Iwata: 3DS and Wii U Will Focus on Core Gamers

ditto for the Wii casual style of gaming. thats why Nintendo will go for core Nintendo gamers,( hardcore). Its as if some sheep would rather them try to appeal to other core fans and not them ... I dunno im getting mixed signals from sheep.rasengan2552

I can't speak for other Nintendo fans, but I don't want them to target solely Nintendo fans. N64 and Gamecube were awesome, but after what I've seen what Nintendo can do with the DS and 3DS, I am going to disappointed if the only thing the Wii U can do is play a Nintendo game once every 3 months.

They need better third party support and a more diverse library. To get the third party support, they are obviously going to have to attract gamers that buy more than just Nintendo games in their userbase. They should take the same approach as the 3DS: less first party games, more moneyhatting huge third party games.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]The N64 was the beginning of the end for them and it was when for the first time they did EVERYTHING wrong. nintendoboy16

The innovation of rumble and multiplayer is pointless...Sony and Microsoft took those ideas and bested them with dual shock and online multiplayer. Bread_or_Decide

When Nintendo does multiplayer, it's pointless, even if they innovate it, but when Sony and MS do it later, it's not? How the f*** does that make ANY sense? And how is innovation of multiplayer pointless when there are quite a few N64 games that used it's full potential and it started the trends (other systems before may have had four player right out of the box, but it didn't get big until after N64) in gaming?

It makes no SENSE.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]ditto for the Wii casual style of gaming. thats why Nintendo will go for core Nintendo gamers,( hardcore). Its as if some sheep would rather them try to appeal to other core fans and not them ... I dunno im getting mixed signals from sheep.Eponique

I can't speak for other Nintendo fans, but I don't want them to target solely Nintendo fans. N64 and Gamecube were awesome, but after what I've seen what Nintendo can do with the DS and 3DS, I am going to disappointed if the only thing the Wii U can do is play a Nintendo game once every 3 months.

They need better third party support and a more diverse library. To get the third party support, they are obviously going to have to attract gamers that buy more than just Nintendo games in their userbase. They should take the same approach as the 3DS: less first party games, more moneyhatting huge third party games.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Last Nintendo console that focused on "core" gamers was the GameCube. It was their worst-selling console and was loosing 3rd party support and even had ceased production for a brief period of time. I don't think Nintendo should try to appeal to the demographic that view them as "kiddy". They should simply continue making good games that everyone can enjoy imo.

NaveedLife

i second this they really shouldnt care what the core(SW) thinks

Yeah lets all just hope Nintendo makes WiiUparty/play/fit/sports/resort/catch/throw/run/find/jump/dancearoundinacircle for the WiiU rather than focus on making a few of those (to keep casuals entertained) and make tons of high quality first party CORE games, like Zelda, Metroid, Mario, new IP's, Paper Mario, Monolith games, and such. The Wii had a very casual centric focus. It is fine to appeal to them with some games, but when it feels like they abandon the core gamer, it sucks. I feel the Wii dropped the ball, though had some good games.

Bottom line is, Nintendo is going to continue their casual appeal, but try and lessen it a bit and provide gamers with more high quality gamse that they have come to expect.

i agree but i dont think they should just abandon everything for the core

I disagree with the assertion that the core market hates Nintendo or ignores them. Again, I point to the astounding success (at least in the US) of the N64 to make my point- incredible software attachment rates, high hardware sales, and a pure focus on the hardcore market. The N64 is proof that Nintendo can appeal to that demographic. The question is not if. The question is why. And here's the simple reason: because the Wii was not sustainable. Four years of astronomical sales, followed the worst decline in console sales history as the entire crowd migrated to iOS and Kinect gaming? Low third party software sales (which matters to Nintendo a lot, since a major portion of their revenue comes from software licensing) leading to a loss of confidence in Nintendo consoles? Loss of confidence from the core consumer, the consumer that actually buys hardware and software on a sustained basis? Nintendo's poorest lineup ever from a first party perspective (this is not just a widely held belief by forum dwellers; industry standards like Metacritic will all tell you the same thing: from a first party perspective, the Wii was Nintendo's worst system ever)? They need to return to the glory days of the N64. They had a lineup that was staggering back then, a console that truly appealed to the core, they had that market by the balls. The Wii is not sustainable. I hope we see a return to the N64 era with the Wii U.charizard1605

i dont think this was there worst first party offering at all SMG alone beats everything they released last generation, also sale wise they all went beast mode

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

like I stated earlier, they need to forget about trying to appeal to ALL core gamers and just worry about Nintendo core gamers for now.

