Trophies > Achievements ??

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#1 carlisledavid79
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With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

edit (you are now entering one of the most epic threads in SW history, read on)

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#2 FusionApex
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Well lems had it first, and I know someone who gets achievements likes its the new crack, so I'm hoping trophies are just as good.
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#3 Floppy_Jim
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Yeah, I'm interested to see how these trophies work. We also have in-game XMB, the Video Store and Home coming this year, the gap between Live and PSN is really starting to shrink.
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#4 Shafftehr
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What's random about the gamerscore? And, what's better about tropies, exactly?
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When is home coming out anyways? This summer?
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#6 xsubtownerx
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With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

carlisledavid79

Not even close. And you own a 360 so you should know this..

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#7 PS_John
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All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

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#8 Vaasman
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More like trophies = achievements since it's essentially the same thing.
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#9 Shafftehr
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All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John


So, is the basis of the "Trophys > Achievements" line of reasoning that Trophies have a sprite attached to them, while achievements are numerical values?
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#10 akif22
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i think achievements are better because of their simplicity .. a single score is way easier to compare than trophies

and that's partly why people love achievements so much .. competition and bragging

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#11 xsubtownerx
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All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

The score is always displayed next to your username.. Trphies is more like the achievements themselfs which have pictures that you can look at in the "achievement section.

gamerscore > trophies (just another name for "pictures of achievements").

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#12 PS_John
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More like trophies = achievements since it's essentially the same thing.Vaasman

ok whats better?

Or

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#13 covhunter
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To anyone saying that trophies are better if you actually bothered to play a 360 or even look at the achievements screen you would see that various different achievements have their own unique picture associated with them (if the dev can be bothered to make them)

Therefore, Trophies are exactly the same as what 360 owners have except achievements have a pointless number associated with them.

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#14 tmatte
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Cows before trophies : lolz who carez?!

Cows after trophies : LMAO TROPHIES R SO MUCH BETTAR

Lems before trophies : we get achievements lul xbl > psn

Lems after trophies : who cares about achievements :|

Ah, I love hypocracy.

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#15 GnR-SLaSh
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]More like trophies = achievements since it's essentially the same thing.PS_John

ok whats better?

Or

That made me laugh..

Haha but seriously guys, achievements really works, everyone enjoys the replay value they give to games. We have no idea what trophies will be like, so right now for me, achievements >>> trophies..

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#16 Vaasman
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[QUOTE="Vaasman"]More like trophies = achievements since it's essentially the same thing.PS_John

ok whats better?

Or

Both are just a representation of something cool I did, so they are the same. Both are also just a way to show off your gaming cahones.

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#17 ArisShadows
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From the sound of it, it seems it going to be more of hassle to view trophies, so with that no.

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#18 ArisShadows
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[QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

Shafftehr



So, is the basis of the "Trophys > Achievements" line of reasoning that Trophies have a sprite attached to them, while achievements are numerical values?

Its pretty much an icon verus a torphy sprite. Its all about accesability and what works better. IMO, its would have to be the achievements; with it quick access and scoring. I find torphy is be on another level, it more like, I got all these torphies, but they are located in my special room in virtual space. Its a nice idea more a show case of yourself and fiends willing to go that extra mile to view them. I just personally perfer that easy access to them, so anyone can quickly see your so called 'achievements'.

Tho from what I hear, both will have some usage of unlocking stuff in games, thats a nice thing all around.

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#19 dru26
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They're both great now someone needs to kick Miyamoto's ass in gear. I want Nintendo achievements, NOW!!!
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#20 AdolescentDon
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Live is losing it's edge fast? Achievements have been around for 2 and a half years now. Hardly losing anything fast.
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#21 GazzaB
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XBL basically has both. Achievements not only have a description, but they also have their value in gamerpoints and a little picture.

Im guessing whats different with Trophies is that the little picture is in the shape of a trophy! :o Must be better!/sarcasm

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#22 JJRK99
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its funny how cows claim trophies are not a complete copy of achievements, despite the fact trophies came out about 2 years later

:lol: cows are pathetic

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#23 The_Game21x
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How about we wait to see how they're implemented before claiming that they're better than achievements. :wink:
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#24 waynehead895
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Seriously...

Looks better than a trophy.

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#25 waynehead895
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Achievements aren't just numerical value either.

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#26 st1ka
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All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

hipocrisy at its finest

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With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

carlisledavid79

firmware confirmed for fall 2009.

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#28 carlisledavid79
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[QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

-GhostMLD-

firmware confirmed for fall 2009.

Link ?

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Do you have to be in Home to see them?

Or are they available right in the XMB?

Or will the firmware update just prepare the system for upcoming that will have trophies?

Is the data readily available to community/fan developers to create cool things like the 360 gamercards?

What about older PS3 games? Will devs create trophies for those and retrofit the games with updates? Or are they out of luck?

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#30 Floppy_Jim
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[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

carlisledavid79

firmware confirmed for fall 2009.

Link ?

He's just trolling, ignore him.

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#31 PS_John
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[QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

st1ka

hipocrisy at its finest

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

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#32 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

hipocrisy at its finest

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

Hypocrisy (or the state of being a hypocrite) is the act of preaching a certain belief or way of life, but not, in fact, holding these same virtues oneself. (Example: A teacher telling students they should not plagiarize, while secretly being a plagiarist himself.)

a trophy will be nothing be more then a drawing or a badge, most people wont even bother to read more then one or two trophys you unlock, at least gamescore gives you an overall view.

in reality however gamescore= trophies

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i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

PS_John

Wow... it's painfully obvious you don't have a 360.

