New PC: Cheap, Epic, Vastly Superior

[QUOTE="gmaster456"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Fine, a better one:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pc5oLqpenpT78W87pMfgvBA&gid=0

mitu123

I tallied up the parts you listed earlier and it came to £1000 = 1600ish USD

And that's not including the case and PSU that i'd require.

No thanks. Witcher 2 looks good though - can't wait till it releases :D

Shop for a PC like you would a game sale, a component is almost always on sale somewhere.

The SSD is a Crucial M4 64 GB (cache, not straight drive). $85 on Amazon.

Almost everyone knows a student, paying full price for Win 7 is foolish.

The other option is to do MSDN and get ALL MS software for $150.00. (10 keys of Win7)

My friends do this for new builds. Deck out with MSDN software and split the $150 / 3

ehussein1379

Of course you shop in sales, especially for higher-priced components. Regardless, your build is skewed and does not take everything into account. You can build a killer rig (with all components) for sub-$1000, so why not do that?

"Almost everyone knows a student, paying full price for Win 7 is foolish", not at all, and if they do, they may not know them well enough to ask this favour. OEM Win7 is the middle-ground, as it isn't the severely overpriced version, nor the hard to obtain cheap-as-chips version.

What limits are there with MSDN subscriptions? Is it viable for your average gamer?

I tallied up the parts you listed earlier and it came to £1000 = 1600ish USD

And that's not including the case and PSU that i'd require.

No thanks. Witcher 2 looks good though - can't wait till it releases :D

Ravensmash

His build requires a lot of frugality

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

You're right, this is an exception rather than a norm. Of course he doesnt need such high end components for games to run well. Side note: if you can get a student copy of Win 7 it is an upgrade disk, but it can be used to do a full install

lundy86_4

I'd rather go with the norm in this case. I'm all for arguing PC gaming, as I love it... Let's just be reasonable :P

As for it being a full install, I wasn't aware. I may have to look at my licence for when I upgrade as I use the Win7 for students as well.

Paying full price for PC components / software is like buying games for full price. You just don't do it.

$1k is a good amount though, that will get a PC to roundly obliterate the consoles for years to come.

(and with multiplats that means dominating games without needing to upgrade for years to come).

Once all 360 games are on PC via Win 8 who would buy a 360? It just doesn't make sense.

A PS3 however will ALWAYS be amazing for Netflix and the occasional game.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"]

I tallied up the parts you listed earlier and it came to £1000 = 1600ish USD

And that's not including the case and PSU that i'd require.

No thanks. Witcher 2 looks good though - can't wait till it releases :D

lostrib

His build requires a lot of frugality

Not frugality. Frugality would be a 2500k build.

This requires patience. (and it doesn't hurt that my previous gaming PC is still up to snuff)

I tallied up the parts you listed earlier and it came to £1000 = 1600ish USD

And that's not including the case and PSU that i'd require.

No thanks. Witcher 2 looks good though - can't wait till it releases :D

Yeah just do a google search, I just had to change a registration value no problems. I think in the end PC people dont care about the price because a lot of PC people enjoy the actual act of building and tweaking, it is more of a hobby

lostrib

Agreed. Whilst I love the games, I also love the building and overclocking aspect.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

Shop for a PC like you would a game sale, a component is almost always on sale somewhere.

The SSD is a Crucial M4 64 GB (cache, not straight drive). $85 on Amazon.

Almost everyone knows a student, paying full price for Win 7 is foolish.

The other option is to do MSDN and get ALL MS software for $150.00. (10 keys of Win7)

My friends do this for new builds. Deck out with MSDN software and split the $150 / 3

lundy86_4

Of course you shop in sales, especially for higher-priced components. Regardless, your build is skewed and does not take everything into account. You can build a killer rig (with all components) for sub-$1000, so why not do that?

