M$ sink to new low, literally breaking the law now

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#51 Edited by freedomfreak (38639 posts) -

Yes. Look at all these lems in complete meltdown.

Hey, freedomfreak! Stop not caring so much!

"I can't say anything else so I'll just pull some e-memes out of my ass."

#52 Posted by juarbles (801 posts) -

Microsoft anti-gaming practices continue. Does anyone with a minimum of intelligence (xboners are excluded by this requirement) not see how gaming would be better without this company? Real gamers unite against this plague destroying our hobby!

#53 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@GhoX said:

This is rather surprising, considering how powerful MS's legal team is. I'm more inclined to believe that I have missed something or misunderstood some part. US law is not exactly my forte. Anyway, § 255.5 does provide several examples of where a material connection must be disclosed. Of course, the key is on whether there is a "material effect on credibility", not any given circumstance in particular.

Example 7: A college student who has earned a reputation as a video game expert maintains a personal weblog or “blog” where he posts entries about his gaming experiences. Readers of his blog frequently seek his opinions about video game hardware and software. As it has done in the past, the manufacturer of a newly released video game system sends the student a free copy of the system and asks him to write about it on his blog. He tests the new gaming system and writes a favorable review. Because his review is disseminated via a form of consumer-generated media in which his relationship to the advertiser is not inherently obvious, readers are unlikely to know that he has received the video game system free of charge in exchange for his review of the product, and given the value of the video game system, this fact likely would materially affect the credibility they attach to his endorsement. Accordingly, the blogger should clearly and conspicuously disclose that he received the gaming system free of charge. The manufacturer should advise him at the time it provides the gaming system that this connection should be disclosed, and it should have procedures in place to try to monitor his postings for compliance.

However, MS hasn't technically broken any law yet, since the ad campaign has not yet started (I think), and no video has been posted for the campaign.

It's incredibly unlikely that Microsoft's legal team would mess up over a small matter like this, so I think there can only be two possibilities:

  1. The whole thing is fake. MS did not in fact propose such a deal.
  2. We are all ignorant and wrong, and MS's legal team actually got it in the bag.

its started!!! haha search on youtube with that tag they specified

so whats wrong with giving fans or whomever a chance at the marketing budget?

i dont kno... disclosure? and these are 'fans' its bribery

#54 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (6024 posts) -

MS could hand out money and cows would find it to be a legal matter.

Calling for thread lock since this type of practice is used everyday by big corp.

#55 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4034 posts) -

this is an exciting thread.

#57 Edited by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

Yes. Look at all these lems in complete meltdown.

Hey, freedomfreak! Stop not caring so much!

"I can't say anything else so I'll just pull some e-memes out of my ass."

@FoxbatAlpha said:

MS could hand out money and cows would find it to be a legal matter.

Calling for thread lock since this type of practice is used everyday by big corp.

hahahaha lems...they just keep giving. 1 is claiming to not care but cant stop commenting and the infamous foxbat is calling for lock hahahaha they just keep giving

#58 Posted by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

its started!!! haha search on youtube with that tag they specified

So, pretty easy to discern then whether they are part of this marketing push.

#59 Posted by chikenfriedrice (9670 posts) -

Its a dumb company that made a dumb and useless console for dumb people that buy american products because they're american OR a stupid/blind fanboy.

That wasn't a dumb or useless statement at all

#60 Posted by freedomfreak (38639 posts) -

I just found out TC has brain problems.

I didn't though. That much has been apparent from his previous threads.

'so butthurt meltdown though"

fo'shizzle mah dizzle. We're very proud of you.

#61 Edited by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

its started!!! haha search on youtube with that tag they specified

So, pretty easy to discern then whether they are part of this marketing push.

nope. because tags are not displayed in youtube vids anymore so no way of telling unless u specifically search for the vid. this sh%t is 100% illegal, the sheer incompetence of m$ is mirroring sony last gen

#62 Edited by Solid_Max13 (3525 posts) -

Hahaha Here we go debate time!!!!

#63 Edited by Evo_nine (1594 posts) -

@Evo_nine said:

Whats this? cows jerking off on eachothers faces?

nothing new, business as usual it seems lol

Dat damage control.

