Revengeance Demo sh1tting on Ninja Theory left, right, and center.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o7r_eYookBg

Weapon swicting guys.

Also, if you enter blade mode at the end of a rocket fire, assuming you have two or more rockets, Raiden never reloads so he has infinite missles

OneSanitarium

You can walk in blade mode if you click L3 then move the stick slightly forward.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

In this case the change was a regression.CajunShooter

Doesn't really matter. If you are a person that is gonna whine about every little change to something that is familiar with you then you better lock yourself indoors and cut your self off from all society because whether you like it or not things change. Life is to short to get upset over something as silly as DMC.

I think you misunderstand me, I'm simply providing criticism which in itself is not a bad thing especially when it is constructive.

I don't dislike the game entirely because Dante is different, It's the changes in gameplay that disappoint me.

I'm not physically upset over this or emotionally destraught, just because someone doesn't like something and provides criticism about it doesn't mean they hate all change.

TC if you are going to hate on the new DMC, you best STFU and GTFO!!

megaspiderweb09

Way better than bum ass New Zealand. Thanks for punishing us with that pleb Peter Jackson. God damn twits. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Way better than bum ass New Zealand. Thanks for punishing us with that pleb Peter Jackson. God damn twits. FrozenLiquid

lol, thought this was funny.

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lol, thought this was funny.

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OneSanitarium

That's just brilliant. :lol:

I'm going to hold out for a PC version since they haven't denied it yet. I'm hoping the code is open so I can mess around with stuff after I beat it. If it doesn't happen, the console version may be cheaper by then, so it's still win-win either way.

Gotta love the rating system for this, all it boils down to is spamming blade mode for as long as you can. At least the boss fight wasn't like that (somewhat) but the rest of it was fail. It's hard getting S on the first 3 guys because

1. They die so fast

2. You have to spam blade mode to the point of framerate issues

3. I even reached the point where the PS3 froze at around a 160 hit combo.

I mean really? They just want me to isolate each guy and spam blade mode to get the S?

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

In this case the change was a regression.CajunShooter

Doesn't really matter. If you are a person that is gonna whine about every little change to something that is familiar with you then you better lock yourself indoors and cut your self off from all society because whether you like it or not things change. Life is to short to get upset over something as silly as DMC.

Most of the impressions I've seen so far point to DmC being better game and MGR being destroyed by terrible controls and camera.

Gotta love the rating system for this, all it boils down to is spamming blade mode for as long as you can. At least the boss fight wasn't like that (somewhat) but the rest of it was fail. It's hard getting S on the first 3 guys because

1. They die so fast

2. You have to spam blade mode to the point of framerate issues

3. I even reached the point where the PS3 froze at around a 160 hit combo.

I mean really? They just want me to isolate each guy and spam blade mode to get the S?

GD1551

Obviously not if you didn't get an S like that. The mission probably changes in the full game, since you need to get a zandetsu on all three of the guys. It IS silly hard to get an S though.

And from what I can tell, doing a ton of hits in blade mode doesn't really help that much. After just a few hits you usually get the +1000 rating, so you don't need to go into the massively high numbers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o7r_eYookBg

Weapon swicting guys.

Also, if you enter blade mode at the end of a rocket fire, assuming you have two or more rockets, Raiden never reloads so he has infinite missles

OneSanitarium

Obviously not if you didn't get an S like that. The mission probably changes in the full game, since you need to get a zandetsu on all three of the guys. It IS silly hard to get an S though.

And from what I can tell, doing a ton of hits in blade mode doesn't really help that much. After just a few hits you usually get the +1000 rating, so you don't need to go into the massively high numbers.

OneSanitarium

I eventually got S doing that actually, I got S in the whole thing long ago, I was just trying to gauge the scoring system that last playthrough. I'm also not sure why they are forcing people to pull out the spines as part of the scoring system, seems extremely silly considering they give full health.. I'd think the less spines the better..

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o7r_eYookBg

Weapon swicting guys.

Also, if you enter blade mode at the end of a rocket fire, assuming you have two or more rockets, Raiden never reloads so he has infinite missles

Some-Mist

Looks really great. I also heard there will be a weapon similar to the wooden blade from Ninja Gaiden, for a no kill run.

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Anarchy Reigns is better than Revengeance.