"Almost everyone knows a student, paying full price for Win 7 is foolish", not at all, and if they do, they may not know them well enough to ask this favour. OEM Win7 is the middle-ground, as it isn't the severely overpriced version, nor the hard to obtain cheap-as-chips version.

What limits are there with MSDN subscriptions? Is it viable for your average gamer?

It just costs money. But if you are a student see if your school has a deal with MSDN to see if you can get free Win 7. Some schools have it, and some only have it through computer science departments

Why isn't this thread in the PC chatboard?KC_Hokie

Because TC is saying how His PC is vastly superior to the Consoles.

The OP just wanted to talk about PC hardware and added "...PCs are superior" to make it SW worthy. There are PC hardware threads for this guys.KC_Hokie

Then report the OP KC. Nobody else gives a flying toot, it seems.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Why isn't this thread in the PC chatboard?LegatoSkyheart

Because TC is saying how His PC is vastly superior to the Consoles.

The OP just wanted to talk about PC hardware and added "...PCs are superior" to make it SW worthy. There are PC hardware threads for this guys.KC_Hokie

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]The OP just wanted to talk about PC hardware and added "...PCs are superior" to make it SW worthy. There are PC hardware threads for this guys.lundy86_4

Then report the OP KC. Nobody else gives a flying toot, it seems.

It just costs money. But if you are a student see if your school has a deal with MSDN to see if you can get free Win 7. Some schools have it, and some only have it through computer science departments

lostrib

Yeah, I dunno if my school does. Regardless, I got my copy of Win7 for $30 through the student deal in Canada, so I can't complain :P

I can't believe they even do Office as well. MS has some pretty sweet deals in place.

[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Why isn't this thread in the PC chatboard?KC_Hokie

Because TC is saying how His PC is vastly superior to the Consoles.

Then leave please or you will probably be reported for disruptive posting

Paying full price for PC components / software is like buying games for full price. You just don't do it.

ehussein1379

If people dont pay full price for games the industry wont survive.

MSDN is an amazing way to get ALL MS software for cheap.

Get 3 friends and its $50 each for Win 7, Office 2010 and Visual Studio 2010.

No brainer.

Also: SSD caching is incredible. DO NOT GO STRAIGHT SSD.

Consoles load games literally 100x slower than this PC. (I tested BC2 on PS3 as a comparison)

Rather sad what threads are left open on SW wars when it's nothing but PC hardware and PC bloviating.KC_Hokie

Cool, I guess. The same remark could be used for most threads, if you omit the "PC", in System Wars. Again, just report and move on if it's such an issue. The topic itself seems to have generated much discussion from all aspects of System Wars TBH.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="gmaster456"] Nope, Still the sameChutebox

Let me break this down for you:

This is the core of System Wars.

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

Beyond that the PC is valuable for much more than just gaming.

The PC in this post has won SW.

Let me break this down for you:

This is the core of System Wars.

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

Beyond that the PC is valuable for much more than just gaming.

The PC in this post has won SW.

ehussein1379

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

ehussein1379

It's only part of a PC. Just with that, you couldn't run anything. I'll let the case and KB/M go for this post, but you don't even include a PSU! I mean... It's essential :P

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

Paying full price for PC components / software is like buying games for full price. You just don't do it.

hakanakumono

If people dont pay full price for games the industry wont survive.

Well generally for games that are bought on sale they are bought via digital distribution so the companies actually make a lot of money from that

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

lundy86_4

It's only part of a PC. Just with that, you couldn't run anything. I'll let the case and KB/M go for this post, but you don't even include a PSU! I mean... It's essential :P

Fair enough. $50 case + $30 keyboard + $30 mouse + $100 PS = $210 + $860 = $1070 (realistically subtract $85 for SSD for the 'budget' version)

So, for $1070 you get a beastly machine, access to a better gaming experience and a multifunction dominator of a PC to boot.

