could be cut from the movie before the ox scene could. if they never stopped with that unit, the central conflict would be largely intact. that central conflict is killing kurtz and the ox sacrifice enriches that moment.

the helicopter scene is gorgeous in its horror and the choice of wagner evokes the imperialism of the nazis who embraced the german composer. of course, this conversation would be a lot more productive if you offered your own analysis of the scenes you're talking about rather than simply calling them "pretentious" or "not pretentious." i agree with you that it is an amazing movie and a big part of the reason why is because coppola assumed that he had our attention and we would be willing to do some of our own reflection. i'd much rather watch that kind of movie than one that cynically assumes everybody won't get it.

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i've been saving this one for my first hallmark valentine's day card, but you guys get it for free:

"love is when you'd still want to hang out with someone even if your junk was cut off with a hack saw"

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i'm late but i'm picking the kings because i like their offense and toughness more. still, i think the rangers are a more similar team to the kings than people give them credit for. they're both defensive teams that finally got a bit of finesse to balance out their power forwards while not really sacrificing their defense.

to be honest, i'm rooting for the kings too. i don't hate the rangers even though they fired torts (a hockey crime). the kings' farm team is just located in my home town so i've seen a lot of their players develop. plus i've always liked the idea of hockey in LA.

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i've only completed a handful of PS4 games so far: MGS, child of light, and transistor. i wouldn't say any of them were bad but i probably enjoyed child of light the least.

i've started resogun and pixeljunk shooter though and i'm not particularly enjoying either. resogun feels like it needs a little more time to build up but pixeljunk shooter isn't showing much promise in the early stretches. you have to search for these diamond-things in every screen and it feels more like monotony than discovery because they all seem to just be buried under heaps of rocks.

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@KHAndAnime said:

@LoG-Sacrament said:

how do you feel it is forced? i mean, that was just my interpretation and there are others that feel the scene contrasts rather than compares the ox and the kurtz sequences.

also, what is your definition of pretentious? it seems like it's not the common one. still, if you don't like animals being killed on screen then fair enough.

"characterized by assumption of dignity or importance"

Shoving symbolism, that is 100% unrelated to the plot (killing of the ox), in the audience's face = pretentious. The majority of movie-goers aren't movie analysts, they aren't searching for symbolism in their movie going experience. If the Ox were relevant to the plot in any way, then it would be less pretentious, but there just so happens to be a ceremonial slaughter of an animal when he kills Kurtz - so it comes across as obtuse. I couldn't care less about the killing of animals - I eat them. Killing a living being for a film is pretentious. If you don't understand why, I can explain it more in depth - though I feel like this should be fairly obvious where I'm coming from.

the movie isn't about plot so whether or not a sequence has anything to do with it is irrelevant. it's not a thriller; apocalypse now is a series of horrific scenes strung together only by a trip down a river. the ox is relevant to the themes of the movie so it's in there. and by your standard, symbolism could never be part of the plot anyway if the ox isn't.

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it's rarely the game itself that pushes me over the edge with a series.

like i don't really have an interest in playing a bioshock game that isn't made by irrational. i liked bioshock and i liked infinite well enough too, but it's an irrational games series not a 2K series.

or i wasn't a big fan of the original assassin's creed. that game itself wasn't enough to make me think "well, forget that series" though. i had heard that later games either changed or axed altogether a lot of the crappy parts of the original so i was toying around with the idea of going back to it. however, the prospect of having one (or more) AC games a year just cheapened the series for me so i never really bothered giving it another shot.