Iwata: 3DS and Wii U Will Focus on Core Gamers

[QUOTE="deangallop"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Oh, the old "it's not new IP so it's not memorable" argument. I see, you don't have a problem with the games, just the fact that instead of coming up with an entirely new concept, Nintendo just utilizes a recognizable property to put all it's new ideas into. That's understandable, if it wasn't so stupid. Most games from this gen will be forgotten in 10 years. What people will remember the most from this gen is games like Super Mario Galaxy.Pikminmaniac

Now it's really hard to believe you've played Super Mario Galaxy 2 in which every single stage was so incredibly creative and unique that an entire game could be created out of its concept alone. Galaxy 2 isn't my favourite platformer this gen (although it's darn close), but it had the most memorable stages in the entire genre.

how can you pick rayman over SMG2:o

I like what I hear and what I see on the 3DS thus far, but they need to make sure they CONTINUE those efforts. For example, they had BETTER show off Paper Mario and more at E3 :P. I WANT IT NOW! If the WiiU can show off one game that blows me away at E3, it will be enough. Whether it is a new Metroid, Zelda, or new IP altogether. Make it happen Nintendo!

NaveedLife

right now you are my fav poster for stating paper mario argueably the greatest mario series ever created

It'll be nice to have Nintendo of the SNES/N64 years back.

[QUOTE="runbleduck"]What a joke. They said the same thing about the Wii, and look what they did to AAA core games like xenoblade, last story, pandora's tower, and other good core games like disaster, fatal frame, etc: They bitterly refused to release them until the Wii is pretty much dead, and then leaving the distribution to small publishers or to store exclusitivity so that it will have no marketing and guarantee to bomb, just so Nintendo can flaunt it to investors as a reason why they will no longer make core games and discourage 3rd parties from releasing core games on their system. Nintendo has been pretty apparent in their disdain for core games and gamers and outright view them as filth contaminating their system's family image. charizard1605

of yes they did. When the sales started to slow down I remember Reggie talking about how the Wii will cater to the core gamers and stuff but it never happened.

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and there's tons more from where these came from. Just Google them.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="runbleduck"]What a joke. They said the same thing about the Wii, and look what they did to AAA core games like xenoblade, last story, pandora's tower, and other good core games like disaster, fatal frame, etc: They bitterly refused to release them until the Wii is pretty much dead, and then leaving the distribution to small publishers or to store exclusitivity so that it will have no marketing and guarantee to bomb, just so Nintendo can flaunt it to investors as a reason why they will no longer make core games and discourage 3rd parties from releasing core games on their system. Nintendo has been pretty apparent in their disdain for core games and gamers and outright view them as filth contaminating their system's family image. Gue1

of yes they did. When the sales started to slow down I remember Reggie talking about how the Wii will cater to the core gamers and stuff but it never happened.

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and there's tons more from where these came from. Just Google them.

It's very interesting to hear those words from him now. They're such a shift from Nintendo's way of thinking from 5-6 years ago. I'm glad that he understands all of this, and I hope that the Wii U will truly follow in the 3DS's footsteps of releasing such awesome core games in its first year.

Bring on Metroid Prime 4, Nintendo! :D

I think its funny to hear people talk about how you have to go after the casuals to win. The fact is anyone who focuses on the casuals next gen is doomed to failure as those people are already taken with the I-pad and cheap crappy smartphone games. The only way to win now is the core gamer and sadly theres not enough of them to support 3 companys.

[QUOTE="deangallop"]I really feel bad for you if you honestly think that all games stories are bad and that the experiences these developers put so much work and effort into are worth nothing. If you play for just the pure fun, why don't you just go with apple and the app store? It will save you a bunch of cash.Zeviander

I'm not going to compare litt. to games, completely different mediums that do completely separate things.

Infact I'm done arguing with you altogether, keep thinking that Mario Kart 7, Kirby's Epic Yarn, SSBB, Wii Sports and plenty of their series are good enough, continue thinking that they are better experiences than the efforts that come come from developers who want to achieve more than just a paycheck. Keep believeing that all these efforts the others put into immersing the gamers' into the gameworld are in vain. I don't really care.

I came in here because I want more from Nintendo, that's it. You don't have to agree, go and rate everything they make 10/10, I couldn't care less. I'm done defending my point, I'm bored with Nintendo's marque series, they need to do something new IMO.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I like what I hear and what I see on the 3DS thus far, but they need to make sure they CONTINUE those efforts. For example, they had BETTER show off Paper Mario and more at E3 :P. I WANT IT NOW! If the WiiU can show off one game that blows me away at E3, it will be enough. Whether it is a new Metroid, Zelda, or new IP altogether. Make it happen Nintendo!