The 6970 has a mini-HDMI so its one cable for sound + video to my 55" LCD. With my wireless 360 controller this thing is a console + PC + server + dominator box in a nutshell.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

ehussein1379

It's only part of a PC. Just with that, you couldn't run anything. I'll let the case and KB/M go for this post, but you don't even include a PSU! I mean... It's essential :P

Fair enough. $50 case + $30 keyboard + $30 mouse + $100 PS = $210 + $860 = $1070 (realistically subtract $85 for SSD for the 'budget' version)

So, for $1070 you get a beastly machine, access to a better gaming experience and a multifunction dominator of a PC to boot.

The 6970 has a mini-HDMI so its one cable for sound + video to my 55" LCD. With my wireless 360 controller this thing is a console + PC + server + dominator box in a nutshell.

True, and we could argue that to be better than consoles the TC did not have to spend that much. Using the SSD as cache, does that decrease life with more read/writes?

Fair enough. $50 case + $30 keyboard + $30 mouse + $100 PS = $210 + $860 = $1070 (realistically subtract $85 for SSD for the 'budget' version)

So, for $1070 you get a beastly machine, access to a better gaming experience and a multifunction dominator of a PC to boot.

The 6970 has a mini-HDMI so its one cable for sound + video to my 55" LCD. With my wireless 360 controller this thing is a console + PC + server + dominator box in a nutshell.

ehussein1379

Haha finally :P

It is a killer rig, and I was looking at the 6970 for an upgrade. Unfortunately I won't be upgrading until later this year, so I may hold off to see what else nVidia/AMD may be offering soon.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

It's only part of a PC. Just with that, you couldn't run anything. I'll let the case and KB/M go for this post, but you don't even include a PSU! I mean... It's essential :P

lostrib

Fair enough. $50 case + $30 keyboard + $30 mouse + $100 PS = $210 + $860 = $1070 (realistically subtract $85 for SSD for the 'budget' version)

So, for $1070 you get a beastly machine, access to a better gaming experience and a multifunction dominator of a PC to boot.

The 6970 has a mini-HDMI so its one cable for sound + video to my 55" LCD. With my wireless 360 controller this thing is a console + PC + server + dominator box in a nutshell.

True, and we could argue that to be better than consoles the TC did not have to spend that much. Using the SSD as cache, does that decrease life with more read/writes?

No more than using a straight SSD would.

I'll get ~5 years out of the SSD, and I'll upgrade in ~3 years no nbd.

Intel makes the 311 (SLC) for cacheing, but its only 20GB and I bounce between games - so went with the 64 GB crucial (MLC).

MLC will have a shorter life.

If consoles would only use an SSD cache - 2nd pass reads would be amazing, and games like ME1/DAO wouldn't take years of loading.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]And then spends the rest of the time talking about PC hardware and PCs? That makes it SW worthy? KC_Hokie

Then leave please or you will probably be reported for disruptive posting

it's system wars. the pc is part of it.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

Fair enough. $50 case + $30 keyboard + $30 mouse + $100 PS = $210 + $860 = $1070 (realistically subtract $85 for SSD for the 'budget' version)

So, for $1070 you get a beastly machine, access to a better gaming experience and a multifunction dominator of a PC to boot.

The 6970 has a mini-HDMI so its one cable for sound + video to my 55" LCD. With my wireless 360 controller this thing is a console + PC + server + dominator box in a nutshell.

lundy86_4

Haha finally :P

It is a killer rig, and I was looking at the 6970 for an upgrade. Unfortunately I won't be upgrading until later this year, so I may hold off to see what else nVidia/AMD may be offering soon.

Good call. I'll probably upgrade post BF3 and put the 6970 in my old box and get a new case for it.

I don't feel guilty about it since the video card was an open box and pretty cheap.

Bulldozer + new AMD + 16 GB = heaven

BF3 will be insane, especially at 60fps w/ 32 v 32 :P

Good call. I'll probably upgrade post BF3 and put the 6970 in my old box and get a new case for it.

I don't feel guilty about it since the video card was an open box and pretty cheap.

