you get rid of guns, you get ride of power, if power is gone there would be no lawsiamshivy
Not entirely, just not available to the public.
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you get rid of guns, you get ride of power, if power is gone there would be no lawsiamshivy
Not entirely, just not available to the public.
[QUOTE="samusarmada"]I think the less extreme way would probably just to get rid of guns.
Lemmywinks_360
I don't support the nra but I'm going to make a point.
gun
stapler
If you were to place both of them in a room which would kill someone first? A gun by itself will not hurt anyone. Ive never seen any gun that can load itself, cok itself, aim itself, and fire itself.
I'm pretty fine with the idea of guns to be honest. I made the point as a counter argument to the idea that killing every stupid person would make the world a better place, and therefore lead to less gun accidents.
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Dark-Pain
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"][QUOTE="MGSFan92"]Hmm, I wonder where he'll respawn now?hongkingkong
People like you are pathetic.
I must protest - thats cold-hard wit right there.
Come on do you expect everyone to feel sympathy? Some western kid who is given every chance in life owns himself being stupid while the majority of the world work hard to support their families and get little in return. The world moves on in a big freaking way, not that nobody would feel sorry for the kid's family, but because its just a stupid waste and its not important because its all the kid's fault, case closed.
He's not stupid, he's a kid, that's the reason why a kid doesnt go to jail when he kills someone, because he is a minor. Not really sympathy though, but just respect for the one who died.
The one to blame here is the parents for letting him have access to a real gun, let alone a loaded one.
edit: i realized many people here say the kid is stupid. Seriously i can't believe how ignorant those people are. He is an effin kid, what the hell to you expect him to do act mature and walk away?
[QUOTE="samusarmada"]
I think the less extreme way would probably just to get rid of guns.
samusarmada
you get rid of guns, you get ride of power, if power is gone there would be no lawsiamshivy
I live in England. Unfortunately for your theory I have yet to decapitate my neighbour because his lack of a gun has now allowed me to do so.
aw ya i for got all about that,, but does england have an army?? i said that hole thing meaning like if there wasnt a gun on earth.. how could there be someone in charge, unless that person was really rich.[QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Mercenary848
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
[QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Mercenary848
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Dark-Pain
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
So skipping school and being an iresponsibe youth means you will grow up to be nothing and deserve to die huh. Most people did dangerous stuff as a kid and a lot of them grew up fine. You need to go out more.
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Dark-Pain
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
my dad always said when handling a gun pretend it's always loaded...even if you think/checked chamber ....still dont point it at people keep it pointed at the ground when handling.
basically i knew since a kid...i knew not to play with this **** and it's not a toy.
[QUOTE="primateface"]its the parents fault for not teaching a kid gun means danger how to handle them if needed.
Dark-Pain
The kid played halo and obviously knew that a gun killed people. Com'on. He also pointed it at his head and pulled the trigger.
he thought he'd respawn lol.
[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="samusarmada"]
I think the less extreme way would probably just to get rid of guns.
iamshivy
you get rid of guns, you get ride of power, if power is gone there would be no lawsiamshivy
I live in England. Unfortunately for your theory I have yet to decapitate my neighbour because his lack of a gun has now allowed me to do so.
aw ya i for got all about that,, but does england have an army?? i said that hole thing meaning like if there wasnt a gun on earth.. how could there be someone in charge, unless that person was really rich.You do realise that the history of guns does not stretch all the way to the beginning of humanity, dont you :?
[QUOTE="Videogamefan123"]Also how stupid was he to play with a LOADED GUNDark-Pain
Not only that but to point it at his head and pull the trigger.
i doubt he knew the gun was loaded. But yeah standard rule in gun handling is that you treat every gun like it's a loaded one, never point it at people even if it has no ammunition.
[QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Burnsmiesta
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
I am saying it. You know I should stop posting on this thread.Too many people that don't understand anything.
[QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Dr_Snood"][QUOTE="MGSFan92"]Hmm, I wonder where he'll respawn now?barneyalfonso
People like you are pathetic.
I must protest - thats cold-hard wit right there.
