Thank heavens it isn't like BotW. BotW was one of the most overrated games I have played in years, and despite claims to the contrary has all the same fundamental issues all open world games have, and the few places it breaks the mold, it does so to the determent of the game. I've only been playing SM for about 6 hours so far and I've already enjoyed myself more than than my whole playthrough of BotW.
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@mandzilla said:
I would consider them confused yes, as I seriously doubt Oscasio Cortez is advocating for democratic socialism. That would be a politically suicidal campaign to run on in the US. There is no growing debate over democratic socialism, but rather social democracy. As you mentioned earlier, they are frequently muddled up, and incorrectly used interchangeably.
The welfare state, universal health care, labour unions, income redistribution are all examples of the good aspects of socialism. Socialism is not simply economic, and furthermore is not a zero sum game. It can be applied in varying measures, and is perfectly compatible alongside capitalism within a social democracy.
Umm... Oscasio Cortez is an official member the Democratic Socialists of America and also describes herself as a democratic socialist as well, so yes, she is very much a Democratic Socialist, suicidal or not (and it isn't in her district as it is a hard blue district, not one with any serious republican contention). The likely reason she won the democrate slot on the ticket is because the incumbent took his nomination for granted and didn't campaign at all, like an idiot, and she managed to get her small voting base out to win, radical platform or not. The actual voting turn out in the district for the nomination was terrible (I recall it was something like less than 10%).
Welfare state, universal health care, labour unions and even income redistribution are not socialism. Socialism (like capitalism and communism) is about who controls the means of production, not how taxes are spent, or social care programs. In Socialism's case it is a large group, typically the government. In Capitalism's case it is private individuals. In communism's case it is the community or workers. All of these can potentially have all the social care programs, or not. And that is because those social care programs are not dictated by this aspect of the society, they are independent values.
@mandzilla said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@mandzilla said:
Is that Fox News headline supposed to be an insult? I don't get it. ? Nothing wrong with democratic socialism.
You're likely confusing democratic socialism with social democracy. Despite being based on the same two core words, they are quite different concepts. The usual spots people point to as 'socialism working' are actually social democracies (for instance the Nordic countries), which are basically capitalistic with a few social programs tossed in the mix and very little actual socialism. Democratic socialism is basically hard socialism with a democratic government form... which itself doesn't work as a true democracy would allow them to abandon the socialism but whatever. Right now democractic socialism has far more in common with China and USSR than those Nordic countries, or Canada or the like.
I was referring to what Fox News themselves put in their own headline 'growing debate over democratic socialism', so the confusion is on their part. When it comes to democratic socialism, all I meant by my post was that I don't automatically discount it as a viable philosophy, if people are that way politically inclined. For sure it is a more extreme application of socialism, and I myself believe social democracy to be the superior model, but it's clear that capitalism simply doesn't work for a vast number of people around the world, who are much less fortunate than those of us living in the more developed western world.
Within the Nordic countries, I'd argue it's the tempering of capitalism through socialism which is key to their economic success, as well as the high quality of life. Regarding democratic socialism, it depends on what you mean by it being hard socialism, since democratic socialists disavow the authoritarian politics, and centralised economy which the USSR operated for example. I'd say that actually you could draw certain similarities between both democratic socialism and social democracy. The most obvious point of philosophical divergence is the end result, with social democracies attempting to 'fix' the issues of capitalism through the aid of social policies and reforms, while the ultimate goal of democratic socialists is to move away from capitalism altogether.
Finally I don't think that's a fair comparison to make, since the USSR was never democratic in the slightest, and neither has the PRC been up to this day. I would say though, that democratic socialism is likely widely viewed now as an outdated political philosophy, and far less achievable in the present day, than perhaps it would have been during the Cold War.
I fail to see how they are the ones confused. Democratic socialism is the bad one so how is Fox confused? Most everything that we point to as 'good' socialism is often not socialism in the first place (as it is not a matter of means of production control but how tax dollars are spent), but much better assigned to social Democracy as policies.
@mandzilla said:
Is that Fox News headline supposed to be an insult? I don't get it. ? Nothing wrong with democratic socialism.
You're likely confusing democratic socialism with social democracy. Despite being based on the same two core words, they are quite different concepts. The usual spots people point to as 'socialism working' are actually social democracies (for instance the Nordic countries), which are basically capitalistic with a few social programs tossed in the mix and very little actual socialism. Democratic socialism is basically hard socialism with a democratic government form... which itself doesn't work as a true democracy would allow them to abandon the socialism but whatever. Right now democractic socialism has far more in common with China and USSR than those Nordic countries, or Canada or the like.
@mysticwarriors said:
@DerekLoffin: You clearly dont know what treason is. Try looking it up before you get mad, and no it doesn't always have to be murder.
Considering it has nothing to do with murder and I didn't mention murder, maybe YOU should re-familiarize yourself with the law on treason.
Treason is defined as an overt act of making war or materially helping those at WAR with the United States. It is built right into the US Constitution, and is one of the few laws that is. So, since the USA is not at war with Russia, treason isn't even on the table. I'm Canadian and I know this law better than most on this board, not because I looked it up, but because numerous media sources make this distinction all the time, which speaks very poorly of the rationality and informed status of those who run to the 'treason' well all the time. Every time you bring it up, you look foolish. You're not going to impress anyone with such an ill-informed position.
And as to goalpost moving, the only ones trying to move the goalposts are the one using the term improperly. I'm just holding you to your own terminology.
Anyway, you guys do whatever, I'm done with this discussion.