I say this because we all know that Nintendo's 3rd party will never be as supported as Sony's or MS, or even PC. What Nintendo does have 100% control over is their core games, if they can crank out more titles like F-Zero, Starfox, Pikmin, Custom Robo etc. and less titles like WiiSports, Resort, Carnival, Fit etc. then THAT will help them prove that they are catering to the core gamers.

Again, it doesn't neccessarily have to get all the big 3rd party games, just the really important ones like GTA 5, Black Ops 2, Fallout, Elder Scrolls etc. and then have a really strong lineup of 1st party like Sony and not just 3-4 core games.

rasengan2552

I think going solely after Nintendo core fans is pretty pointless considering most were already satisfied with DS/Wii/3DS and even then Nintendo was barely trying. The Wii is the only controversial one but even then most Nintendo fans were satisfied with it.

how can many core fans jump ship from a 20 million userbase? they already jumped ship last gen. Main point if you dont like what nintendo is doing dont support them they are the most successful game company out right now if they have to do a complete 360 for a bunch of babies that are not satisfied with anything then yea they should say F*** em

[QUOTE="Eponique"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]Ether you're neglecting the fact A LOT of Nintendo fans jumped ship this gen or you're unaware of it. if you're unaware you'd be surprised to find out how many people in SW or gamers in general, were Nintendo supporters last gen. The Wii took a DEADLY BLOW to its core base whether you wanna believe it or not.rasengan2552

How many is "many"? I doubt Wii lost more fans than the Gamecube. These "ex-Nintendo fans" come up every gen and every gen there's a new reason as to why they're not Nintendo fans anymore. Thankfully, there are always newer Nintendo fans to fill in their place.

your acting like people cant buy more then one system....thats a fanboy mindset

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]The innovation of rumble and multiplayer is pointless...Sony and Microsoft took those ideas and bested them with dual shock and online multiplayer. nintendoboy16

When Nintendo does multiplayer, it's pointless, even if they innovate it, but when Sony and MS do it later, it's not? How the f*** does that make ANY sense? And how is innovation of multiplayer pointless when there are quite a few N64 games that used it's full potential and it started the trends (other systems before may have had four player right out of the box, but it didn't get big until after N64) in gaming?

It makes no SENSE.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"][QUOTE="Eponique"]

How many is "many"? I doubt Wii lost more fans than the Gamecube. These "ex-Nintendo fans" come up every gen and every gen there's a new reason as to why they're not Nintendo fans anymore. Thankfully, there are always newer Nintendo fans to fill in their place.

Mario1331

your acting like people cant buy more then one system....thats a fanboy mindset

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]I disagree with the assertion that the core market hates Nintendo or ignores them. Again, I point to the astounding success (at least in the US) of the N64 to make my point- incredible software attachment rates, high hardware sales, and a pure focus on the hardcore market. The N64 is proof that Nintendo can appeal to that demographic. The question is not if. The question is why. And here's the simple reason: because the Wii was not sustainable. Four years of astronomical sales, followed the worst decline in console sales history as the entire crowd migrated to iOS and Kinect gaming? Low third party software sales (which matters to Nintendo a lot, since a major portion of their revenue comes from software licensing) leading to a loss of confidence in Nintendo consoles? Loss of confidence from the core consumer, the consumer that actually buys hardware and software on a sustained basis? Nintendo's poorest lineup ever from a first party perspective (this is not just a widely held belief by forum dwellers; industry standards like Metacritic will all tell you the same thing: from a first party perspective, the Wii was Nintendo's worst system ever)? They need to return to the glory days of the N64. They had a lineup that was staggering back then, a console that truly appealed to the core, they had that market by the balls. The Wii is not sustainable. I hope we see a return to the N64 era with the Wii U.Mario1331

i dont think this was there worst first party offering at all SMG alone beats everything they released last generation, also sale wise they all went beast mode