When you can't cover up for M$ blame it on the "cows". Typical lem comeback.

No not damage control, just reality.

Typical uninformed cows who don't realise Sony was doing this way before Microsoft.

B B But but sony is my friend!

http://www.imediaconnection.com/news/12874.asp

#64 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4034 posts) -

so advertising makes them sink to a new low? this forum's posters are so dumb its not funny

i mean you guys ever heard of this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Manning_%28fictitious_writer%29

personally have nothing against sony or MS using "cheap" advertisement tactics because it falls on the idiots who believe them. if you are sold by advertising you are dumb, period. Also sony has been sued for several illegal business practices, its not like they don't do this stuff too

the wikipedia article was very interesting. thank you. its also really relevant to the thread.

also, i totally agree about buying things based on advertising - it's silly.

#65 Edited by KungfuKitten (20744 posts) -

Please join me in flagging any YT video using the tag.

#66 Posted by lglz1337 (3113 posts) -

all those butthurt lemmings how much has MS payed you ?

#67 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@Evo_nine said:

@I_can_haz said:

@Evo_nine said:

Whats this? cows jerking off on eachothers faces?

nothing new, business as usual it seems lol

Dat damage control.

When you can't cover up for M$ blame it on the "cows". Typical lem comeback.

No not damage control, just reality.

Typical uninformed cows who don't realise Sony was doing this way before Microsoft.

B B But but sony is my friend!

http://www.imediaconnection.com/news/12874.asp

Dem tears.

It's okay to be butthurt my lem friend. Here's something for the pain.....

#68 Edited by silversix_ (13871 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

Its a dumb company that made a dumb and useless console for dumb people that buy american products because they're american OR a stupid/blind fanboy.

That wasn't a dumb or useless statement at all

Well that's how it goes. You would be surprised how many people in NA fits what i said.

#69 Edited by Evo_nine (1594 posts) -

@Evo_nine said:

@I_can_haz said:

@Evo_nine said:

Whats this? cows jerking off on eachothers faces?

nothing new, business as usual it seems lol

Dat damage control.

When you can't cover up for M$ blame it on the "cows". Typical lem comeback.

No not damage control, just reality.

Typical uninformed cows who don't realise Sony was doing this way before Microsoft.

B B But but sony is my friend!

http://www.imediaconnection.com/news/12874.asp

Dem tears.

It's okay to be butthurt my lem friend. Here's something for the pain.....

Im not touching anything given to me by zoidberg.

#70 Posted by k--m--k (994 posts) -

I think this is very normal for companies to do this to promote their shit

but for me its more damaging to the promoter, loses all credibility and trust in what they say

#71 Posted by treedoor (7478 posts) -

Any time a cow makes a hate thread about ms I'm reminded of the old saying "make a mountain out of a mole hill".

Like seriously. MS gives people money to promote their product, promoters have to apply a special tag to their videos to show they're paid by ms, and this is apparently the worst thing since unsliced bread.

#72 Posted by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

nope. because tags are not displayed in youtube vids anymore so no way of telling unless u specifically search for the vid. this sh%t is 100% illegal, the sheer incompetence of m$ is mirroring sony last gen

No, it's relatively ambiguous at this point. Stop being melodramatic.

It seems that people have taken to including it within their titles, which kind of undermines your point further.

#73 Edited by tormentos (16720 posts) -

This sad the xbox one is and that desperate MS is,no one is buying the whole xbox one is selling great crap,it sold 2 3rds of the consoles in US and is been badly outsold every where else,while also been outsold in US.

The fact that they can't disclose that they are under pay basically says it all,if they do this with normal people and in the open you can just imagine how much they most be paying reviewers at least some of them for scores.

#74 Edited by CrownKingArthur (4034 posts) -

@k--m--k said:

but for me its more damaging to the promoter, loses all credibility and trust in what they say

yes. good post.

#75 Posted by stuff238 (611 posts) -

For shame microsoft!

#76 Edited by cainetao11 (16442 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

#77 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

nope. because tags are not displayed in youtube vids anymore so no way of telling unless u specifically search for the vid. this sh%t is 100% illegal, the sheer incompetence of m$ is mirroring sony last gen

No, it's relatively ambiguous at this point. Stop being melodramatic.

