M$ sink to new low, literally breaking the law now

Yes. Look at all these lems in complete meltdown.

Hey, freedomfreak! Stop not caring so much!

"I can't say anything else so I'll just pull some e-memes out of my ass."

its started!!! haha search on youtube with that tag they specified

i dont kno... disclosure? and these are 'fans' its bribery

MS could hand out money and cows would find it to be a legal matter.

Calling for thread lock since this type of practice is used everyday by big corp.

this is an exciting thread.

hahahaha lems...they just keep giving. 1 is claiming to not care but cant stop commenting and the infamous foxbat is calling for lock hahahaha they just keep giving

So, pretty easy to discern then whether they are part of this marketing push.

That wasn't a dumb or useless statement at all

I just found out TC has brain problems.

I didn't though. That much has been apparent from his previous threads.

'so butthurt meltdown though"

fo'shizzle mah dizzle. We're very proud of you.

nope. because tags are not displayed in youtube vids anymore so no way of telling unless u specifically search for the vid. this sh%t is 100% illegal, the sheer incompetence of m$ is mirroring sony last gen

Hahaha Here we go debate time!!!!

No not damage control, just reality.

Typical uninformed cows who don't realise Sony was doing this way before Microsoft.

B B But but sony is my friend!

http://www.imediaconnection.com/news/12874.asp

the wikipedia article was very interesting. thank you. its also really relevant to the thread.

also, i totally agree about buying things based on advertising - it's silly.

Please join me in flagging any YT video using the tag.

all those butthurt lemmings how much has MS payed you ?

Dem tears.

It's okay to be butthurt my lem friend. Here's something for the pain.....

Well that's how it goes. You would be surprised how many people in NA fits what i said.

@I_can_haz said:

@Evo_nine said:

@I_can_haz said:

@Evo_nine said:

Whats this? cows jerking off on eachothers faces?

nothing new, business as usual it seems lol

Dat damage control.

When you can't cover up for M$ blame it on the "cows". Typical lem comeback.

No not damage control, just reality.

Typical uninformed cows who don't realise Sony was doing this way before Microsoft.

B B But but sony is my friend!

http://www.imediaconnection.com/news/12874.asp

Dem tears.

It's okay to be butthurt my lem friend. Here's something for the pain.....

Im not touching anything given to me by zoidberg.

I think this is very normal for companies to do this to promote their shit

but for me its more damaging to the promoter, loses all credibility and trust in what they say

Any time a cow makes a hate thread about ms I'm reminded of the old saying "make a mountain out of a mole hill".

Like seriously. MS gives people money to promote their product, promoters have to apply a special tag to their videos to show they're paid by ms, and this is apparently the worst thing since unsliced bread.

No, it's relatively ambiguous at this point. Stop being melodramatic.

It seems that people have taken to including it within their titles, which kind of undermines your point further.

This sad the xbox one is and that desperate MS is,no one is buying the whole xbox one is selling great crap,it sold 2 3rds of the consoles in US and is been badly outsold every where else,while also been outsold in US.

The fact that they can't disclose that they are under pay basically says it all,if they do this with normal people and in the open you can just imagine how much they most be paying reviewers at least some of them for scores.

yes. good post.

For shame microsoft!

@ghostwarrior786: That's what you have? I'm confused? No retort to the fact that when you're a paid endorser, you don't bad mouth the company or product doing the paying? Oh well, thanks for calling me kid, that made me feel good.

those who are adding XB1M13 to their vid title are doing it wrong and wont get paid, read the terms and conditions specified by m$

Advertising isn't the issue, but the underhanded "sneaky" approach that might be illegal is. Higher powers like the FTC will have to decide.

Please report all video's with XB1M13 in the title or in tags if they are not actively against it (i.e. if they are trying to make money by deceiving people).

did i say i have a problem with endorsers not bad mouthing the company? when have i ever said this? if m$ discloses to the viewers this is a paid promotion i have no problem with whatever they have to say but to deceive people is wrong. it was wrong when sony done it and its wrong with m$ doing it

If they aren't adding it to the tags, yes. They have to follow the guidelines and then upload through Poptent. If they are doing so, then it's rather irrelevant.

However, this is all rather moot, until any action is taken against MS. The FTC will take action if anything is suspicious.

Not really shocking. Sony has been caught doing something similar.

What else isn't shocking? Sony fans will dismiss that they have done it in the past, and Microsoft fans will defend this iteration.

That being said, I'm still not buying a Xbox One, even if some youtuber says it's cool.