WW > SS

MP1/MP2 > MP3/OtherM

MK:DD > MKWii

PM:TTYD > SPM

I agree with char on this one.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]Yeah they gained a lot more "fans" than expected this gen ... too bad there's a good chance they might end up Kinect fans next gen. Nintendo sees it coming, and they're righting the ship.rasengan2552

your acting like people cant buy more then one system....thats a fanboy mindset

idk about the black and white type of way im jus stating what i believe people will do. they will flock to something new but when they realize( like a lot of my customers did) when theres no mario or pokemon except on nintendo platforms then they go right back and buy all the casual junk all over again

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]The innovation of rumble and multiplayer is pointless...Sony and Microsoft took those ideas and bested them with dual shock and online multiplayer. Bread_or_Decide

When Nintendo does multiplayer, it's pointless, even if they innovate it, but when Sony and MS do it later, it's not? How the f*** does that make ANY sense? And how is innovation of multiplayer pointless when there are quite a few N64 games that used it's full potential and it started the trends (other systems before may have had four player right out of the box, but it didn't get big until after N64) in gaming?

It makes no SENSE.

Besides, what multiplayer games on the PlayStation with it's bigger library were the big go to games of that gen? Last I remember, N64 had Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, and Super Smash Bros. PlayStation had like, well mainly fighting games (mainly Tekken) that were the biggest in popularity.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]What?:?

When Nintendo does multiplayer, it's pointless, even if they innovate it, but when Sony and MS do it later, it's not? How the f*** does that make ANY sense? And how is innovation of multiplayer pointless when there are quite a few N64 games that used it's full potential and it started the trends (other systems before may have had four player right out of the box, but it didn't get big until after N64) in gaming?

It makes no SENSE.

nintendoboy16

Besides, what multiplayer games on the PlayStation with it's bigger library were the big go to games of that gen? Last I remember, N64 had Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, and Super Smash Bros. PlayStation had like, well mainly fighting games (mainly Tekken) that were the biggest in popularity.

Also I never said Sony perfected multiplayer. Xbox Live brought it home to consoles in proper fashion and they perfected it with the 360.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Makes plenty of sense. Do people remember the company that created the calculator or Texas Instruments the company that perfected the calculator? N64 had a small hand full of great games and I remember being very upset with the number of games available for my fun machine. Then I finally got a playstation and joined the rest of the world in playing lots of games all the time. Bread_or_Decide

Besides, what multiplayer games on the PlayStation with it's bigger library were the big go to games of that gen? Last I remember, N64 had Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, and Super Smash Bros. PlayStation had like, well mainly fighting games (mainly Tekken) that were the biggest in popularity.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Too bad N64 was remembered more for it's multiplayer UNLIKE the PlayStation, so your post still makes no sense.

Besides, what multiplayer games on the PlayStation with it's bigger library were the big go to games of that gen? Last I remember, N64 had Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, and Super Smash Bros. PlayStation had like, well mainly fighting games (mainly Tekken) that were the biggest in popularity.

nintendoboy16

So, more casual ***** am r confirmed?

I kid, but seriously Nintendo said this after multiple E3's for the Wii and look how it turned out

Will it be the same, don't know. But they have lied before. In short we will wait and see

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]I disagree with the assertion that the core market hates Nintendo or ignores them. Again, I point to the astounding success (at least in the US) of the N64 to make my point- incredible software attachment rates, high hardware sales, and a pure focus on the hardcore market. The N64 is proof that Nintendo can appeal to that demographic. The question is not if. The question is why. And here's the simple reason: because the Wii was not sustainable. Four years of astronomical sales, followed the worst decline in console sales history as the entire crowd migrated to iOS and Kinect gaming? Low third party software sales (which matters to Nintendo a lot, since a major portion of their revenue comes from software licensing) leading to a loss of confidence in Nintendo consoles? Loss of confidence from the core consumer, the consumer that actually buys hardware and software on a sustained basis? Nintendo's poorest lineup ever from a first party perspective (this is not just a widely held belief by forum dwellers; industry standards like Metacritic will all tell you the same thing: from a first party perspective, the Wii was Nintendo's worst system ever)? They need to return to the glory days of the N64. They had a lineup that was staggering back then, a console that truly appealed to the core, they had that market by the balls. The Wii is not sustainable. I hope we see a return to the N64 era with the Wii U.NaveedLife

i dont think this was there worst first party offering at all SMG alone beats everything they released last generation, also sale wise they all went beast mode

WW > SS

MP1/MP2 > MP3/OtherM

MK:DD > MKWii

PM:TTYD > SPM

I agree with char on this one.

i like them better no doubt but to say they been lacking is a personal opinion because there reviews this gen was higher then there reviews last gen with majority of them selling more. thats not hard though because the wii sold 4 times as much as the gamecube

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] Too bad N64 was remembered more for it's multiplayer UNLIKE the PlayStation, so your post still makes no sense.

