Official GS Gran Turismo 6 Review: 7

There's a certain amount of grinding in Forza, but there's a balance and so you get the fun of collecting and upgrading, both of which is expensive but it's not too hard or too easy with the grinding.

Grinding is one thing. Forcing incredibly boring cars, tracks and events on you is another. I think if you actually played it, you would change your tune. They force go kart events on you ffs..There are literally parts well into GT where you can't proceed without racing in a go kart or a 70hp mini car

I agree with this to an extent. I don't mind having to race something like a kart or other off the wall vehicles periodically through the events. That mixes things up. I do think they need to get you in performance cars a lot sooner in the career. Forcing you to drive sedans and such for a while is not a good idea. Race one you should be in something like a Mustang GT (not Saleen) or other mid-level performance car. Something that has performance, but not so much that you're not looking forward to unlocking a bunch of other cars.

Meh I am not shocked at all.

They're not innovating at all. What innovation are they bringing? That's the reason for the low score.

I think this is more or less the correct response. The audio of the cars, the damage to the vehicles, etc. are all very much last gen.

Forza has always been more fun to play than GT series.

How did a 13 year old get to review a game?

If the developers turn their gameplay into grinding in order for you to purchase more shit than I think games should get downrated for that.

I loved GT5, but I'm not getting this one because I'm not supporting full priced games with microtransactions.

Well, he did say it was the best racing simulation on consoles. So people into it will love it.

That's the part that PD cares about and has served them very well over time. Also, most reviews say the track selection is the best you will find in a racing game. That alone has me ready to pick it up, even though I have moved on to PS4. I really don't want to go back and play a PS3 game right now. Maybe next year if we hit a dry spell, or if Drive Club turns out to be pretty bad.

I'm not surprised if the AI is the same as it was in previous games. It makes the actual racing offline rather dull and the bumper car style crashes and lack of proper damage (in single player) is inexcusable in a game advertising itself as a driving sim. I still want it though.

lol GT getting worse each new entry.

No, No, and No.

First of all, a reviewer should know the kind of game he's going to review before he reviews it. If he's not into grinding games, he shouldn't be doing the review much like you don't ask someone who doesn't play shooters to review Halo. There are communities of millions of gamers built upon this kind of game and this specific franchise. That said, this reviewer has spent plenty of time with GT games in the past, so I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here or why you're saying it. Did you read the review? If you had even read the OP you wouldn't have made this point, so I assume you didn't. So why am I talking to you in the first place? I'm not sure. The reviewer is clearly okay with grinding, just not too much of it. He's played every GT game. Derp.

Secondly, it's not about me liking grinding or not; it's about the nature, design, and intent of a game. If a game franchise is built around grinding and is designed to reward specifically for grinding and always has, grinding should never be a negative unless it's simply an joyless and/or poorly designed grind this go-around. That can happen and may have happened here. Reviews are mixed. But no, GT is and will always be a grind game and it's joy is supposed to be in the grinding experience. Whether they were successful in making it a joyful experience or not is a different matter, but unlocking and spending time with cars, tweaking them to perfection, racing them, tweaking them some more, then unlocking a new car and doing it all over again is quintessential GT. That's what GT is. Does that sound boring to you? You can play NFS, Burnout, etc. It's the preferred method for the millions who buy and play GT games for hundreds of hours.

Thirdly, grinding designs aren't "a flaw". Case in point: Diablo 3's grind isn't a flaw. The intent is for you to spend countless hours with the game unlocking items for your class. Maybe even years. As a result, games like Diablo obtain huge clutish followings who play for years upon years to get the best possible gear. The joy is in the grind. Borderlands 2 is the same way if your goal is to get one of each Legendary weapon in the game. Hundreds of hours are easily spent grinding bosses over and over until you finally get those fabled weapon drops. In the same way, GT is all about the grind. If you don't understand that this is why GT is GT, you haven't played Gran Turismo. Not for very long anyway...and if that's the case, then you probably shouldn't be here discussing it as if you have a clue about what makes GT tick and what makes people who buy GT tick. That said, the grind experience in general may not be for you. That's fine. You shouldn't have to feel like every type of game will gel with you. Just because you don't like a style of game personally doesn't mean it's objectively flawed, though it's fair to say that this particular GT shows a general lack of feature innovation on the part of PD and that the grind may be less fun than in the past. It sounds like it will take longer to unlock the most expensive cars than it did in the past, but time will tell. It sounds like PD's goal was to keep certain cars uber-exclusive and it sounds like they've succeeded...but giving an option to buy them with real world cash cheapens the exclusivity considerably, IMO.

Lastly, the Dynasty Warriors analogy is simply absurd by the way, and only shows how little experience you have in the subject at hand. Your post comes off as someone evaluating what a grinding sim is or should be from the perspective of someone who's only played Need for Speed. Not a good look.

The 80 odd million PS3 users are a much more substantial userbase to release to.