It seems that people have taken to including it within their titles, which kind of undermines your point further.

those who are adding XB1M13 to their vid title are doing it wrong and wont get paid, read the terms and conditions specified by m$

#78 Posted by SolidTy (42012 posts) -

Advertising isn't the issue, but the underhanded "sneaky" approach that might be illegal is. Higher powers like the FTC will have to decide.

#79 Edited by KungfuKitten (20744 posts) -

Please report all video's with XB1M13 in the title or in tags if they are not actively against it (i.e. if they are trying to make money by deceiving people).

#80 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

#81 Edited by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@lundy86_4 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

nope. because tags are not displayed in youtube vids anymore so no way of telling unless u specifically search for the vid. this sh%t is 100% illegal, the sheer incompetence of m$ is mirroring sony last gen

No, it's relatively ambiguous at this point. Stop being melodramatic.

It seems that people have taken to including it within their titles, which kind of undermines your point further.

those who are adding XB1M13 to their vid title are doing it wrong and wont get paid, read the terms and conditions specified by m$

If they aren't adding it to the tags, yes. They have to follow the guidelines and then upload through Poptent. If they are doing so, then it's rather irrelevant.

However, this is all rather moot, until any action is taken against MS. The FTC will take action if anything is suspicious.

#82 Posted by CrashNBurn281 (391 posts) -

Not really shocking. Sony has been caught doing something similar.

What else isn't shocking? Sony fans will dismiss that they have done it in the past, and Microsoft fans will defend this iteration.

That being said, I'm still not buying a Xbox One, even if some youtuber says it's cool.

#83 Edited by BPoole96 (22784 posts) -

@lostrib said:

I'd imagine that MS lawyers have probably worded the contract to avoid actually breaking the law

They're going to argue that having the tag on the video alleviates them from breaking the law, and the FCC will have to argue that your average person does not know what that tag signifies.

#84 Posted by tormentos (16720 posts) -

lol.

boo hoo.

they broke the law, just like every other company that does it as long as they can get away with it.

nobody has clean hands these days.

MS has never ever had clean has is a company build around a stolen OS.

@shawn30 said:

@Crypt_mx said:

Why is it surprising that companies want to pay to have their product promoted? Isn't that just business?

Lol, seriously. There are so many companies doing stuff like this its outrageous. Its marketing, pain and simple in the real world of big business. People are searching for the next great conspiracy and take YouTube far to serious.

Name them.? In the console market what other.?

@shawn30 said:

Sony wouldn't have the balls. This is the same company that put malware on their own devices and told you to get a second job to afford a PS3. I don't agree with the practice, but I'm far from naive enough to believe only MS is doing this. Big corporations engage in so much shady shit if you tried to look it all up you'd end up not buying anything from anyone. A non-issue.

@Crypt_mx said:

Why is it surprising that companies want to pay to have their product promoted? Isn't that just business?

Lol, seriously. There are so many companies doing stuff like this its outrageous. Its marketing, pain and simple in the real world of big business. People are searching for the next great conspiracy and take YouTube far to serious.

That was sony music which has nothing to do with the console market back then.

What the fu** does sony saying that you have to get 2 jobs have anything to do with this,how the fu** is illegal that sony tell its costumer hey our console will be expensive you make want to get a second job to buy it,what is the relation with the crappy tactics by MS.

Please stop saying there are so many companies doing this and please post link detailing all the companies that are doing it..

dumbass, i have had a playstation every gen it has existed and will have another as soon as the library builds up this gen.

you are crying over some stupid bullshyt that makes no difference to anyone.

did the rootkit scandal hurt sony in the longrun?

and if they got away with that anyone can get away with anything.

You are a lemming dude owning a PS doesn't deny that fact.

Sony didn't get away with rootkit they settle in a agreement,and drop it,but if you want to talk evils nothing say most sue company on the planet like MS,come on the company was build from the damn ground up on steal property..

No matter how bad sony has done,you never saw the goverment saying we have to split sony like they came close to do to MS,because of how abusive the company was,how many giant law suit MS has loss and had to pay.?