Besides, what multiplayer games on the PlayStation with it's bigger library were the big go to games of that gen? Last I remember, N64 had Goldeneye, Mario Kart, Perfect Dark, and Super Smash Bros. PlayStation had like, well mainly fighting games (mainly Tekken) that were the biggest in popularity.

nintendoboy16

Nostalgic crazed fanboys....leave the internet sometimes. Bread_or_Decide

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

i dont think this was there worst first party offering at all SMG alone beats everything they released last generation, also sale wise they all went beast mode

Mario1331

WW > SS

MP1/MP2 > MP3/OtherM

MK:DD > MKWii

PM:TTYD > SPM

I agree with char on this one.

i like them better no doubt but to say they been lacking is a personal opinion because there reviews this gen was higher then there reviews last gen with majority of them selling more. thats not hard though because the wii sold 4 times as much as the gamecube

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

WW > SS

MP1/MP2 > MP3/OtherM

MK:DD > MKWii

PM:TTYD > SPM

I agree with char on this one.

NaveedLife

i like them better no doubt but to say they been lacking is a personal opinion because there reviews this gen was higher then there reviews last gen with majority of them selling more. thats not hard though because the wii sold 4 times as much as the gamecube

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

and even then you're just comparing zelda, metroid, and mario spinoffs.

What about all the other games klike Sin and punishment, xenoblade etc?

Suddenly they're not up to "nintendo standards" becasue they don't meet some arbitrary scoring requirement?

Didn't they say the same thing about the Wii..? Nintendo hasn't made a good system for core gamers since the N64 (maybe the gamecube), and never will make another system for core gamers.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

WW > SS

MP1/MP2 > MP3/OtherM

MK:DD > MKWii

PM:TTYD > SPM

I agree with char on this one.

NaveedLife

i like them better no doubt but to say they been lacking is a personal opinion because there reviews this gen was higher then there reviews last gen with majority of them selling more. thats not hard though because the wii sold 4 times as much as the gamecube

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

mk wii did and galaxy did so were even, they still sold more also

cant really compare paper mario because it wasnt a legit rpg like the previous 2

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]The N64 was the beginning of the end for them and it was when for the first time they did EVERYTHING wrong. Bread_or_Decide

It was a pretty big and complex-looking controller for little kids. Infact even some older gamers have problems figuring out how to hold it.

I don't see how they sacrificed gameplay for graphics either. And the first online-capable console was the Dreamcast, not Xbox or PS2.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

i like them better no doubt but to say they been lacking is a personal opinion because there reviews this gen was higher then there reviews last gen with majority of them selling more. thats not hard though because the wii sold 4 times as much as the gamecube

Shinobishyguy

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

and even then you're just comparing zelda, metroid, and mario spinoffs.

What about all the other games klike Sin and punishment, xenoblade etc?

Suddenly they're not up to "nintendo standards" becasue they don't meet some arbitrary scoring requirement?

I couldn't care less about the score. Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins ranked lower than Xenoblade by quite a bit, yet I think I will like those better than Xenoblad (I like Xenoblade so far, but a few things are really getting under my skin). I brought up the scores because he did.

And when it comes to Nintendo games, Zelda and Metroid are two of the biggest ones. If they dissapoint its quite a letdown. I just don't care about Sin and Punishment, Punchout and some others. They feel like glorified mini games. I want big epic adventures and such. It's what I have always enjoyed. I never got into Tetris, but I loved A Link To The Past.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

NaveedLife

and even then you're just comparing zelda, metroid, and mario spinoffs.

What about all the other games klike Sin and punishment, xenoblade etc?

Suddenly they're not up to "nintendo standards" becasue they don't meet some arbitrary scoring requirement?