Also, Kung Fu Chaos is fuking awesome.

So i played this game and HOLY COW the frame rate is high for a console game and that DOG boss battle is ridiculous, i eventually gave up. The parry system isnt effective and why cant this NINJA dash/dodge despite all the muscles he has but overall it was a positive experience, looking forward

megaspiderweb09

It sucks compared to Bayonetta, can't wait for Bayonetta 2.

The parry system is pretty bad in this game and the so called "stealth" is even worse unless it changes in the full game. Don't get me wrong there was some fun parts but the bad parry system,bad stealth,bad dialogue,bad tutorial and bad character animations will probably hinder my full enjoyment of the game.

Most of the impressions I've seen so far point to DmC being better game and MGR being destroyed by terrible controls and camera.

AdrianWerner

I played both demos earlier tonight and had fun with both, but I liked DMC a little better. getyeryayasout

If you really want to play DMC, I suggest renting it as the game is short and disappointing. especially if you have become accustomed to the combat of 3 and 4.

I just popped 3 in again last night, and everything flows so damn well even still, there was no reason to remove lock on, I prefered using my control sticks to do combo's more than holding down L2, R2.

I didn't like it at all compared to bayonetta god of war and even DMC it felt bad

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="getyeryayasout"] I played both demos earlier tonight and had fun with both, but I liked DMC a little better. getyeryayasout

If you really want to play DMC, I suggest renting it as the game is short and disappointing. especially if you have become accustomed to the combat of 3 and 4.

I just popped 3 in again last night, and everything flows so damn well even still, there was no reason to remove lock on, I prefered using my control sticks to do combo's more than holding down L2, R2.

The worst part is that it contains the least amount of combat in the series yet, there are long stretches of nothing but the extremely boring platforming.

that and getting used to using every damn button on the controller is something I really dislike, I'm just not used to having to use my triggers constantly unless it's a shooter, personal preference I guess.

The parry system is pretty bad in this game and the so called "stealth" is even worse unless it changes in the full game. Don't get me wrong there was some fun parts but the bad parry system,bad stealth,bad dialogue,bad tutorial and bad character animations will probably hinder my full enjoyment of the game.

Ballroompirate

I agree that the stealth is mediocre at best, mostly because of the stupid AI. But how bad is the parry system? I got the hang of it after about 5 seconds into the demo, it basically the moon of mahaakalaa in Bayonetta.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o7r_eYookBg

Weapon swicting guys.

Also, if you enter blade mode at the end of a rocket fire, assuming you have two or more rockets, Raiden never reloads so he has infinite missles

Some-Mist

Most of the impressions I've seen so far point to DmC being better game and MGR being destroyed by terrible controls and camera.

AdrianWerner

That's because it is a superior game. MGR's camera is too close and the scoring system is whack, the stealth is whack and the game is pretty easy, the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff.

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Most of the impressions I've seen so far point to DmC being better game and MGR being destroyed by terrible controls and camera.

GD1551

That's because it is a superior game. MGR's camera is too close and the scoring system is whack, the stealth is whack and the game is pretty easy, the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Most of the impressions I've seen so far point to DmC being better game and MGR being destroyed by terrible controls and camera.

Some-Mist

That's because it is a superior game. MGR's camera is too close and the scoring system is whack, the stealth is whack and the game is pretty easy, the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff.

I don't see why it's an issue, will the full game change the issues here?

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

battle system is not even half as deep as DMC3-DMC4 but at least it still got dat Japanese flair even if they ruined the Metal Gear story in the process. PG should have let KojiPro handle the story and make the game less over the top.That way the game would have feel more like a Metal Gear game instead of Vanquish with swords and Kamen Riders.

Yangire

Why would you want the game less over the top? As a spin-off it doesn't have to be like the main MGS games.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

That's because it is a superior game. MGR's camera is too close and the scoring system is whack, the stealth is whack and the game is pretty easy, the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff.

Some-Mist

He's just being silly as always.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

That's because it is a superior game. MGR's camera is too close and the scoring system is whack, the stealth is whack and the game is pretty easy, the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff.

GD1551

I don't see why it's an issue, will the full game change the issues here?