Bulldozer + new AMD + 16 GB = heaven

BF3 will be insane, especially at 60fps w/ 32 v 32 :P

ehussein1379

I wanna see how Bulldozer does, especially in regards to game performance. So long as it's not over $350 (octocore), then I may look into it, should the performance fit the bill (those posted here were determined fake :().

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I'd rather keep my console.ehussein1379

Worse graphics, worse games, worse controls, worse community.

Cheaper entry cost?

Let me break this down for you:

This is the core of System Wars.

My $860 PC runs games better, faster, with higher quality and more selection than a $300 console.

Beyond that the PC is valuable for much more than just gaming.

The PC in this post has won SW.

ehussein1379

Indeed.

PC gaming is objectively better than console gaming.

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I'd rather keep my console.clone01

Worse graphics, worse games, worse controls, worse community.

Cheaper entry cost?

Controls depend on game genre

[QUOTE="ehussein1379"]However controls/community/games/graphics are unarguablly superior on PC.IronBass

you also forgot to add the fact that in a years time you'll have to upgrade that gpu if you want the best graphics then 3 years after that change out your mother board and cpu..etc cause the new cpu that doesn't support that mother board will be released so in a total span of 4 years you'll have spent like 1800 dollars.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="ehussein1379"]However controls/community/games/graphics are unarguablly superior on PC.WilliamRLBaker

Well maybe he wants to play street fighter or NBA on PC

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="ehussein1379"]However controls/community/games/graphics are unarguablly superior on PC.WilliamRLBaker

you also forgot to add the fact that in a years time you'll have to upgrade that gpu if you want the best graphics then 3 years after that change out your mother board and cpu..etc cause the new cpu that doesn't support that mother board will be released so in a total span of 4 years you'll have spent like 1800 dollars.

For some games a controller is better. Like GTA4 which has massive aim assists and doesn't require precision the benefit of driving with a controller outweighs the precision of shooting with a mouse.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] They aren't. Nothing subjective is unarguable, and how good a game is or how well do controls work are two very, very subjective things.lostrib

Well maybe he wants to play street fighter or NBA on PC

Nah, consoles have better controls and community, and MUCH better games. Plus the ease of use is vastly superior to that of a PC.

[spoiler] In. My. Opinion. I don't know why these kinds of threads are even made. The only thing FACT that PCs have over consoles is that the graphics are better and they cost more. Everything else is opinion. [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] but those things being better is subjective and claimign them is fact is falacy.

""with my 360 controller"" COntradiction much ehussein? you just got done talking about how the pc had better controls and all console controls were complete crap hack jobs...but your using a 360 controller...

WilliamRLBaker

Well maybe he wants to play street fighter or NBA on PC

For some games it is a hack job.

For my example of ME2 you can't map a power to a button, you have to select through them (or pause) using a controller.

On PC you can map each power to a button, and 'insta-fire' them, dramatically speading up combat and the flow of 'epicness' coming from Shephard.

Nah, consoles have better controls and community, and MUCH better games. Plus the ease of use is vastly superior to that of a PC.

Cheesehead9099

The ease of use is starting to become less as consoles keep adding services and requirements like install to hard drive.

And the idea of much better games is subjective unless you compare multiplats where PC generally is better. And in which genres does console have better controls?

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"]

Nah, consoles have better controls and community, and MUCH better games. Plus the ease of use is vastly superior to that of a PC.

lostrib

The ease of use is starting to become less as consoles keep adding services and requirements like install to hard drive.

And the idea of much better games is subjective unless you compare multiplats where PC generally is better. And in which genres does console have better controls?

[QUOTE="Cheesehead9099"]

Nah, consoles have better controls and community, and MUCH better games. Plus the ease of use is vastly superior to that of a PC.

lostrib

The ease of use is starting to become less as consoles keep adding services and requirements like install to hard drive.

And the idea of much better games is subjective unless you compare multiplats where PC generally is better. And in which genres does console have better controls?