I couldn't care less about the score. Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins ranked lower than Xenoblade by quite a bit, yet I think I will like those better than Xenoblad (I like Xenoblade so far, but a few things are really getting under my skin). I brought up the scores because he did.

And when it comes to Nintendo games, Zelda and Metroid are two of the biggest ones. If they dissapoint its quite a letdown. I just don't care about Sin and Punishment, Punchout and some others. They feel like glorified mini games. I want big epic adventures and such. It's what I have always enjoyed. I never got into Tetris, but I loved A Link To The Past.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I don't think any of those gamse I listed scored higher than the gamecube ones listed.

NaveedLife

and even then you're just comparing zelda, metroid, and mario spinoffs.

What about all the other games klike Sin and punishment, xenoblade etc?

Suddenly they're not up to "nintendo standards" becasue they don't meet some arbitrary scoring requirement?

I couldn't care less about the score. Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins ranked lower than Xenoblade by quite a bit, yet I think I will like those better than Xenoblad (I like Xenoblade so far, but a few things are really getting under my skin). I brought up the scores because he did.

And when it comes to Nintendo games, Zelda and Metroid are two of the biggest ones. If they dissapoint its quite a letdown. I just don't care about Sin and Punishment, Punchout and some others. They feel like glorified mini games. I want big epic adventures and such. It's what I have always enjoyed. I never got into Tetris, but I loved A Link To The Past.

that was my oringial arguement though.....nintendo wasnt lacking in terms of scor and sales which i prove they werent. i do like the GC iterations better then most wii iterations though

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"] Mario kart wii outscored double dash

and even then you're just comparing zelda, metroid, and mario spinoffs.

What about all the other games klike Sin and punishment, xenoblade etc?

Suddenly they're not up to "nintendo standards" becasue they don't meet some arbitrary scoring requirement?

Shinobishyguy

I couldn't care less about the score. Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins ranked lower than Xenoblade by quite a bit, yet I think I will like those better than Xenoblad (I like Xenoblade so far, but a few things are really getting under my skin). I brought up the scores because he did.

And when it comes to Nintendo games, Zelda and Metroid are two of the biggest ones. If they dissapoint its quite a letdown. I just don't care about Sin and Punishment, Punchout and some others. They feel like glorified mini games. I want big epic adventures and such. It's what I have always enjoyed. I never got into Tetris, but I loved A Link To The Past.

lol sure if you wanna chalk it up to that. But when not just the miscellaneous games are lilke that, but the Metroids and Zelda's are affected to, that is not ok ;).

You can say what you will, I PERSONALLY was very dissapointed. Zelda never thrived on linearity and quite so much hand holding. Metroid never lacked the exploration it did in Othe M. The Prime series never went action oriented and almost ditched exploration and puzzles.

You can go ahead and say the Wii library is just as good as Gamecubes, N64's and SNES's. I completely disagree with that. Nintendo's CORE franchises have always been Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. They let me down on Zelda and Metroid. Zelda being my favorite series ever made.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I couldn't care less about the score. Baten Kaitos and Baten Kaitos Origins ranked lower than Xenoblade by quite a bit, yet I think I will like those better than Xenoblad (I like Xenoblade so far, but a few things are really getting under my skin). I brought up the scores because he did.

And when it comes to Nintendo games, Zelda and Metroid are two of the biggest ones. If they dissapoint its quite a letdown. I just don't care about Sin and Punishment, Punchout and some others. They feel like glorified mini games. I want big epic adventures and such. It's what I have always enjoyed. I never got into Tetris, but I loved A Link To The Past.

NaveedLife

lol sure if you wanna chalk it up to that. But when not just the miscellaneous games are lilke that, but the Metroids and Zelda's are affected to, that is not ok ;).

You can say what you will, I PERSONALLY was very dissapointed. Zelda never thrived on linearity and quite so much hand holding. Metroid never lacked the exploration it did in Othe M. The Prime series never went action oriented and almost ditched exploration and puzzles.

You can go ahead and say the Wii library is just as good as Gamecubes, N64's and SNES's. I completely disagree with that. Nintendo's CORE franchises have always been Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. They let me down on Zelda and Metroid. Zelda being my favorite series ever made.

I mean I kinda think they dropped the ball on the wii overall too but that was more due to the lack of third party support and nintendo cutting support for it together.