I would think at least the easy aspect would change since hard mode won't be locked like it is the demo. But then again, you said bayonetta wasn't hard even though you didn't play it on non-stop infinite climax... so I guess it wouldn't change for you.Some-Mist

I said bayonetta on hard wasn't hard, big difference and I can agree with you on that point, but how about the rest of them? That weapon trailer didn't get my excited since it seemed like everything was just blades but each had a special function, so most of the combos are going to be the same.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

I would think at least the easy aspect would change since hard mode won't be locked like it is the demo. But then again, you said bayonetta wasn't hard even though you didn't play it on non-stop infinite climax... so I guess it wouldn't change for you.GD1551

I said bayonetta on hard wasn't hard, big difference and I can agree with you on that point, but how about the rest of them? That weapon trailer didn't get my excited since it seemed like everything was just blades but each had a special function, so most of the combos are going to be the same.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]

I would think at least the easy aspect would change since hard mode won't be locked like it is the demo. But then again, you said bayonetta wasn't hard even though you didn't play it on non-stop infinite climax... so I guess it wouldn't change for you.Some-Mist

I said bayonetta on hard wasn't hard, big difference and I can agree with you on that point, but how about the rest of them? That weapon trailer didn't get my excited since it seemed like everything was just blades but each had a special function, so most of the combos are going to be the same.

The stealth system is part of the game, of course I'm going to comment on it.

I never complained about the controls, I said they were fine.

My other major complaints were about the grading system and the camera being too close.

[QUOTE="Some-Mist"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

I said bayonetta on hard wasn't hard, big difference and I can agree with you on that point, but how about the rest of them? That weapon trailer didn't get my excited since it seemed like everything was just blades but each had a special function, so most of the combos are going to be the same.

GD1551

The stealth system is part of the game, of course I'm going to comment on it.

I never complained about the controls, I said they were fine.

My other major complaints were about the grading system and the camera being too close.

I actually would question what was so bad about the "stealth" in the demo. It was basic, and I don't see them doing anything elaborate with it. From a demo standpoint all it really was for the player to survey the area, and then act accordingly. It seems like a very basic change of pace thing between straight up running in and slicing everything. If they do anything more elaborate with it I can see it being an issue. As you don't really have the ability to do you know get behind cover, lean, and all that stuff.

The multiple weapons being straight up blades might be an issue if there aren't some differences, because then you end up with a God of War 3 scenario. Where you essentially have 3 variants of the same weapon. The controls I person would argue are fine. A quick adjustment period is needed, and then it's smooth sailing. The combat is fluid, and most of the inputs are natural with the rest of your inputs.

Camera I'm iffy on. Nothing in the demo made the closeness of that camera much of an issue, but...the same happened with the NG2 demo.

I really hate how I have to spam blade mode to get the 1k in combo... like what is the threshold for that? Is it random? Addtionally BM cancelling makes that dog die fast as hell, especially since you can throw him in the air or incase you do an incorrect input and get something with a slow animation and he's about to attack.

and those are issues, but you stated that "the controls are fine though but it's not really traditional stuff." If the controls were more "traditional" would it make the game better? I don't get why you stated that or what in your original comment? Some-Mist

It was aimed at adrianwerner's post specifically since he said he heard the controls were bad.

I actually would question what was so bad about the "stealth" in the demo. It was basic, and I don't see them doing anything elaborate with it. From a demo standpoint all it really was for the player to survey the area, and then act accordingly. It seems like a very basic change of pace thing between straight up running in and slicing everything. If they do anything more elaborate with it I can see it being an issue. As you don't really have the ability to do you know get behind cover, lean, and all that stuff.

The multiple weapons being straight up blades might be an issue if there aren't some differences, because then you end up with a God of War 3 scenario. Where you essentially have 3 variants of the same weapon. The controls I person would argue are fine. A quick adjustment period is needed, and then it's smooth sailing. The combat is fluid, and most of the inputs are natural with the rest of your inputs.

Camera I'm iffy on. Nothing in the demo made the closeness of that camera much of an issue, but...the same happened with the NG2 demo.

jg4xchamp

The threshold is really small. Spamming blade mode doesn't really net you any more score, and IIRC you only need 4k points for an S in that area.

You only need 40 some hits for the +1000, which isn't hard to just casually do against 5 different enemies.

edit: Nope, it's 5k, but you can do that without getting the +1000 from the hits as long as you no damage it.