Come on do you expect everyone to feel sympathy? Some western kid who is given every chance in life owns himself being stupid while the majority of the world work hard to support their families and get little in return. The world moves on in a big freaking way, not that nobody would feel sorry for the kid's family, but because its just a stupid waste and its not important because its all the kid's fault, case closed.
He's not stupid, he's a kid, that's the reason why a kid doesnt go to jail when he kills someone, because he is a minor. Not really sympathy though, but just respect for the one who died.
The one to blame here is the parents for letting him have access to a real gun, let alone a loaded one.
edit: i realized many people here say the kid is stupid. Seriously i can't believe how ignorant those people are. He is an effin kid, what the hell to you expect him to do act mature and walk away?
Personally? Well yes. But perhaps too subtly I detatched myself from that 2nd paragraph, that is what i'm saying most people will think.
Speaking from experience: At 11 I was able to cross the road by myself, I could pick my nose without giving myself a lobotomy, I could breathe and blink at the same time, I had been presented with a gun and i stood the **** back from it cus I knew that the things are designed solely to open holes in people. Now blame isn't a black and white thing, its clear this kid was not very bright, his parents are pretty dim too, but ultimately we have to take responsibility for our own actions because nobody else will!
An Inspector calls all over again...
[QUOTE="Videogamefan123"]Also how stupid was he to play with a LOADED GUNDark-Pain
Not only that but to point it at his head and pull the trigger.
i doubt he knew the gun was loaded. But yeah that is standard rule in gun handling, treat every gun like it's loaded and never point it at anyone even if it has no ammo. But seriously we shouldn't judge a kid's decisions, he is a kid after all.
[QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Mercenary848
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
So skipping school and being an iresponsibe youth means you will grow up to be nothing and deserve to die huh. Most people did dangerous stuff as a kid and a lot of them grew up fine. You need to go out more.
Yea but many people don't take a gun and point it at their head. You need to understand more. Normal people don't play with guns loaded and certinly don't point it at there head. I need to g out more no I think you do. You can't understand because you are not smart enough. I won't argue anymore. It is pointless with people like you anyway. But this is system wars what can you expect?
IndeedTo the kid-
1. Why are you playing with a gun instead of just........... playing halo?
2. Why the hell would you point it at yourself?
To the parents-
1. Why does he have access to a gun?
2. Why the **** do you keep a loaded gun in your house?
Lemmywinks_360
[QUOTE="Burnsmiesta"]
Who are you to say someone deserved to die? Dark-Pain
I am saying it. You know I should stop posting on this thread.Too many people that don't understand anything.
You lose the feeling to feel sorrow for someone, you don't gain the understanding to negate it.
lol even if you think a gun is not loaded theres always a chance it could be loaded...because sometimes the you might miss a bullet if the chamber doesnt kick it out....but who the hell in their right mind would take a gun put it to their head and pull the trigger? WTF you have to be dumber than **** .
you get rid of guns, you get ride of power, if power is gone there would be no lawsiamshivy
What the ****?
In all honesty.
What the ****?
It the 21st century.
If you believe people in modern societies have to be told to be civilised by the barrel of a gun, you really need to rethink your attitudes.
Sorry, but that is all kinds of messed up.
If recent international conflicts are any indication its never simply the weapons that grant power, influence or control.
*sigh*
And what is keeping a loaded firearm in your house going to do? Defend you from burglars? How about fixing the reason why people are burgling houses in the firs place instead of killing them.
Giving everyone the opportunity to carry a loaded firearm, and turn their house into a mini munitions depo increases the variables of peoples means to create crime, by a massive margin.
An us and them mentality, that shows how recessive certain pieces of logic can be.
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="Dark-Pain"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]This is sad, also some of the posts in this thread are disturbing.Dark-Pain
How is is sad? This kid skips school to imatate halo and kills him self with a REAL, FULLY LOADED GUN. IN HALO GUNS KILL. Did he not know. WHy did it shoot his head? Was he dumb enough to point it at his head. He deserved to die if he obviously pointed it at his head. He should have just played the game himself.