Had they actually focused on it while bring out the 3ds it's library would've easily matched the GC's

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]Alright, so this is less "not up to nintendo standards" and more like "I just don't like it because it's not a big openworld adventure"

Shinobishyguy

lol sure if you wanna chalk it up to that. But when not just the miscellaneous games are lilke that, but the Metroids and Zelda's are affected to, that is not ok ;).

You can say what you will, I PERSONALLY was very dissapointed. Zelda never thrived on linearity and quite so much hand holding. Metroid never lacked the exploration it did in Othe M. The Prime series never went action oriented and almost ditched exploration and puzzles.

You can go ahead and say the Wii library is just as good as Gamecubes, N64's and SNES's. I completely disagree with that. Nintendo's CORE franchises have always been Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. They let me down on Zelda and Metroid. Zelda being my favorite series ever made.

You list me all the good Wii games and I will list a better Gamecube/N64/SNES list. I never came across in this argument as if the Wii's library is 100% factually worse and no one can like it more. I have always said I (ME! :P) do not like it as much. I never buy a Nintendo console going, "oh man I hope they show off punchout!" or "SWEET! We only get ONE Zelda this gen!" or "Oh yeah, they changed one of my favorite RPG series into a non-RPG!" or "Oh yes! I always wanted Metroid to be more linear and action oriented!"

Good games. No doubt about that. Some are awesome! Galaxy 2 is a 9.5 in my mind. Amazing game! So it is not like I don't like any games on the Wii. Why do you think I bought one again after selling my first on on ebay (which I bought at launch on ebay for 380)?

EDIT: I will say that I think the WiiU has a much better position to bring us great games. The controller actually has many practical uses. The Wii remote has uses no doubt, but it got shoehorned into a lot of games making them worse. Not just that, but HD is really necessary :P. Ok not necessary, but my gosh I just cannot stand all the jaggies in some games :P. I love lighting, textures and more, but HD is all that is VERY needed. WiiU is setup to please :).

I don't even know what that means. Just give me good games!

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

lol sure if you wanna chalk it up to that. But when not just the miscellaneous games are lilke that, but the Metroids and Zelda's are affected to, that is not ok ;).

You can say what you will, I PERSONALLY was very dissapointed. Zelda never thrived on linearity and quite so much hand holding. Metroid never lacked the exploration it did in Othe M. The Prime series never went action oriented and almost ditched exploration and puzzles.

You can go ahead and say the Wii library is just as good as Gamecubes, N64's and SNES's. I completely disagree with that. Nintendo's CORE franchises have always been Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. They let me down on Zelda and Metroid. Zelda being my favorite series ever made.

NaveedLife

You list me all the good Wii games and I will list a better Gamecube/N64/SNES list. I never came across in this argument as if the Wii's library is 100% factually worse and no one can like it more. I have always said I (ME! :P) do not like it as much. I never buy a Nintendo console going, "oh man I hope they show off punchout!" or "SWEET! We only get ONE Zelda this gen!" or "Oh yeah, they changed one of my favorite RPG series into a non-RPG!" or "Oh yes! I always wanted Metroid to be more linear and action oriented!"

Good games. No doubt about that. Some are awesome! Galaxy 2 is a 9.5 in my mind. Amazing game! So it is not like I don't like any games on the Wii. Why do you think I bought one again after selling my first on on ebay (which I bought at launch on ebay for 380)?

Nintendo has always made arcade type games that are great to play in short bursts. Some of those types of games are among nintendo's best classics.

and btw: SPM started off as a GC game acting like the wii ruined it is kinda silly

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]so that suddenly means that every other good game suddenly doesn't matter now? Really?Shinobishyguy

You list me all the good Wii games and I will list a better Gamecube/N64/SNES list. I never came across in this argument as if the Wii's library is 100% factually worse and no one can like it more. I have always said I (ME! :P) do not like it as much. I never buy a Nintendo console going, "oh man I hope they show off punchout!" or "SWEET! We only get ONE Zelda this gen!" or "Oh yeah, they changed one of my favorite RPG series into a non-RPG!" or "Oh yes! I always wanted Metroid to be more linear and action oriented!"

Good games. No doubt about that. Some are awesome! Galaxy 2 is a 9.5 in my mind. Amazing game! So it is not like I don't like any games on the Wii. Why do you think I bought one again after selling my first on on ebay (which I bought at launch on ebay for 380)?