True. It gives them something to look forward to during the next gen launch and Christmas season as well.

heh that sweet Forza>>>GT6 ownage

Your argument is so silly. Basically, what you're saying is that if something is characteristic of a franchise, it should be excused. There's no logical reason for that to be true. Even if a game is based on grinding, if one feels that its grindy nature detracts from the experience, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with marking a game down for that. The Dynasty Warriors analogy is perfectly apt. The repetitive mindlessness of DW is as much a feature of the series as major grinding is of GT. If one feels that the repetitive nature of DW does not make a good game, then there is nothing wrong with detracting for that. Similarly, if one feels that GT's grindy design does not make for a good overall experience, then it should be marked down. You're trying to project your own acceptance of GT's design onto reviewers. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a reviewer thinking that particular sort of design doesn't work well and scoring accordingly. Your assertion that a reviewer must accept the grind as a neutral and fixed characteristic is absolutely nonsensical. What you're arguing is that criticism of GT's core design is off limits purely for the reason that GT has always been that way, which is ass backwards.

Absolutely the worst decision to release it on ps3, it was bound to fail comparisons against. Forza 5 on nextgen Hardware

You know everyone complains about GT being "stuck in last gen" or whatever. I respect PD for sticking to it's formula. Everyone is ragging out all these COD copycat shooters. So why should we expect PD to start changing up their formula to be more like Forza or NFS? Especially when they are completely destroying these two franchises in sales.

Let GT be GT. Let Forza be Forza. There's something to be said about having games that take different approaches.

That's fine, but don't complain when reviewers come down on PD for sticking to its formula.

@WadeFan said:

I find it interesting that the Microtransactions appear to have an effect as the reviewer says that in order to get great cars it's a grind or an expense. Thoughts?

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Quotes from the Review Below:

"Powerful supercars still sound like lawnmowers and hairdryers."

"GT6 maintains the series' famous variety of models and events, and adds to its heritage in meaningful ways"

"So much of the game feels antiquated and quaint when compared to its rivals."

Review

Yet Forza has 1 1/4 of the cars also has tons of Micro transactions and is ok..

@tormentos said:

@WadeFan said:

I find it interesting that the Microtransactions appear to have an effect as the reviewer says that in order to get great cars it's a grind or an expense. Thoughts?

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Quotes from the Review Below:

"Powerful supercars still sound like lawnmowers and hairdryers."

"GT6 maintains the series' famous variety of models and events, and adds to its heritage in meaningful ways"

"So much of the game feels antiquated and quaint when compared to its rivals."

Review

Yet Forza has 1 1/4 of the cars also has tons of Micro transactions and is ok..

9>7

Who cares as long as it plays better?

Pretty much what I expected and you can bet the sales are gonna be significantly lower than GT5,most people won´t be fooled twice so soon.

Yep without doubt at least here.

At leas you know how to count..lol

Forza>GT

:)

Well it matters when the reviewer slams one game for Micro transactions,yet ignore the other who has just as much but with 800 cars less to drive.

Do you know that this reviewer didn't review forza 5 right?

Yeah...I found it kinda' shady..and then the idiot goes on to say buying cars and earning currency can be expensive...what??

Forza = more fun

#dealwithit

Not the same reviewer, It's one person's opinion versus another's. If one finds micro transactions to be a bad thing then fine, you dont' automatically assume someone else will

what game design? This is just a sim... All you do in go around in circles. But if you read the review: "the best true racing simulation available on consoles".

The difference in Forza, is you get rewarded with more in game credits after racing. Here he said, not only are car expensive, you earn less after racing than before, and then they introduce micro transactions to compensate.

Wait wait wait. Members are writing reviews now? Wtf?

Well I don't understand how already included cars that you can race to earn to buy isn't greater than a game launched with a lot less cars so they can sell you more cars with DLC packages. I don't understand,

Probably they give most PS games to harsh reviewers,and most xbox games to morons who won't complain about anything,look at TLOU 95% on gamerankings and here 8,now B2S has 9 here and 72% on Gamerankings.

Case in point Forza 5 has 80% on gamerankings yet here it has a 9,GT6 has a 7 here and also has 80% on gamerankings.

So you have on reviewer who doesn't care about micro transactions even that Forza 5 boost a small numbers of cars,and you have another that will bitch about Micro Transactions on a damn game that has more than 1,000 cars.

@WadeFan:

Once again, the Xbox is the best place to play racing games.

It always seems GT is said to be the best Sim racer but to reviews something other then the gameplay itself always seems dated.

@StormyJoe: for last gen, no doubt.

wait hu? Holy crap your right. When did this happen?

Gran Flopismo

If Poly completely re-hauled their whole game engine and just copied GT-3: A-Spec they would get 9's or even 10's right across the board.

@finalfantasy94: I noticed this too almost immediately, but I thought maybe it was something I have been happening before. Either way, it's still a decent review regardless.

There's no anti-Sony conspiracy here. The person that reviewed forza 5 like it a lot and the person that reviewed GT6 didn't like it as much plain and simple. Besides, the reviewer could have had a problem with forza 5s microtransactions but he didn't review it.

This place is a joke.

@seanmcloughlin: If Forza played better he wouldn't have called GT6 the best sim on consoles.

According to reviews... yes.