Its sad because someone lost a family member or friend(You do know what they are right). I know your type you try to be different and intellectual by condeming humanity and sympathy. Did those people that died at VT deserve it the shooter felt similar about the Human Race.
Well then the parent should have hidden the gun better. And maybe the kid should not have pointed the gun to his head and pull the trigger. People at VT died becasue someone sucidal killed them. They did not deserve to die. They could have become something good.They were not skipping shool and imitating a game. I feel sad for them. I went to to VT to light up the candles for them. THis kid deserved it. VT is diffrent.
So skipping school and being an iresponsibe youth means you will grow up to be nothing and deserve to die huh. Most people did dangerous stuff as a kid and a lot of them grew up fine. You need to go out more.
Yea but many people don't take a gun and point it at their head. You need to understand more. Normal people don't play with guns loaded and certinly don't point it at there head. I need to g out more no I think you do. You can't understand because you are not smart enough. I won't argue anymore. It is pointless with people like you anyway. But this is system wars what can you expect?
Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
lol even if you think a gun is not loaded theres always a chance it could be loaded...because sometimes the you might miss a bullet if the chamber doesnt kick it out...
primateface
Well he was a kid. The report said he took the clip out, so he obviously assumed it was empty. He was a child, part of what them makes them children is there lack of common sense.
I am saying it. You know I should stop posting on this thread.Too many people that don't understand anything.
Dark-Pain
Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
Mercenary848
It just says he was shot in the head. He also took the clip out, assuming that would be enough.
Okay this is getting stupid, read this:
"However he did not obviously grasp that a round could still be loaded in the chamber even when the magazine ejected and was found shot through the head yesterday."
he ejected the magazine and thought it was empty, it was an accident, not a suicide. Was that a stupid and irresponsible thing to do? Yes, BUT he was an 11 year old KID, you know...those little creatures that do stupid things and that need parenting and protection from objects that can harm them. People who say that this kid deserved to die and deserves no compassion are either 11 year old kids just like him or have twisted ideologies that should be kept away from any conversations that involve normal people.
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"]Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
samusarmada
It just says he was shot in the head. He also took the clip out, assuming that would be enough.
Psh unless he had a burn mark I don't think he put it directlt to his head, did they say what kind of gun.
[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
Mercenary848
It just says he was shot in the head. He also took the clip out, assuming that would be enough.
Psh unless he had a burn mark I don't think he put it directlt to his head, did they say what kind of gun.
.22 caliber rifle
I don't know what that is though.
Okay this is getting stupid, read this:
"However he did not obviously grasp that a round could still be loaded in the chamber even when the magazine ejected and was found shot through the head yesterday."
he ejected the magazine and thought it was empty, it was an accident, not a suicide. Was that a stupid and irresponsible thing to do? Yes, BUT he was an 11 year old KID, you know...those little creatures that do stupid things and that need parenting and protection from objects that can harm them. People who say that this kid deserved to die and deserves no compassion are either 11 year old kids just like him or have twisted ideologies that should be kept away from any conversations that involve normal people.
Fawlcon_Pawnch
LOL dumbass forgot to eject the bullet that was loaded in the chamber from the clip being in there....idiot didnt empty the chamber/clear it acouple times...then point it at ground and fire the hammerpin pointed at the ground and u good lol.
i knew to do this at 5 years old and this dude's 11 LOL.
but this dude's a dumbass even at 5 i would of never pointed it at my head ever...muchless pull the trigger i knew it was some dangerous ****
[QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
samusarmada
It just says he was shot in the head. He also took the clip out, assuming that would be enough.
Psh unless he had a burn mark I don't think he put it directlt to his head, did they say what kind of gun.
.22 caliber rifle
I don't know what that is though.
That's this....the brass shell stays in the chamber and the lead/ grey top part is what shoots duh.. lol...but that messed him up lol.
[QUOTE="barneyalfonso"][QUOTE="hongkingkong"][QUOTE="Dr_Snood"][QUOTE="MGSFan92"]Hmm, I wonder where he'll respawn now?hongkingkong
People like you are pathetic.
I must protest - thats cold-hard wit right there.