Sony is no saint but when we talk about shady business and anti competitive attitude no one beast MS.

so whats wrong with giving fans or whomever a chance at the marketing budget?

how are thy bribing? its simple. make a x1 ad and every view gets you towards to bigger check. dont like it dont do it

Is illegal they will pay people to pretend the console is good,the clause say they can't say anything negative about mashinima,or the xbox one or its games,in that part alone you are basically controlling the opinion of the video poster,and the bad part is they are paying that video poster,so yeah is a stealth pay advertisement where you are told hey we pay you $ for each 1,000 views,but you can't say you been pay to post the video and you can't say anything bad about the brand...

Is epic desperation from MS,who's fans claim the brand is doing great,this kind of publicity is something the xbox one doesn't need.

#85 Posted by cainetao11 (16442 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

Who is being deceived? The ad campaign has begun? And lets face it, the news is out, so again who is being deceived? Or is it another MS is evil and guilty for something they might try to do? Why do all of you attach personal feelings to business? Buy something, use it. I don't expect them to send me cards, or flowers. But so many here are emotionally invested in basic business transactions.

#86 Posted by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

They're going to argue that having the tag on the video alleviates them from breaking the law, and the FCC will have to argue that your average person does not know what that tag signifies.

Yup, exactly. This thread is the very definition of "melodrama."

#87 Edited by Riverwolf007 (23410 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@Riverwolf007: what does owning a ps console have to do with being a lem? i own x360 and currently 0 sony consoles, does this mean im actually a m$ fan? hahahaha and part of the reason i didnt buy ps3 until the very end (have sold few months ago) is because of their arrogance last gen.

so me pointing out that corruption occurs at all levels and is practiced by almost all companies is what qualifies me as a lem?

or if i catch someone saying something stupid and point out why it is stupid that is what qualifies me?

because believe me, when people say stupid shyt about sony, nintendo and pc i call them out on it also.

#88 Posted by Nike_Air (18292 posts) -

Major Nelson / Albert Penello spreading dung , Xbone Astroturfers on reddit , neogaf , etc helping with the damage control , and now the hush-hush kickbacks for youtubers / bloggers ? Microsoft cracks me up to no end.

#89 Edited by KungfuKitten (20744 posts) -

@BPoole96 said:

They're going to argue that having the tag on the video alleviates them from breaking the law, and the FCC will have to argue that your average person does not know what that tag signifies.

Yup, exactly. This thread is the very definition of "melodrama."

So if MS paid a GS reviewer under the table to only give good scores, you would be OK with that? There are a gazillion youtubers out there who review games or have a small following of people who value their opinion.

#90 Edited by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

@KungfuKitten said:

So if MS paid a GS reviewer under the table to only give good scores, you would be OK with that? There are a gazillion youtubers out there who review games or have a small following of people who value their opinion.

You said it. Small.

There are a few with a sizable following, and it is up to them to do what they want (within legal terms). You're getting close to slippery slope territory, which isn't good. At the end of the day, this is business, and it's how it works. If credible reviewers wish to side with a company (legally), why should I give a shit? It's a viable tactic. It sucks to say, but is morality a large part of business anymore?

#91 Edited by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

Who is being deceived? The ad campaign has begun? And lets face it, the news is out, so again who is being deceived? Or is it another MS is evil and guilty for something they might try to do? Why do all of you attach personal feelings to business? Buy something, use it. I don't expect them to send me cards, or flowers. But so many here are emotionally invested in basic business transactions.

how are u not getting this? this convo went from endorsers not bad mouthing to 'who is being deceived' haha and the campaign has started and any viewer is the one getting deceived.

#92 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

It's sad to see M$ stoop so low. All this and they are still getting outsold everywhere by Sony.

Dat desperation.

#93 Edited by KungfuKitten (20744 posts) -

@KungfuKitten said:

So if MS paid a GS reviewer under the table to only give good scores, you would be OK with that? There are a gazillion youtubers out there who review games or have a small following of people who value their opinion.

You said it. Small.

There are a few with a sizable following, and it is up to them to do what they want (within legal terms). You're getting close to slippery slope territory, which isn't good. At the end of the day, this is business, and it's how it works. If credible reviewers wish to side with a company (legally), why should I give a shit? It's a viable tactic.