@tryit said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@tryit said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@tryit said:
the reason is because the likelihood that he is kompromat with the russians is EXTREEMLY high. Not just becuase of Helsinki but when you look at all the known facts its clear what is happening and its very likely to be found out to be treason.
also keep this is mind 'To win is to know your enemy' The investigations are heating up, its highly likely a charge of 'treason' will happen. So you should get information from the otherside on what they see so that you can be ready for it.
meaning, change the friggin channel on your news for once
And as I said, that doesn't matter. It still wouldn't be treason even if came out and flatly admitted it to all the world. Again, know your laws. You look really stupid when you keep going to the 'treason' well when it is completely dry. Until you're at war with Russia, Trump could openly collaborate with them and it still wouldn't be treason. You could get him on many other things, but treason isn't among them.
If Trump is handing over top secret national security information because of his kompromat with the Russians, I dont know what you want to call it to make you sleep good at night but whatever its called is very dangerous for the safety of this country.
I would expect Trumps actions will be direct orders from Putin and with the deliberate intention of hurting this country, from leaving NATO to tarriffs. and again, if you dont want to call that treason then fine, its still not acceptable.
he will likely have the anti-ballistic missile sheild disassembled and even given to Putin himself. That is likely coming up in a few years if we dont put a stop to that...REGARDLESS of what you want to call it
From a military strategy stand point having control over Trump is brilliant and extremely good plan. I would do it if I was Russia. Hell with that kind of control I could likely literally use the U.S. Military for my purposes
It is called espionage.... sigh, like I said, KNOW YOUR LAWS. Use the right terminology and you might look less foolish.
again..
IT
DOESNT
MATTER
call it a %^&* ham sandwich for all I give a F.
just make it stop.
stop arguing over semantics
They are entirely different laws. That's not semantics, it is extremely important to the situation at hand, and reflects onto your judgment of said situation. And my point is, you look foolish when you refer to the wrong law that has been corrected numerous times. It shows a severe lack of knowledge of the subject matter. If you want to be taken serious, know what you're talking about which definitely which laws apply.
@tryit said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@tryit said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@mysticwarriors said:
@ad1x2: What he did in Helsinki was treason. You don't side with a foreign power against your own country.
Why do people keep fielding this idiotic argument? Know your laws on treason, people! It doesn't matter if Trump sets up a press conference and says Putin is personally paying him, that still wouldn't be treason by the law until such time as war is declared against Russia.
the reason is because the likelihood that he is kompromat with the russians is EXTREEMLY high. Not just becuase of Helsinki but when you look at all the known facts its clear what is happening and its very likely to be found out to be treason.
also keep this is mind 'To win is to know your enemy' The investigations are heating up, its highly likely a charge of 'treason' will happen. So you should get information from the otherside on what they see so that you can be ready for it.
meaning, change the friggin channel on your news for once
And as I said, that doesn't matter. It still wouldn't be treason even if came out and flatly admitted it to all the world. Again, know your laws. You look really stupid when you keep going to the 'treason' well when it is completely dry. Until you're at war with Russia, Trump could openly collaborate with them and it still wouldn't be treason. You could get him on many other things, but treason isn't among them.
If Trump is handing over top secret national security information because of his kompromat with the Russians, I dont know what you want to call it to make you sleep good at night but whatever its called is very dangerous for the safety of this country.
I would expect Trumps actions will be direct orders from Putin and with the deliberate intention of hurting this country, from leaving NATO to tarriffs. and again, if you dont want to call that treason then fine, its still not acceptable.
he will likely have the anti-ballistic missile sheild disassembled and even given to Putin himself. That is likely coming up in a few years if we dont put a stop to that...REGARDLESS of what you want to call it
From a military strategy stand point having control over Trump is brilliant and extremely good plan. I would do it if I was Russia. Hell with that kind of control I could likely literally use the U.S. Military for my purposes
It is called espionage.... sigh, like I said, KNOW YOUR LAWS. Use the right terminology and you might look less foolish.
@tryit said:
@DerekLoffin said:
@mysticwarriors said:
@ad1x2: What he did in Helsinki was treason. You don't side with a foreign power against your own country.
Why do people keep fielding this idiotic argument? Know your laws on treason, people! It doesn't matter if Trump sets up a press conference and says Putin is personally paying him, that still wouldn't be treason by the law until such time as war is declared against Russia.
the reason is because the likelihood that he is kompromat with the russians is EXTREEMLY high. Not just becuase of Helsinki but when you look at all the known facts its clear what is happening and its very likely to be found out to be treason.
also keep this is mind 'To win is to know your enemy' The investigations are heating up, its highly likely a charge of 'treason' will happen. So you should get information from the otherside on what they see so that you can be ready for it.
meaning, change the friggin channel on your news for once
And as I said, that doesn't matter. It still wouldn't be treason even if came out and flatly admitted it to all the world. Again, know your laws. You look really stupid when you keep going to the 'treason' well when it is completely dry. Until you're at war with Russia, Trump could openly collaborate with them and it still wouldn't be treason. You could get him on many other things, but treason isn't among them.
@mysticwarriors said:
@ad1x2: What he did in Helsinki was treason. You don't side with a foreign power against your own country.
Why do people keep fielding this idiotic argument? Know your laws on treason, people! It doesn't matter if Trump sets up a press conference and says Putin is personally paying him, that still wouldn't be treason by the law until such time as war is declared against Russia.
@jun_aka_pekto: the score referred to there is the user score.
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