PS4 DRM reversal. Why is it ignored here?

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#1 Edited by GoldenElementXL (2516 posts) -

This stuff is crazy old but I feel like it needs to be addressed once again on this board. There have been many posts lately where people are jumping on others that claim Sony was going to do the same thing Microsoft was with DRM. I know it's not what most people want to hear, but it's the truth.


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DRM-Xbox-One-PlayStation-4-Shuhei-Yoshida-Hiroshi-Kawano,23292.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/sony-files-patent-curb-access-used-video-games-1005876

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

#2 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

#3 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (3068 posts) -

Because there wasn't one?

Lem delusion is best delusion.

#4 Posted by Heil68 (42443 posts) -

Because SONY is by gamers for gamers AND practices the Live, Learn and Love lifestyle.

#5 Posted by thegroveman (115 posts) -

Because the rule is Microsoft and Nintendo bad, Valve and Sony good, right? There's no compromise, pragmatism, or understanding here!

#6 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

Because the rule is Microsoft and Nintendo bad, Valve and Sony good, right? There's no compromise, pragmatism, or understanding here!

If you're only looking at this point in time this is true. A little over a year ago that would not have been the same order of bad and good.

#7 Posted by kuu2 (6769 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Because SONY is by gamers for gamers AND practices the Live, Learn and Love lifestyle.

Yeah they are for gamers alright. Just ask the online users of MAG, and GT5.

#8 Edited by GoldenElementXL (2516 posts) -

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

#9 Edited by Muffin2020 (527 posts) -

Not sure what they are suppose to have done wrong.

They thought about and released it would be a shit idea.

#10 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5849 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Because SONY is by gamers for gamers AND practices the Live, Learn and Love lifestyle.

*gives big hug*

I love you man. I really do!

#11 Edited by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

Yep I saw the link, my comment was in reaction to that exact source. MS took their sweet time retracting there position, well after they would have had preorder numbers.

#12 Posted by Heil68 (42443 posts) -
#13 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5849 posts) -

It is ignored here because cows have the majority in numbers. The have the ability to turn a blind eye to anything that doesn't benefit their cause.

Perfect example: Forza micro transactions "OMG MS is killing gaming"

GT6 micro transactions "well you don't have to buy them"

Now put that on a bigger stage such as DRM. MS are evil bastards who want to kill you and take your money and Sony can do no wrong. Yeah.

#14 Posted by shawn30 (4239 posts) -

This stuff is crazy old but I feel like it needs to be addressed once again on this board. There have been many posts lately where people are jumping on others that claim Sony was going to do the same thing Microsoft was with DRM. I know it's not what most people want to hear, but it's the truth.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DRM-Xbox-One-PlayStation-4-Shuhei-Yoshida-Hiroshi-Kawano,23292.html

http://www.ibtimes.com/sony-files-patent-curb-access-used-video-games-1005876

http://ps4daily.com/2013/06/sony-changed-playstation-4-drm-policy-after-xbox-one-outrage/

You're right, but its cool if Cows live in denial, lol. Both companies were going to do it and ultimately backlash is why both companies did not do it. Neither is anymore guilty than the other and always online is coming at some point no matter what. But again, you're right. Cows ignore anything Sony does and find ways to downplay it or say that made up for it, all the while pretending MS doesn't deserve the same second chance. Typical fanboy BS :) Cows and facts don't mix

Cows Gonna Cow

#15 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (3068 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

Actually he said the reaction was used as a means to market the fact that policy was staying the same: keep quiet about it and put out some patents to con MS then lay the absolute smackdown at E3. It was sublime. If only you lems had stayed in the gutter you crawled into afterwards.

#16 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5849 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

@FoxbatAlpha:

When are we going to game?

Im into BF4 right now. Addicted to the damn unlocks. Getting a party into a game is almost hopeless sometimes.

I maybe up for something else this weekend. DR3 and Ryse are the ones you have right?

#17 Posted by Dire_Weasel (15842 posts) -

There was never an anti-consumer DRM policy for the Playstation 4, either announced, or put in place. Therefore, there was never a reversal.

#18 Edited by thegroveman (115 posts) -

@thegroveman said:

Because the rule is Microsoft and Nintendo bad, Valve and Sony good, right? There's no compromise, pragmatism, or understanding here!

If you're only looking at this point in time this is true. A little over a year ago that would not have been the same order of bad and good.

Well, Nintendo is always in the 'bad' column and Valve is always 'good,' the other spaces are just rentals.

#19 Posted by lostrib (30857 posts) -

They never actually tried to implement it

#20 Edited by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

#21 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16371 posts) -

You are posting old ass articles for one. Second, show me an article of Sony saying they were blocking used games.

#22 Edited by Muffin2020 (527 posts) -

There was never an anti-consumer DRM policy for the Playstation 4, either announced, or put in place. Therefore, there was never a reversal.

Exactly.

#23 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

So it looks like you answered your own question.

#24 Posted by VendettaRed07 (13997 posts) -

having the ideas floating around and making patents when brainstorming ideas for a new console, and actually trying to act upon one of them are completely different...

