It kind of depends on the type of game. For RPG - story/presentation, mechanics, graphics, voice acting all play key roles. For action-adventure/FPS, controls, graphics/framerate, fun, story/presentation. A great game is one that you enjoy playing no matter its resolution or what system its on of anything else. It just needs to be fun and then you go from there.
There are a number of hardcore GT fans who are being the most vocal online about the quality of the game, so I guess this isn't so surprising. When your diehard fans are pissed, expect major problems. But the dev is so talented that I truly think GT7 for the PS4 will be amazing. And as much as I like Forza 5, Forza 6 will likely kill it.
Game comes out months after console releases, lems bring the "leave x1 some time, devs need to learn esram". Two year passes, Halo 6 comes out, is in 720p, lems bring the same bullshit "leave X1 some time, devs need to learn its hardware" lol. The game will be in 720p like the large majority of X1 titles and when its not 720p it'll be 900p. 1080p on X1 will be the miracle titles and mostly sports titles....
Not really. Lems are far more concerned with the game being great than appeasing the resolution fiends, lol. If a game is 1080p and sucks it still sucks. If Remedy or 343 or Respawn or Lionhead or Turn 10 say 720 or 900 upscaled gives us the best gameplay and graphics no one will complain if the game turns out to be great. Before this gen I enjoyed tons of non 1080p native games. If the PS4 games regularly hit 1080p more often that's good, but the console fails to deliver the games I want the best. And sacrificing resolution on multiplat to play with my pals, enjoy the MS exclusives and the Ones features, I'll make that compromise.
Having said all of that no doubt the devs will over the next two years optimize the hell out of Xbox One games and they will look miles better than launch titles. But if getting Halo 5 720 upscaled or 900 upscaled is a win for PS4, lol, you don't know why people play Halo in the first place. Where exactly did 1080p get Killzone? Nowhere. If the game is great then that's what counts. Resolution wars is lost on me. Great games wars is not.
all i see are corridor games latest addition QB and it's looking dull when will we see a open world 1080p games on Xbone? aka infamous Second son
is it even possible for xbone or is it a waste of wishfull thinking i also wonder why Ryse couldn't even hit 1080p when it is this small
it's a good trick i'll give crytek that make your game as small as possible free up resources and make people think it's the best looking game and on top of that lower the resolution free up more so we can atleast hit 25 fps.
it seems in the future we are all playing bigger exclusives games on ps4 and tiny exclusives games to meet ps4 GFX or ugly lower resolution exclusive open world games on xbone aka DR3
will MS force devs to lower resolutions to keep up with ps4 ?
all i see ATM is the bigger the uglier a xbone game gets
Could care less really. Ryse looks amazing and so does Battlefield. If the loss of the resolution battle is a constant thing after seeing multiple 720p One games up-scaled I'm not having a issue so long as the game is good. I love the visuals of the latter levels of CoD, but the game sucks overall. I'm far more concerned with that. More importantly games like Quantum Drive, Titanfall, Fable Legends, Halo 5, and Sunset Overdrive are far more interesting to me than the resolution fight. Especially after gauging the differences with my own two eyes for the last couple of weeks. The One will be fine graphically, if behind the PS4 in multiplat visuals. But it won't be behind in game quality from what I have seen and know is coming. That matters most to me *shrugs*
@lhughey said:@blackace said:
@Jakandsigz: Does anyone believe anything Michael Pachter says? We know the XB1 price is holding it back from selling more units and there will definitely be a price for it in the future. Microsoft is not going to cut the price within the first year, unless sales get as bad as the Wii U. If it does get a price cut it will probably be to $450 with Kinect and $400 without it. Microsoft really needs to sell the system in more territories. Especially if they want to make up for the lack of sales in Japan.
M$ would be foolish to sell the device without the Kinect. The Kinect is its biggest differentiating feature. They need to encourage Kinect developer investment by ensuring a large install base.
bingo, this. I wouldn't want my One without kinect after a few weeks with it.
If the game sucks, it sucks and deserves these scores.
The problem is there are so many fans who love GT and will still buy it, regardless of the score.
It will sell a ton and polyphony won't care about the scores because of the crazy sales.
Very true indeed.
"In fact, on the PS4 we never felt or noticed anything other than a locked 30fps update at all during our four hours or so of capturing - an impressive feat considering the boost to 1080p rendering. The Xbox One version ... at 900p, but there are times when the frame-rate is noticeably compromised, resulting in uneven motion and even the odd torn frame (too few in number to be noticeable)."