They're going to argue that having the tag on the video alleviates them from breaking the law, and the FCC will have to argue that your average person does not know what that tag signifies.

MS has never ever had clean has is a company build around a stolen OS.

Name them.? In the console market what other.?

That was sony music which has nothing to do with the console market back then.

What the fu** does sony saying that you have to get 2 jobs have anything to do with this,how the fu** is illegal that sony tell its costumer hey our console will be expensive you make want to get a second job to buy it,what is the relation with the crappy tactics by MS.

Please stop saying there are so many companies doing this and please post link detailing all the companies that are doing it..

You are a lemming dude owning a PS doesn't deny that fact.

Sony didn't get away with rootkit they settle in a agreement,and drop it,but if you want to talk evils nothing say most sue company on the planet like MS,come on the company was build from the damn ground up on steal property..

No matter how bad sony has done,you never saw the goverment saying we have to split sony like they came close to do to MS,because of how abusive the company was,how many giant law suit MS has loss and had to pay.?

Sony is no saint but when we talk about shady business and anti competitive attitude no one beast MS.

Is illegal they will pay people to pretend the console is good,the clause say they can't say anything negative about mashinima,or the xbox one or its games,in that part alone you are basically controlling the opinion of the video poster,and the bad part is they are paying that video poster,so yeah is a stealth pay advertisement where you are told hey we pay you $ for each 1,000 views,but you can't say you been pay to post the video and you can't say anything bad about the brand...

Is epic desperation from MS,who's fans claim the brand is doing great,this kind of publicity is something the xbox one doesn't need.

Who is being deceived? The ad campaign has begun? And lets face it, the news is out, so again who is being deceived? Or is it another MS is evil and guilty for something they might try to do? Why do all of you attach personal feelings to business? Buy something, use it. I don't expect them to send me cards, or flowers. But so many here are emotionally invested in basic business transactions.

Yup, exactly. This thread is the very definition of "melodrama."

so me pointing out that corruption occurs at all levels and is practiced by almost all companies is what qualifies me as a lem?

or if i catch someone saying something stupid and point out why it is stupid that is what qualifies me?

because believe me, when people say stupid shyt about sony, nintendo and pc i call them out on it also.

Major Nelson / Albert Penello spreading dung , Xbone Astroturfers on reddit , neogaf , etc helping with the damage control , and now the hush-hush kickbacks for youtubers / bloggers ? Microsoft cracks me up to no end.

So if MS paid a GS reviewer under the table to only give good scores, you would be OK with that? There are a gazillion youtubers out there who review games or have a small following of people who value their opinion.

You said it. Small.

There are a few with a sizable following, and it is up to them to do what they want (within legal terms). You're getting close to slippery slope territory, which isn't good. At the end of the day, this is business, and it's how it works. If credible reviewers wish to side with a company (legally), why should I give a shit? It's a viable tactic. It sucks to say, but is morality a large part of business anymore?

how are u not getting this? this convo went from endorsers not bad mouthing to 'who is being deceived' haha and the campaign has started and any viewer is the one getting deceived.

It's sad to see M$ stoop so low. All this and they are still getting outsold everywhere by Sony.

Dat desperation.

That has to be the tiniest slippery slope that I've ever seen. They are game reviewers being bribed to skew their opinions. Nice twist of words but they are not siding with a company but with their money and we're not even sure that it's legal but even if it is it shouldn't be.

oh so u are ok with people breaking the law just because most do it? lets ignore the next murder that happens in compton then shall we, whats the point they are all doing it. thats a great attitude to have in life isnt it? u cant stop them all but at least stop the ones u have evidence against.

I wholeheartedly agree with that

I said you were getting into slippery slope territory... If you were full-blown using the fallacy, I would have said.

Dude, siding with the money, is siding with the business. Allegiances change, but it's pretty simple. That being said, this seems to be a morality debate, which I have no interest in... It's just shades of grey. I'll say something, and you'll disagree, and vice versa. No end.

How if the news has been broke? Or do you think you have cornered this tid bit?

Well you should be a MS employee. Some of us have souls. If they want to sell out then they can wave their income goodbye. I am reporting every fucker I find on YT who tries to get away with this.

It's not like it matters much honestly..... i mean seriously? who fully buys games based on 1 review ? Unless you really trust the reviewer i wouldn't think so. Only reason scores even matter here is just because it's system wars. In all honestly GS scores are a joke for the most part. I think only Kevin writes good informative reviews that are no completely biased on a personal opinion.

how does the news breaking have anything to do with the legality of this? im not seeing the correlation. if m$ is breaking the law they should be punished PERIOD