That has to be the tiniest slippery slope that I've ever seen. They are game reviewers being bribed to skew their opinions. Nice twist of words but they are not siding with a company but with their money and we're not even sure that it's legal but even if it is it shouldn't be.

#94 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@Riverwolf007: what does owning a ps console have to do with being a lem? i own x360 and currently 0 sony consoles, does this mean im actually a m$ fan? hahahaha and part of the reason i didnt buy ps3 until the very end (have sold few months ago) is because of their arrogance last gen.

so me pointing out that corruption occurs at all levels and is practiced by almost all companies is what qualifies me as a lem?

or if i catch someone saying something stupid and point out why it is stupid that is what qualifies me?

because believe me, when people say stupid shyt about sony, nintendo and pc i call them out on it also.

oh so u are ok with people breaking the law just because most do it? lets ignore the next murder that happens in compton then shall we, whats the point they are all doing it. thats a great attitude to have in life isnt it? u cant stop them all but at least stop the ones u have evidence against.

#95 Edited by R3FURBISHED (10170 posts) -

major nelson taking proactive steps in spreading love and peace, 'The hate that infects gaming in the online space needs to go away'

I wholeheartedly agree with that

#96 Edited by lundy86_4 (42802 posts) -

@KungfuKitten said:

That has to be the tiniest slippery slope that I've ever seen. They are game reviewers being bribed to skew their opinions. Nice twist of words but they are not siding with a company but with their money and we're not even sure that it's legal but even if it is it shouldn't be.

I said you were getting into slippery slope territory... If you were full-blown using the fallacy, I would have said.

Dude, siding with the money, is siding with the business. Allegiances change, but it's pretty simple. That being said, this seems to be a morality debate, which I have no interest in... It's just shades of grey. I'll say something, and you'll disagree, and vice versa. No end.

#97 Posted by cainetao11 (16442 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

Who is being deceived? The ad campaign has begun? And lets face it, the news is out, so again who is being deceived? Or is it another MS is evil and guilty for something they might try to do? Why do all of you attach personal feelings to business? Buy something, use it. I don't expect them to send me cards, or flowers. But so many here are emotionally invested in basic business transactions.

how are u not getting this? this convo went from endorsers not bad mouthing to 'who is being deceived' haha and the campaign has started and any viewer is the one getting deceived.

How if the news has been broke? Or do you think you have cornered this tid bit?

#98 Posted by KungfuKitten (20744 posts) -

@KungfuKitten said:

That has to be the tiniest slippery slope that I've ever seen. They are game reviewers being bribed to skew their opinions. Nice twist of words but they are not siding with a company but with their money and we're not even sure that it's legal but even if it is it shouldn't be.

I said you were getting into slippery slope territory... If you were full-blown using the fallacy, I would have said.

Dude, siding with the money, is siding with the business. Allegiances change, but it's pretty simple. That being said, this seems to be a morality debate, which I have no interest in...

Well you should be a MS employee. Some of us have souls. If they want to sell out then they can wave their income goodbye. I am reporting every fucker I find on YT who tries to get away with this.

#99 Edited by Joedgabe (5091 posts) -

It's not like it matters much honestly..... i mean seriously? who fully buys games based on 1 review ? Unless you really trust the reviewer i wouldn't think so. Only reason scores even matter here is just because it's system wars. In all honestly GS scores are a joke for the most part. I think only Kevin writes good informative reviews that are no completely biased on a personal opinion.

#100 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (3595 posts) -

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

@cainetao11 said:

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

Who is being deceived? The ad campaign has begun? And lets face it, the news is out, so again who is being deceived? Or is it another MS is evil and guilty for something they might try to do? Why do all of you attach personal feelings to business? Buy something, use it. I don't expect them to send me cards, or flowers. But so many here are emotionally invested in basic business transactions.

how are u not getting this? this convo went from endorsers not bad mouthing to 'who is being deceived' haha and the campaign has started and any viewer is the one getting deceived.

How if the news has been broke? Or do you think you have cornered this tid bit?

how does the news breaking have anything to do with the legality of this? im not seeing the correlation. if m$ is breaking the law they should be punished PERIOD