Mario1331

right now you are my fav poster for stating paper mario argueably the greatest mario series ever created

Paper Mario 64 and TTYD are two of the best RPG games ever made. I think TTYD is a bit better, but for some reason I liked 64 more. I really hope the 3DS one is as good as those and keeps all the sidequests, exploration, badges, and so on.

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

I like what I hear and what I see on the 3DS thus far, but they need to make sure they CONTINUE those efforts. For example, they had BETTER show off Paper Mario and more at E3 :P. I WANT IT NOW! If the WiiU can show off one game that blows me away at E3, it will be enough. Whether it is a new Metroid, Zelda, or new IP altogether. Make it happen Nintendo!

NaveedLife

right now you are my fav poster for stating paper mario argueably the greatest mario series ever created

Paper Mario 64 and TTYD are two of the best RPG games ever made. I think TTYD is a bit better, but for some reason I liked 64 more. I really hope the 3DS one is as good as those and keeps all the sidequests, exploration, badges, and so on.

TTYD is the pinnacle of the paper mario series i put so many hours in that game . it jus has so much charm and witty gameplay its easily one of my fav games ever created.

64 was great because it wa the first paper mario game i believed and hoenstly caught people off guard i remember playing that when i was younger

now im going to look for it on the wii shop channel :P

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

right now you are my fav poster for stating paper mario argueably the greatest mario series ever created

Mario1331

Paper Mario 64 and TTYD are two of the best RPG games ever made. I think TTYD is a bit better, but for some reason I liked 64 more. I really hope the 3DS one is as good as those and keeps all the sidequests, exploration, badges, and so on.

TTYD is the pinnacle of the paper mario series i put so many hours in that game . it jus has so much charm and witty gameplay its easily one of my fav games ever created.

64 was great because it wa the first paper mario game i believed and hoenstly caught people off guard i remember playing that when i was younger

now im going to look for it on the wii shop channel :P

Haha, I guess I liked the environments and such in 64, and cause it was the first. But I know that TTYD has more to it and has much better use of the paper theme.

This is something I have been saying a lot about the Wii. That they may have the market share this gen for consoles sold. But in reality how many of them have more than the games that came with it, like he mentions Wii Sport and Wii Fit. These titles might have shifted (and there are still ads on TV here that is showing off the Wii Fit Plus). But the people who buy games regularly are these core. They will buy the new console when released they will buy the next version of a game, Call of Duty anyone. But these games were never on Wii they were hoping that the majority of the 95 million bought Wii Sport, and then Wii Sport Resort. But they didn't and this is where things got tough for Nintendo. When sales started slowing to the point of affecting profits Nintendo were releasing more Zelda and more Mario. Then the WiiU, so it would be interesting to see what happens. What I saw at E3 2011. Well it me they were hoping that the 90 odd million who bought the Wii would just upgrade to the WiiU. Sorry guys not going to happen.mike_on_mic

i dont get what your saying....are you saying people wont buy nintendo games?

Looking forward to seeing what Iwata has in store. Was not a big fan of how the Wii was handled tbh. While it had its numerous gems like Xenoblade, SMG1, SMG2, Skyward Sword etc., it focused way to heavily on the "casuals", as one might call it, than it did on its pre-existing fanbase. I just hope the end of Wii U's lifecycle isn't as bad as what the Wii looks like right now.

and be like GameCube?me2002

[QUOTE="me2002"]and be like GameCube?nintendoboy16

Iwata means wii u will have games similar to uncharted, gears of war, halo, forza, gt, the witcher, skyrim, la noire, and multiplats on wii u will be as good as ps3/360 version compared to wii? Or just more mario,zelda, xenoblade, more "realistic" mario kart and whatnot core jrpg games.

If the former, Im skeptical.

I don't really care either TBH. The Wii was a "casual" syste, yet I was able to build a good library of games with it, and that's not even including the Virtual Console, which was also great. That plus there's nothing necessarily wrong with "casual" games either.

So Nintendo has its tail between its legs huh? its hard to take statements like this seriously when their new system has that awful children's toy looking controller in all honesty so I won't be rushing out to preorder anything next gen.

I'm not going to compare litt. to games, completely different mediums that do completely separate things.

Infact I'm done arguing with you altogether, keep thinking that Mario Kart 7, Kirby's Epic Yarn, SSBB, Wii Sports and plenty of their series are good enough, continue thinking that they are better experiences than the efforts that come come from developers who want to achieve more than just a paycheck. Keep believeing that all these efforts the others put into immersing the gamers' into the gameworld are in vain. I don't really care.