Handheld =/= console

M&L =/= Paper Mario

Paper Mario is SOOOO much better ;).

Again, it is my personal opinion on these games. Zelda is my favorite series. seeing only ONE and it being worse (IMO and even in critics opinions) is a letdown. I won't go on with all of it again. I don't see how you can deny what i am saying. I am never saying the games are trash. I am not saying my opinions are fact. I am simply saying I was letdown this gen by the Wii. and honestly, one part of it has to do with motion controls and HD. HD to a lesser extent, but at times motion controls really hindered experiences (more often then helped). BUT they did help with Metroid Primes. Those are awesome controls!

EDIT: I am not saying the Wii ruined Paper Mario. I am simply saying the Wii has the ruined game ;). It doesn't matter what it is on. It just so happened to be this gen.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

You list me all the good Wii games and I will list a better Gamecube/N64/SNES list. I never came across in this argument as if the Wii's library is 100% factually worse and no one can like it more. I have always said I (ME! :P) do not like it as much. I never buy a Nintendo console going, "oh man I hope they show off punchout!" or "SWEET! We only get ONE Zelda this gen!" or "Oh yeah, they changed one of my favorite RPG series into a non-RPG!" or "Oh yes! I always wanted Metroid to be more linear and action oriented!"

Good games. No doubt about that. Some are awesome! Galaxy 2 is a 9.5 in my mind. Amazing game! So it is not like I don't like any games on the Wii. Why do you think I bought one again after selling my first on on ebay (which I bought at launch on ebay for 380)?

NaveedLife

Handheld =/= console

M&L =/= Paper Mario

Paper Mario is SOOOO much better ;).

Again, it is my personal opinion on these games. Zelda is my favorite series. seeing only ONE and it being worse (IMO and even in critics opinions) is a letdown. I won't go on with all of it again. I don't see how you can deny what i am saying. I am never saying the games are trash. I am not saying my opinions are fact. I am simply saying I was letdown this gen by the Wii. and honestly, one part of it has to do with motion controls and HD. HD to a lesser extent, but at times motion controls really hindered experiences (more often then helped). BUT they did help with Metroid Primes. Those are awesome controls!

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"]I'm just saying just because certain games aren't in your genre of choice don't mean that they aren't up to nintendo's standard of quality. and btw: Bowser's inside story brought back the rpg elements so you complaining andout SPM is kinda moot at this pointShinobishyguy

Handheld =/= console

M&L =/= Paper Mario

Paper Mario is SOOOO much better ;).

Again, it is my personal opinion on these games. Zelda is my favorite series. seeing only ONE and it being worse (IMO and even in critics opinions) is a letdown. I won't go on with all of it again. I don't see how you can deny what i am saying. I am never saying the games are trash. I am not saying my opinions are fact. I am simply saying I was letdown this gen by the Wii. and honestly, one part of it has to do with motion controls and HD. HD to a lesser extent, but at times motion controls really hindered experiences (more often then helped). BUT they did help with Metroid Primes. Those are awesome controls!

Again, I buy Wii systems for those series first and foremost. Its like going to a concert for the last two bands, having them be good, but not as good as usual, but there were a lot of little bands before them that were pretty good ina ddition. That is wonderful and all, but they are not the main attraction :P.

And I will reiterate that some people may like Kirby and other games more than Zelda and Metroid. I personally have not enjoyed a Kirby game since the Super Nintendo one. 64's was WAY too easy and boring. I feel Kirby is often that way. Just never been my thing. In terms of 2D platformers I say DKC > Mario >>> Kirby. While DKCR is a great game (and I have actually not opeend NSMBWii yet :P) I don't think its quite as good as DKC2 and 3. Definitely a great game though.

I guess I just feel like it was a big 8.5 gen for Nintendo. Great games all around...wonderful and all. But not much outside of Galaxy 2 (I need to beat Xenoblade) that blew my mind. I feel WW, MP, MP2, Baten Kaitos, Baten Kaitos Origins, F-Zero GX, and many more were all amazing and even mind blowing (some of them) games.

I prefer quality over quantity.

Didn't they say the same thing about the Wii..? Nintendo hasn't made a good system for core gamers since the N64 (maybe the gamecube), and never will make another system for core gamers.

StealthMonkey4