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Halo Infinite was released December 8th 2021, less than 4 months ago and still PS Plus has minus Day 1 first party releases.

so you're going to subscribe to PS Plus Premium so you can play PS1, PS2, and PSP games on your PS5?..

Dude they dropped four AT ONCE in the holiday season, I think they'll be forgiven for not dropping any more AAAEs so quick.

How big was the gap between HFW and the last big PS exclusive? And GoW may not come out for 6 month or more. So glass houses and all that.

Deathloop is STILL a MS game and it's the last game PS will see from Arkane Studios. It also got a 10/10 before any other PS game. A MS game outscored both HFW and GT7, the first PS exclusives to release in AGES. So "let that sink in".

Also, do you know the time gap between HFW and PSs last exclusive release last year?

I don't even know what it was, but it's been a long time, because the cows were getting teased about it.

Dude, I'm into retro gaming, but even I'll say that trying to go back to 3D games from the 5th and 6th gen are not that easy. There is no way the average gamer is going to do it.

The original Xbox can just about get away with it, because the GPU was powerful enough to still look decent in a lot of games. NGB is still a dream. But most PS2 games haven't aged well. I don't find it easy to get into my PS2 or PS2 games on PSNow (PC), because the graphics are a shite side worse.

A few genres will be fine though. JRPGs and 2D games (2D games never age), I'm sure a few others. But three quarters of of the library of 5th and 6th gen games that we used to accept, are not really acceptable to the average gamer now. I can play N64 games out of nostalgia, but that's a personal thing.

As I said, out of fascination, someone like me will try old stuff out. On the original Xbox, I've been playing Pro Evo 5, NGB (which really hasn't aged at all), Toca Race Driver 2 and Half Life 2 (only borderline playable on Xbox). Just picked up Blinx, Munch's Oddysee and Tony Hawk's Underground 2, but haven't played them yet.

But for me I want to see what the ai, physics and sound were like. Otogi sounds incredible btw. Just want to say on Otogi, exclusivity sucks, because a game like that has been lost to time now. How many others have been lost because they were exclusive to some old console?

Actually got Red Faction on the PS2, graphics aren't great, but I'm fascinated by the destruction in it considering it was the first game and what they were able to do with the PS2.

I was speaking to some people into WRPGs, and they won't even play Morrowind. I've been playing it for a bit though, on Xbox, again, just out of fascination. The soundtrack is really nice.

We're talking about GamePass dude. All Lems can say is that they get MS 1st party games Day 1, yet it's been months since the last one came out. And Deathloop still isn't on Xbox or GamePass 🤣

You said "the competition hasn't had a big 1st party releasein months."

All of those games are 1st party.

Three of the games I mentioned came on Gamepass DAY ONE across Xbox and PC.

"MS 1st party games Day 1, yet it's been months since the last one came out"

No one said MS was going to be banging out 1st party games for Gamepass, and they shouldn't. But they have now 23 studios and the fact that they aren't charging people extra for any of their big first party releases is massive. I really don't get the point of your argument.

The next Elder Scrolls game will be day one, that's huge. All those ips. And MS seems to have learned an important lesson about not rushing games, which is why a lot of their games last year were of better quality than in the past.

Last gen they rushed out Forza Motorsport 5 and it showed. They used to bang them out every 2 years. They've stopped. So I'm happy about that.

I admire that despite the immense pressure on Sony during the 7th gen, because of the PS3s botched launch and complex CPU, they never allowed ANY of their games to be rushed.

So your argument is weird to me.

@HalcyonScarlet said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

We're talking about GamePass dude. All Lems can say is that they get MS 1st party games Day 1, yet it's been months since the last one came out. And Deathloop still isn't on Xbox or GamePass 🤣

You said "the competition hasn't had a big 1st party releasein months."

All of those games are 1st party.

Three of the games I mentioned came on Gamepass DAY ONE across Xbox and PC.