"On that note it's clear that the PS4 game is the definitive release of Assassin's Creed 4 on the console formats. While the experience doesn't come close to defining next-gen gaming, the boost in hardware capability now makes it possible to enjoy Black Flag for all its flaws and accomplishments without anything else getting in the way - plus you get an hour's worth of exclusive content too, available only on PS3 and PS4. In that respect the PS4 game is worth coughing up extra for over the current gen releases, and if you already own the PS3 version then trading up to the PS4 edition for just £10 is a no-brainer."
So both versions are good, but one has the more consistent frame rate and higher resolution. Cool.
Been hearing this argument a whole lot lately when it comes to the XBox One and its seeming case of ADD when it comes to being a games console or a general entertainment machine. Well, let's fire up the old Wayback Machine, shall we?
Kutaragi: PlayStation 3 "is not a games machine"
Sony Computer Entertainment head says the PS3 is a home media and entertainment supercomputer, and not just a games machine.
When the PlayStation 2 was released in 2000, it broke the gaming console mold by including support for playing DVDs. Now, Ken Kutaragi, president of Sony Computer Entertainment, is portraying the PlayStation 3 as an all-around entertainment and media machine that will not only play games, but will also store and play back video. In a series of two interviews with Impress PC Watch, Kutaragi revealed that the PlayStation 3 will become an "entertainment supercomputer" for the home.
"The PlayStation  is not a game machine. We've never once called it a game machine," stated Kutaragi at the beginning of his latest interview. "The PS3 is the product we have been aiming for since the establishment of SCEI", said Kutaragi. "We haven't been creating our [past] PlayStations for the sake of games. Our belief, and the motivation behind running our company, has been to (explore ways of) applying the power of computers to entertainment and enjoyment. We equipped the original PlayStation with a 3D graphics chip, and we equipped the PS2 with the Emotion engine. The PS3 isn't designed to lean towards games. It's not a computer for children. In the sense that our goal has been (to create) a computer that's meant for entertainment, you could say that the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2 had existed as steps towards the PlayStation 3."
"With the original PlayStation, our intentions were to bring SGI-quality graphics into households. With the PS3, our intentions have been to create a machine with supercomputer calculation capabilities for home entertainment. That's why we teamed up with IBM, which is known for its supercomputers, and codeveloped the Cell together with them and Toshiba," said Kutaragi.
"PCs that are currently available have been created as work tools. They've begun selling computers with media playback capabilities, such as the Media Center PC, but those just imitate the functions of home electronics. It's not like those machines have been created solely for entertainment. On the other hand, the PS3 has been created [specifically] as a computer for entertainment. Entertainment refers to a lot of things, and not just to games. The PS3 will be able to provide powerful functions for all of the [imaginable] forms of entertainment," commented Kutaragi.
When asked about the difference in concept between Microsoft's Xbox 360 and the PlayStation 3, Kutaragi commented, "I can understand the (Xbox 360's) approach of adopting multiple, all-purpose processors. However, that will just raise integer calculation capabilities, and it will only benefit general applications. It will increase the machine's capabilities as an all-purpose computer, but it won't change the types of entertainment. On the other hand, the Cell (which is said to specialise in floating point calculations in comparison to normal CPUs) was created to 'generate', or, in other words, to produce virtual objects and phenomenons inside the computer.
"We want to realise a new future in entertainment with the use of computers. For example, we showed the demo with the ducks moving in a physics simulation during the press conference. That was a virtual world that was being 'generated' inside the PS3 (using the Cell's processing power). Just raising the graphics capabilities and output resolution won't change anything from the current world of video game consoles," said Kutaragi. He went on to say that Microsoft's new game console is more of an "Xbox 1.5" than a new console, in the sense that it seems like an extension of the original Xbox.
Kutaragi gave one example of how the PS3's powerful calculation abilities and broadband network connection could be used for new and original entertainment endeavours. "Users will be able to store their content in an online storage server called the 'Cell Storage'. And the Cell processor, when it's not being used, can refine the content's quality. We call it the 'ageing' process. For example, users can 'age' their Standard Definition (SD) video and up-convert it to High Definition (HD) video. We have many plans (for the PS3), but this 'Cell Storage' service is something that we definitely intend to launch. By using the Cell's security feature, users will be able to rip DVDs that include copyright protection and lay it in the storage area to refine its video quality."