#25 Posted by tdkmillsy (1190 posts) -

pretty much covered in other posts

Anything Microsoft does is bad

Anything Sony does is the best

But theres no fanboys, honest.

#26 Posted by GoldenElementXL (2516 posts) -

@GoldenElementXL said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

Actually he said the reaction was used as a means to market the fact that policy was staying the same: keep quiet about it and put out some patents to con MS then lay the absolute smackdown at E3. It was sublime. If only you lems had stayed in the gutter you crawled into afterwards.

I'm not a lem.

#27 Posted by bbkkristian (14644 posts) -

Because Sony is the golden child to the fanboys in Gamespot.

#28 Posted by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

So it looks like you answered your own question.

The savvy move was making many feel they played MS with the reveal, but were probably waiting on the DRM reaction. Doesn't take intelligence to see someone taking damage to know you don't want any part of that.

#29 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

So it looks like you answered your own question.

The savvy move was making many feel they played MS with the reveal, but were probably waiting on the DRM reaction. Doesn't take intelligence to see someone taking damage to know you don't want any part of that.

I feel like you're debating yourself over semantics. Do you feel better?

#30 Edited by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

having the ideas floating around and making patents when brainstorming ideas for a new console, and actually trying to act upon one of them are completely different...

Ok. But hypothetically, if people reacted to X1 with an attitude of "yes, we are ready for going digital, and Gamestop is raping devs with used sales" would MS get the credit or would you be saying "Sony filed patents to do the same thing so No its not innovation"?

#31 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (3068 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

@GoldenElementXL said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

Actually he said the reaction was used as a means to market the fact that policy was staying the same: keep quiet about it and put out some patents to con MS then lay the absolute smackdown at E3. It was sublime. If only you lems had stayed in the gutter you crawled into afterwards.

I'm not a lem.

Then you're alright.

#32 Posted by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

So it looks like you answered your own question.

The savvy move was making many feel they played MS with the reveal, but were probably waiting on the DRM reaction. Doesn't take intelligence to see someone taking damage to know you don't want any part of that.

I feel like you're debating yourself over semantics. Do you feel better?

You're the one who is bringing your feelings into it. how do you feel?

#33 Edited by Chutebox (36040 posts) -

If they did, who gives ashit? As long as they changed it

#34 Posted by Heil68 (42443 posts) -
#35 Posted by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

@cainetao11 said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Does it take being smarter to see someone taking an ass chewing to not go there? It was exactly what Sony said they would do. Let MS make the first move. When they decided to reveal the PS4 early in the year many thought that they played MS. But the play was waiting on the DRM issue at E3. Savvy business move.

So it looks like you answered your own question.

The savvy move was making many feel they played MS with the reveal, but were probably waiting on the DRM reaction. Doesn't take intelligence to see someone taking damage to know you don't want any part of that.

I feel like you're debating yourself over semantics. Do you feel better?

You're the one who is bringing your feelings into it. how do you feel?

Great as usual, thanks for asking.

#36 Posted by tdkmillsy (1190 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

If they did, who gives ashit? As long as they changed it

Microsoft changed it but they still got shit for it.

#37 Edited by ni6htmare01 (832 posts) -

@tdkmillsy:

@Chutebox said:

If they did, who gives ashit? As long as they changed it

Microsoft changed it but they still got shit for it.

The different is, Sony never came out and said they have DRM, it was only rumor and speculate (but pretty sure they had it in their mind.) MS on the other hand came out, made a big things about it and it back fire them

#38 Edited by TheEroica (12961 posts) -

Nobody talks about the guy who stands on the side of the road watching the car wreck unfold... We talk about the guy who needs the jaws of life to cut him out of the mess he made.

Sony makes lots of mistakes, this wasnt' one of them.

#39 Edited by asylumni (2060 posts) -

@VendettaRed07 said:

having the ideas floating around and making patents when brainstorming ideas for a new console, and actually trying to act upon one of them are completely different...

Ok. But hypothetically, if people reacted to X1 with an attitude of "yes, we are ready for going digital, and Gamestop is raping devs with used sales" would MS get the credit or would you be saying "Sony filed patents to do the same thing so No its not innovation"?

Except the changes MS made did nothing to prevent anyone from getting all their games via download, the DRM scheme only prevented people from selling the games themselves or loaning games to friends and secured Gamestop's role in the aftermarket as an authorized agent, and Sony already tried the download only option with the poorly received PSP Go.

#40 Edited by SystemWarsMan (913 posts) -
#41 Posted by WG_McFartypants (218 posts) -

Because, it seems, cows are an angry, angry bunch...

#42 Posted by Chutebox (36040 posts) -

@tdkmillsy:

@tdkmillsy said:

@Chutebox said:

If they did, who gives ashit? As long as they changed it

Microsoft changed it but they still got shit for it.

The different is, Sony never came out and said they have DRM, it was only rumor and speculate (but pretty sure they had it in their mind.) MS on the other hand came out, made a big things about it and it back fire them

Surprised this had to be said.