I came in here because I want more from Nintendo, that's it. You don't have to agree, go and rate everything they make 10/10, I couldn't care less. I'm done defending my point, I'm bored with Nintendo's marque series, they need to do something new IMO.

deangallop

Look, I am sure Zeviander and I are sorry for having a little something called standards... unlike you apperantly. I dont know about Zeviander, but believe if you are going to do something, you should do it well. Dont add 100 half assed features. Also, Zeviander isnt a sheep, he is a TRUE manticore.

The choices in Fallout 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, RDR ect are all hilariously mediocre, if not laughably bad. Choosing between playing as a Naive Saint or Psychopathic Lunatic isnt exactly what I call an intriguing choice, they are unrealistic, naive, downright stupid, feel forced and gaming would be better off without them.

Lol at several of those devs who made those games in your examples wanting anything more than a paycheck.

Sounds like members of Nintendo themselves got sick of the wii and had it collecting dust. Iwata explained exactly what happened to me with the system--Play it for a bit, get sick of it, hardcore titles come but you're already "over" the system and cant be bothered picking any of these titles up.

Nice and all, but maybe too little, too late. Nintendo, please remember that most core gamers already own a PS3 or 360 , or both, and are quite satisfied. Can your tablet controller really be that engaging for people to buy a new console that is similar in power to the consoles we already own?

Videodogg

Sounds like members of Nintendo themselves got sick of the wii and had it collecting dust. Iwata explained exactly what happened to me with the system--Play it for a bit, get sick of it, hardcore titles come but you're already "over" the system and cant be bothered picking any of these titles up.

sailor232

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="me2002"]and be like GameCube?me2002

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

Didn't they say that about the Wii as well?

charizard1605

I mean that it will have focus on casual and core gamers. If I remember correctly at several E3s after launch they promised that.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

Didn't they say that about the Wii as well?

GD1551

I mean that it will have focus on casual and core gamers. If I remember correctly at several E3s after launch they promised that.

[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] No, they specifically said the Wii was designed to cater to a widened, expanded audience: the blue ocean, just like the DS.charizard1605

I mean that it will have focus on casual and core gamers. If I remember correctly at several E3s after launch they promised that.

btw you forgot red steel 2, sonic colors and NBA Jam!

Yeah Wii was always Nintendo core/fans and the expanded audience.

There may have been some "an edgier title from Nintendo" (other M) and "here are a little more edgier games from 3rd parties (conduit, dead space extraction). Obviously didn't work well.

Their motto was always "something for everyone" though.

With Wii U the difference is they are saying "there have been excellent games that haven't made it to Nintendo systems that 3rd parties can now bring to us as Wii U is a modern console" and Iwata has expressed that there is high demand for photo realism / games with "rich graphics and gameplay volume" or so.

Basically this time they want ME, CoD, BF, AC, NHL, FIFA, RDR, TES, BioShock, GTA, RE, Batman, possibly valve/blizzard games, you know, the typical photo realistic/hollywood rollercoaster/dudebro/western-centric stuff.

In 2010, they promised to have core games available for the Wii; that year, the Wii got No More Heroes 2, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, Monster Hunter Tri, Sin and Punishment: Star Successor, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Metroid: Other M, Epick Mickey, Kirby's Epic Yarn, Donkey Kong Country Returns, and Goldeneye 007.charizard1605

You forgot Red Steel 2, Jett Rocket, Fluidity, and Sonic Colors.

Good luck with that Nintendo.....:lol:

Good luck with that Nintendo.....lolol

AtariKidX

Maybe If the Wii would of been that way, I'd think about buying the Wiiu. Heil68

The lack of sense this makes is astonishing :O

[QUOTE="Heil68"]Maybe If the Wii would of been that way, I'd think about buying the Wiiu. Pikminmaniac

The lack of sense this makes is astonishing :O

they will focus on core NINTENDO gamers, not generally or all core gamers.

right now their biggest oppurtunity is to get a definitive version of Black Ops 2, that will get peoples attention.

they will focus on core NINTENDO gamers, not generally or all core gamers.

right now their biggest oppurtunity is to get a definitive version of Black Ops 2, that will get peoples attention.

rasengan2552

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

they will focus on core NINTENDO gamers, not generally or all core gamers.

right now their biggest oppurtunity is to get a definitive version of Black Ops 2, that will get peoples attention.

charizard1605

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

they will focus on core NINTENDO gamers, not generally or all core gamers.

right now their biggest oppurtunity is to get a definitive version of Black Ops 2, that will get peoples attention.

AtariKidX

Last Nintendo console that focused on "core" gamers was the GameCube. It was their worst-selling console and was loosing 3rd party support and even had ceased production for a brief period of time. I don't think Nintendo should try to appeal to the demographic that view them as "kiddy". They should simply continue making good games that everyone can enjoy imo.