Come on do you expect everyone to feel sympathy? Some western kid who is given every chance in life owns himself being stupid while the majority of the world work hard to support their families and get little in return. The world moves on in a big freaking way, not that nobody would feel sorry for the kid's family, but because its just a stupid waste and its not important because its all the kid's fault, case closed.
He's not stupid, he's a kid, that's the reason why a kid doesnt go to jail when he kills someone, because he is a minor. Not really sympathy though, but just respect for the one who died.
The one to blame here is the parents for letting him have access to a real gun, let alone a loaded one.
edit: i realized many people here say the kid is stupid. Seriously i can't believe how ignorant those people are. He is an effin kid, what the hell to you expect him to do act mature and walk away?
Personally? Well yes. But perhaps too subtly I detatched myself from that 2nd paragraph, that is what i'm saying most people will think.
Speaking from experience: At 11 I was able to cross the road by myself, I could pick my nose without giving myself a lobotomy, I could breathe and blink at the same time, I had been presented with a gun and i stood the **** back from it cus I knew that the things are designed solely to open holes in people. Now blame isn't a black and white thing, its clear this kid was not very bright, his parents are pretty dim too, but ultimately we have to take responsibility for our own actions because nobody else will!
An Inspector calls all over again...
well i can see when you were eleven you were already aware of what is right and wrong, and i'm sure a portion why that is (aside from your natural intuition i suppose) is the proper teachings made by your parents, which clearly this kid lacked.
People here also criticize the kid for cutting class, justifying it to his death. To be honest, as a kid, who really wanted to go to school? Even myself didnt want to go to school when i was a kid, i just wanted to play sega all day long i only realized the importance of it in my high school years. But what made me not skip school is MY PARENTS WHO MADE ME GO TO SCHOOL. so again I stay with my argument, his parents were noobs.
My immediate reaction, why was an 11 year old child allowed access to a loaded gun?SpruceCaboose
hence why part of the blame goes to the parents.but even so..some of the posts in this thread are very shocking and disturbing
then again..people like that only feel that way untill it happens to someone they love.
[QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"][QUOTE="samusarmada"][QUOTE="Mercenary848"]Meh I rarely post here, but the article didn't come up did he point it to his head or did the gun go off. A lot of people who know how to handle a weapon have accidental discharges. I saw a man the other day check the sights of his AK by placeing it on the ground and standing over it. The man could have easily accidentily pulled the trigger. Also none of us were there so we don't know. The kid could have been cleeaning it and screwed up.
primateface
It just says he was shot in the head. He also took the clip out, assuming that would be enough.
Psh unless he had a burn mark I don't think he put it directlt to his head, did they say what kind of gun.
.22 caliber rifle
I don't know what that is though.
That's this....the brass shell stays in the chamber and the lead/ grey top part is what shoots duh.. lol...but that messed him up lol.
Like a rifle you hunt deer with?
[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]My immediate reaction, why was an 11 year old child allowed access to a loaded gun?lawlessx
hence why part of the blame goes to the parents.but even so..some of the posts in this thread are very shocking and disturbing
then again..people like that only feel that way untill it happens to someone they love.
IMO, all of the blame goes to the parents. Children do not grasp the concept of life and death. They do not understand that death is permanent, and no matter how much the child is "trained and taught" about guns, they do not grasp the gravity of the item or its consequences.
The child was playing, like a child will. Its the parents' responsibility to safe-guard that child to the best of their ability. Giving a child a loaded weapon, or allowing access to one, is negligent to the point of criminal in my mind.
Like a rifle you hunt deer with?
samusarmada
A .22 is mainly being used for hunting small pests, for sports shooting, for plinking, and for cheap training. Usually, with deer you would use a more powerful ammunition.
Wow... Playing with guns was a "common Pasttime" for the kid... Why was the kid allowed to play with it... If it was a common pasttime thing why would the parents not remove the Bullets... Finaly when in halo do you shot yourself? sounds like darwin was right... People this moronic weed them selves out...ChaneyR91
An adult I would agree with you, but an 11 year old child does not understand the consequences or the concept of death.
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