Each achievement does have a number attached to it, but there's a description as well as a picture. Check wayneheads pic a few posts up.

EDIT...nevermind. I'll just repost the pic:

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#34 JJRK99
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

hipocrisy at its finest

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

WTF did he say?
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#35 -GhostMLD-
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[QUOTE="-GhostMLD-"][QUOTE="carlisledavid79"]

With firmware 2 40 due shortly. One of the features will be a 2d representaion of the trophies you will get in home. Who else thinks this will be better than some random score on a gamercard.

XBL is losing its edge over the PSN fast.

carlisledavid79

firmware confirmed for fall 2009.

Link ?

sony is known to say things FAR from when they are truly ready. dont hold ur breath.

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#36 st1ka
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[QUOTE="PS_John"][QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

JJRK99

hipocrisy at its finest

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

WTF did he say?

hes saying that you can show off trophys but not achievements, well then he could start explaining why so many achievement whores keep showing off ther gamercard, their scores. the games they have been playing lately and what achivements in general they unlocked

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#37 PS_John
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[QUOTE="PS_John"]

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

VoodooHak

Wow... it's painfully obvious you don't have a 360.

Each achievement does have a number attached to it, but there's a description as well as a picture. Check wayneheads pic a few posts up.

EDIT...nevermind. I'll just repost the pic:

well sorry maybe i would know if my 360 didnt RROD a week after i got it and M$ never sent it back

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#38 st1ka
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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

PS_John

Wow... it's painfully obvious you don't have a 360.

Each achievement does have a number attached to it, but there's a description as well as a picture. Check wayneheads pic a few posts up.

EDIT...nevermind. I'll just repost the pic:

well sorry maybe i would know if my 360 didnt RROD a week after i got it and M$ never sent it back

do you honestly expect anyone in here to believe you ever bought a 360?

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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

PS_John

Wow... it's painfully obvious you don't have a 360.

Each achievement does have a number attached to it, but there's a description as well as a picture. Check wayneheads pic a few posts up.

EDIT...nevermind. I'll just repost the pic:

well sorry maybe i would know if my 360 didnt RROD a week after i got it and M$ never sent it back

I'm sorry but I don't really believe you at all. :| Pinochio has a better chance of getting away with lying than you do. :|

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#40 0rin
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This argument is so moot at this point in time due to the fact that no one really knows how the trophy system is going to work.

I really don't care about "which is better" either way. The trophy system will be great, and will no doubt give people extra stuff to do in games, adding to replay value, and encouraging replaying all these single player only games I have sitting around.

But at the same time, I would like my friends/whoever to be able to get my PSN ID, and just go "go to trophy room" or something, and be able to cycle through my trophies/etc.

We don't know if we will have that feature or not yet. They are changing a lot in Home/the PSN. Right now though (as always) it's a waiting game. kinda sucks.
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#41 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

hipocrisy at its finest

i dunno what hipcrisy is but look at it this way

achicvements are just numbers like 10 points for doing a mission all it is is numbers and you cant even check what people did to get the numbers its just a number next to ur $50 a year username.

with trophys u can show off exactly wot u got the trophys for etc and they are not just numbers

Well trust me, while you may not know what a hypocrite is, you sure are being one right now.

Each achievement has both a number and an icon attached to it. The number adds to your cumulative Gamerscore and the icon is there to let other folks compare their achievements to yours, seeing at a glance what you have versus their own collection of achievements.

Oh and you don't need to pay $50 a year to unlock achievements. While that weak attempt at bashing the 360 may have failed miserably, I'll give you an A for effort. :wink:

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my gamertag is PS John

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#43 ArisShadows
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But this is for certian, they better not have any weak torphies, it doesn't have the luxary of having a group score count that achievements have.

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#44 krunkfu2
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All achievements is are is numbers trophys are things you can see

Trophys > Achievements

PS_John

Achievements have pics too

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#45 istreakforfood
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Achievements aren't just numerical value either.

waynehead895

I'm guilty of viewing gamercards of players I'm about to play in Gears. It helped majority of the time to show who were experienced and who weren't by what they unlocked. For example people who had the different 100 weapon achievement would usually be better players than compare to someone who doesn't have them(not the case all the time).

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#46 st1ka
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my gamertag is PS John

PS_John

just out of curiosity when was the last time you used your gamertag?

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#47 Pietrooper
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Maybe it's just me, but if the Trophy system comes out... then they'll probably just be achievements, with the X360 picture plastered on a trophy...
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#48 PS_John
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[QUOTE="PS_John"]

my gamertag is PS John

st1ka

just out of curiosity when was the last time you used your gamertag?

about 3 months ago when trying to play halo 2.5 lagfest online but got RROD

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#49 st1ka
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

my gamertag is PS John

PS_John

just out of curiosity when was the last time you used your gamertag?

about 3 months ago when trying to play halo 2.5 lagfest online but got RROD

3 months ago? well then i got your gamercard right here

it says you last logged on 5 minutes ago and that you never have played a single 360 game in your life

how about that?

did you think we wouldnt know if you created a gamertag just for this thread?

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#50 istreakforfood
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[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="PS_John"]

my gamertag is PS John

PS_John

just out of curiosity when was the last time you used your gamertag?

about 3 months ago when trying to play halo 2.5 lagfest online but got RROD

Shows you haven't played any games and says you joined 10 minutes ago.

Guessing you had someone you know make a silver account for you.