#43 Edited by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

@asylumni said:

@cainetao11 said:

@VendettaRed07 said:

having the ideas floating around and making patents when brainstorming ideas for a new console, and actually trying to act upon one of them are completely different...

Ok. But hypothetically, if people reacted to X1 with an attitude of "yes, we are ready for going digital, and Gamestop is raping devs with used sales" would MS get the credit or would you be saying "Sony filed patents to do the same thing so No its not innovation"?

Except the changes MS made did nothing to prevent anyone from getting all their games via download, the DRM scheme only prevented people from selling the games themselves or loaning games to friends and secured Gamestop's role in the aftermarket as an authorized agent, and Sony already tried the download only option with the poorly received PSP Go.

How does that answer the hypothetical question asked?

#44 Edited by Shewgenja (7725 posts) -

Operative question is, why are Lems hell-bent on trying to drag Sony through their mud. LOL DERP!

#45 Posted by Couth_ (9907 posts) -

@thegroveman said:

Because the rule is Microsoft and Nintendo bad, Valve and Sony good, right? There's no compromise, pragmatism, or understanding here!

If you're only looking at this point in time this is true. A little over a year ago that would not have been the same order of bad and good.

The funny thing is Xbox DRM model would have been not unlike STEAMs DRM.. If the internet weren't such cry babies about it we may have been on the way towards cheaper console games, more and more frequent sales of games.. But no

#46 Posted by tormentos (16262 posts) -

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

The reaction for MS DRM had been going on for months before it was confirmed,in fact you can find many threads here done about MS DRM which lemming like you dismiss as rumors,on May what MS deliver was a semi confirmation even that the voices were already strong and fans were outrage,when E3 arrive and they confirmed all the bad crap the real riot exploded,MS wanted to keep ahead with DRM,it wasn't until they saw how bad pre-orders were that the decide to drop it.

Even if sony think about it yeah they were ultra fast and didn't actually implement it,it is easy to see the PS4 didn't need an upgrade to erase DRM like MS did.

#47 Posted by asylumni (2060 posts) -

@asylumni said:

@cainetao11 said:

@VendettaRed07 said:

having the ideas floating around and making patents when brainstorming ideas for a new console, and actually trying to act upon one of them are completely different...

Ok. But hypothetically, if people reacted to X1 with an attitude of "yes, we are ready for going digital, and Gamestop is raping devs with used sales" would MS get the credit or would you be saying "Sony filed patents to do the same thing so No its not innovation"?

Except the changes MS made did nothing to prevent anyone from getting all their games via download, the DRM scheme only prevented people from selling the games themselves or loaning games to friends and secured Gamestop's role in the aftermarket as an authorized agent, and Sony already tried the download only option with the poorly received PSP Go.

How does that answer the hypothetical question asked?

It shows that your hypothetical question changes everything about the situation and is simply ridiculous. The DRM scheme had nothing to do with the reaction you suggested. Then you asked if MS would get credit; credit for what, exactly? You might as well ask, "What if MS included $1000 Xbox Live credit with each console?" What's the point?

#48 Edited by HalcyonScarlet (3661 posts) -

@GoldenElementXL said:

@-RPGamer- said:

So Sony was smarter sooner than MS? K.

Shuhei Yoshida said that Sony changed it's policy after the reaction to Microsoft announcing it's policy with the Xbox One. So I wouldn't say they were smarter sooner. Going second put them in a position to look like the hero. Sony being so quiet on the subject in the end is what saved them. Microsoft put it all out there and paid for it.

Yep I saw the link, my comment was in reaction to that exact source. MS took their sweet time retracting there position, well after they would have had preorder numbers.

I don't think it's that simple. A company can't flipflop after 24hrs every time fans throw their toys out of the pram.

Steam wouldn't even exist if Valve didn't initially force that shit down everyones throat, everyone hated it. Even now, steam sales are the only reason it's tolerated.

A company has to give it some time and consider everything and then come to a decision. Valve were in a position where they could bend the consumer over the table and force the steam client if you wanted to play their games. And in the PC games market they can do that. MS, after considering the competition and the gamers, they knew it would never work out. Every company does this. They usually play out a bad idea for a bit before dropping it,

People who think they did it just because of preorder numbers are just overly cynical and really not thinking it through. And the people that think MS are going to be the ones to push DRM again first are mad, MS haven't got the guts to be the first to push such a radical idea again. And Sony won't because they dont push anything. I really don't know where this leaves the idea of a digital only console, because no ones going to have the balls to push on with that anymore.

#49 Posted by cainetao11 (15551 posts) -

@asylumni: There is a reason for it being Hypothetical. It isn't real. But saying there is a difference between securing patents for something, and actually attempting it is totally different, as you did. Most come down on MS for attempting it. I say if the response had been neutral to positive, Sony takes to the stage at E3 after and has the same thing lined up for PS4. And cows would say, "sony had patents for the same thing". So in negative patents don't mean anything, but hypothetically positive, I think patents are all meaningful in the argument.

#50 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8399 posts) -

Because Sony is the golden child to the fanboys in Gamespot.

Sony is the golden child on just about any gaming site....