As the company revealed during E3, it's teamed up with leading PC graphics card maker Nvidia to create a new graphics chip, called the RSX, for the PS3. "Our new GPU has been co-created with Nvidia. I drew a road map for the future together with (Nvidia president) Jen-Hsun, and the starting point of that road map is the RSX. Many people seem to think that the PS3's GPU is an upgraded model of GPUs for the PC, but it actually has a completely different architecture," explained Kutaragi, whose comments seemed to indicate that the two companies might work together again on the inevitable PlayStation 4.
When asked about the decision to add an SD memory slot to the PS3, Kutaragi commented, "SCEI and PlayStation will openly adopt world standards that have a good reputation amongst technicians. So SD Cards and Memory Sticks are the same to us. We will treat them equally, and we won't follow an independent path."
"In terms of codecs, the Cell has the power to easily transcode high-quality (pictures and audio) in real-time. So (file) formats won't really be too important," added Kutaragi.
Sony officially announced its next-generation gaming console just before the opening of last week's E3 in Los Angeles. Check out CNET.com.au's previous PS3 coverage for more information and specifications on the machine.
Funny, how all these people telling us the XBox One is "innovative" weren't lined up with money in hand for the PS3.
What thebPS3 brought to the table and what the Xbox One does are so vastly different its not a fair comparison. MS has created a all-in-one entertainment console and I'm enjoying that aspect of it. My gaming tastes are well satisfied but now my wife even uses the thing and my kids have friends over and watch Netflix all from voice commands. Sometimes its not a roster of big things but a cluster of small ones that make a console worthwhile. There's nothing at all wrong with Sony's PS4 focus on being about games. I applaud them cause they seem to have done a great job. But that sole focus, coupled with their year one gamin lineup doesn't appeal to me the way Xbox Ones features and gaming line-up does. As with all thing you like what you like. But to me 400 and 500 bucks are alot of money and I want my console to do more than just play games the same way the last one did. The Xbox One feels next gen to me for the sum of all that it does and the way I use it daily. The PS4, while a monster spec wise does not yet have a game that makes you look at the X1 games and say this is next gen and that isn't. At least not to me. And until they do I don't even think the PS4 is a superior gaming console.
the cows have been owned because they all came here to shout about how the xbone will fail at launch and how nobody will buy it and that miscrosoft was doomed. Yet just as I predicted system wars is not the real world and does not in any way shape or form represent the demographics of the people who will actually be going out and buying these consoles. So yes the cows have been owned. By all accounts this is a very successful launch for the xbone and microsoft is well on it's way to having a great gen. So yes the cows have been owned and they need to accept it and move on.
This and amen. Irregardless of who has the better sales right now, alot of Cows predicted MS would have a failure of a launch and not even be close to Sony in sales. Each gen is its own story and this one is just beginning. But to anyone who has written off the Xbox One at launch, you're simply wrong. Going forward we shall see what happens, but so far MS has to be damn pleased considering all those online polls and all those gaming forum threads and all the doom and gloom people... none of it has manifested itself in real life. Kudos to MS for one heck of a turnaround since E3. Far from perfect, but nothing resembling a disaster. All in all MS has to be damn pleased.
@GrenadeLauncher said:@shawn30 said:
It did not, where is your proof. If you ask for mine I will share it. PS3 has never for even a day been ahead of the 360. Did you miss all the threads here in September/October where the quarterly reports clearly showed the 360 in the lead?
Worldwide, Xdrone. PS3's been crushing it since 2010 after the Kinect failed. And now the Xbone doesn't have a year lead, it will never be ahead. What a tragedy.
*sees MS claim*
*sees reports of Xbones found in stores in the US right now*
*sees that Amazon has not sold out of Xbox One's since it went back on sale*
Does this mean Mr.Mehdi's pants are on fire?
Gamestop, Best Buy, Wallmart, and Amazon are out of stock.
Although Best Buy has a few bundles available. But they aren't expected to last for long.
Hope this helps :)
@GrenadeLauncher said:@shawn30 said:
PS3 outsold 360 back in January. I should also point out that a third of the PS2's sales - 50 million! - was after the PS3 was released.
Face it, PS3 has legs where 360 is dead in the water. So sad. That year lead, wasted.
It did not, where is your proof. If you ask for mine I will share it. PS3 has never for even a day been ahead of the 360. Did you miss all the threads here in September/October where the quarterly reports clearly showed the 360 in the lead?>
80 million 360 sold doesn't look a niche to me! On the other hand, the hate MS gets as a company, is something they can't rid off easily.
I agree. But being worth 70 Billion makes the hate sting a bit less I think, lol