"MS 1st party games Day 1, yet it's been months since the last one came out"

No one said MS was going to be banging out 1st party games for Gamepass, and they shouldn't. But they have now 23 studios and the fact that they aren't charging people extra for any of their big first party releases is massive. I really don't get the point of your argument.

The next Elder Scrolls game will be day one, that's huge. All those ips. And MS seems to have learned an important lesson about not rushing games, which is why a lot of their games last year were of better quality than in the past.

Last gen they rushed out Forza Motorsport 5 and it showed. They used to bang them out every 2 years. They've stopped. So I'm happy about that.

I admire that despite the immense pressure on Sony during the 7th gen, because of the PS3s botched launch and complex CPU, they never allowed ANY of their games to be rushed.

So your argument is weird to me.

It's amazing how you keep proving my point again and again 🤣 Lems keep saying that GamePass is great because they get 1st party titles Day 1, but those titles are far and few in between. And you just proved it again by mentioning Elder Scrolls, which has no release date and literally no gameplay footage.

Okay, let me clear this up. No one cares, it's a stupid point. It's a REALLY stupid point. Like, it's Donald Trump levels of stupid points.

What makes it worse, is that it's a stupid point without any prior claims that would be the case, and it's a stupid point without an endgame, because where are you going with this?

I'm having trouble articulating how much of a bad point it is.

Game trials are a way to try a game, which is a demo of a game. It may be longer than the old demos, but it is still letting you try a game to see if you want to purchase it.

Value to me is letting me pop in the disk I already owned and it then plays the game. No additional money needed. I am not saying getting close to 400 games for a few more dollars a month or $20 a year is a bad deal, but I already have a huge collection of PS1, PS2, and PS3 games I have invested money in, I should not have to invest more money to play those games on a console that has a solution to play them natively. Especially when xbox offers this for free. No sub needed at all.

I feel like Sony is missing an opportunity for mass growth of the service. They could have created another tier, charged more monthly and charged $179.99 yearly to match GP and it offers Sony's first party day and date. I feel like Sony would see a lot of people signing up to that tier and possibly see the same growth GP is seeing. Maybe they will see that growth anyways, but most people I speak to are sticking with the basic tier until more PS5 first party games hit the service.

MS isn't charging $70 though. The reason publishers are raising their prices is because Sony normalized it. They were making record profits and raised the prices just because they know people will still buy the games. I personally am just looking for the best value and Sony adding first party games day and date would have been a great value to me. If the service had great growth, Sony would make plenty of money to keep investing in top tier games.

I am loving my PS5, but I would have really liked to see them do more than basically just combining PS+ and PS Now. It isn't a bad service or a bad deal. Like I said, I just want the most for my money.

In 4 days, MLB The Show 22, a Sony first party game is launching day 1 on GamePass. A game that is $70 on PS5 and is made under PlayStation Studios. Let that sink in.😌

8 months.😎

I think you're having trouble just articulating at all 🤣

You're conflating my ability to articulate with your ability to comprehend. ;-)

@iambatman7986: Sony was part of the wave that normalized the €70 price point (€80 on my regional Sony store, are you taking a piss?). But they sure weren't the first.

The first were the yearly rehashes that get away with anything. The CODs, the Fifas, the NBAs.

Jim Sterling said it best: you'll see it's always the games that already make the insane profits that are the first to include these things: season passes, live services, lootboxes, microtransactions, and now again with increased pricepoints (offering us nothing in return).

€70 hasn't been standardized on PC yet, and I will try my darndest to see that it isn't.

PSA: you can get a 12 month subscription of PS Now for $59.99 right now and it will automatically be upgraded to PS Plus Premium in June! Stacked mine for three years lol.

@SolidGame_basic: How exactly do you do that? I can't seem to find the 12 month option anywhere.

https://store.playstation.com/en-us/product/IP9101-NPIA90010_01-PSNOWSUB12MO0000

Works for me on my desktop browser

@SolidGame_basic: Very nice, thanks!

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