Forza Horizon 2 is a different game on Xbox 360

My Bad. Good point. Could def do on PS4.

The framerate is terrible on the game as well. Turn 10 said they could have added weather and day/night to Forza 4, but didn't have time to implement and fully test. They put day/night cycle in Horizons just to prove it was possible. Now Horizons 2 will have both. Like I said, there weren't MANY games doing this last gen on consoles, which is correct. Name me a few more games on consoles. The only other one was probably PGR4. It was done before GT6 and was done better. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/680090/pgr4-weather-effects-gameplay-video/

There is no performance reasons. So give it a rest troll.

On 360 you can chose to turn auto sign in and as soon as you turn the console it will seek online connection and connect even the PS3 does this man stop your damage control you make a list of stupid things to make it seem like both games are different.

By your logic LBP3 on PS4 is exclusive since you know i can share videos of the game with the share button,on PS3 i can't oh i can party chat with friends on PS3 i can't so i guess that make LBP 3 exclusive on PS4,since is a different game on PS3.

Hell many 360 games even have the launch online feature right on the start menu so you not only see options,start game and all that crap you also see join multiplayer on the very first screen 1 button push and your online..

Byte the bullet dude have you see me making a scene crying about how LBP 3 is PS4 exclusive.?

I can't do that because i don't need a PS4 to play LBP3 it will also be on PS3,same with Plants vs zombies,same with Titanfall it was never exclusive can't change my argument dude got to stay in line.

Oh sure i can i own an xbox 360..lol

See this is the whole argument the game is not xbox one exclusive is also on xbox 360.

Can the 3ds ran COD modern warfare,same lighting,levels,assets.? yet is bague under the same multiplatform category,can the xbox 360 or PS3 run Crysis 3 with the same win simulation,particle effects,graphics,AA like a PC.?

By your lining every single multiplatform is PC exclusive as the console version can't run like PC..

So i should move to the master race and dish my PS4...

It's still likely to be the same game, unless all the maps/tracks and car content are different. Even if it's on a different engine, if all those things are structurally the same it's still the same game. If they completely re-arranged all the rules and career progressions, or the games actually had nothing to do with each other (i.e if it was the same world, but the layout was ENTIRELY different), then it would be a different game.

However I consider that all to be irrelevant. I consider these games exclusive anyway because it is a MS owned property and only on the two MS systems. Just like LittleBigPlanet 3 is an exclusive even if it is functionally the same on both consoles.

Your argument reminds me of all the lems who used to say that MLB the Show wasn't exclusive, even back when the PSP/PS2 versions were ENTIRELY different from far superior PS3 version. Clearly The Show is and always has been exclusive, and so is Forza.

Is that something Rare is working on ?

The frame average 42FPS on a resolution much higher than 720p...In some stages it actually run mostly at 60FPS in 1080p which is 1440x1080p upscale.

Forza 4 has no dynamic weather or day to night because of the performance hit it would have dude,it was solid at 60FPS but mirror reflections were 30FPS already sacrifices were made so that the game could run that way.

They put it on Forza horizon which has another engine which is open world with less details on the cars.

Again GT6 did it an at 1440x1080p much higher resolution than 1280x720p..

1,555,200 pixels. 1440x1080p weather +Day to night changes 40FPS average 60 FPS in some stages.

921,600 pixels. 1280x720p No weather no day to night changes 60FPS in all stages.

In the run up to the launch I spoke with Dan Greenawalt, Lead Game Developer at Turn 10, who told me that this focus on ensuring a high frame rate was the reason Forza 4 doesn't feature dynamic weather or races that transition from day to night. The team made the right decision; it's this sort of attention to getting the fundamentals spot-on that shines through the game.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2011/10/forza-motorsport-4-review-the-king-is-dead-long-live-the-king/

I don't even know why you try butthurt fanboy it doesn't have it because of frames ben king period..

But the engine determines the physics of the game, not just the graphics. If the physics are more advanced and the handling is affected does that not count as a difference? The physics are the single most important aspect of a driving game. There's more to it than right trigger = accelerator, left trigger = brake. Also I'm continuing to see people downplay (or in your case, ignore) the Drivatars. This was a drastic change on the between FM4 and FM5. I can't stress that enough. The affect it had on how the game is played was huge. Not having Drivatars will absolutely change the game. Not to mention the weather.

If this were a shooter or a fighter and the next gen version had this many elements that affect the gameplay we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

It's not damage control because you've so far struggled to add any meat to your arguments.

The feature has nothing to do with whether your console is online or whether you chose to go into an online mode before you begin.

If you're in an open-world game which is made up of single player and multiplayer in a shared world, it's a decent feature to have.

Okay, so none of that stuff matters? So how is GT5 and 6 different games? The name? What difference does it make which version you pick up?

Cars are mostly the same. Tracks are the same, Ai is the same. Physics are less different than they will be between Forza Horizon 2 on the Xbox 360 and Xbox 1. Graphics are the same. Same theme, same aims, same purpose.

See you've dismissed all the things that define a racing game, so basically all GT games are the same on the PS3 and all the Forza games are the same on the Xbox 360.

Most Fifas are the same games with updates to the roster.

I don't see the relation to what the lems said about MLB and what I said. Firstly I'm on the otherside of that coin aren't I? Where the cows would have been arguing that they are different. Secondly, I wasn't involved in that, this is news to me. However being a sports game MLB is going to struggle to match your own criteria of an exclusive because it has the same settings and teams, just like Forza Horizon 2 will have the same setting and cars, it's a bit hard not to. It's not like a Batman game where they're both set in Gothem City but one is on the streets and the other is at the Asylum. They have chosen a part of the world as a setting and the cars that will be in that, how do you escape that?

The things is, I don't mind too much if it's exclusive like that or not, but all the arguments I've heard against it being exclusive seem to be for the convenience of fanboy reasons, rather than an objective look at it, I'm trying to make the case for the possibility, but it's not really much of a discussion. All the evidence points to them being different, from what the developers have said in plain english to the fact that they're on two platforms of different tech and with three different developers making them (Turn 10/Playground Games for the X1 and Sumo Digital for the X360).

The only arguments I've heard against it are essentially 'lalala I'm not listening', apart from yours, but that's the point, I'm saying, look, there are differences, the developers have implied heavy differences in the language they use and let's see how far those differences go, because it's still early days and already they're calling it different. I don't give that much of a **** if it is actually exclusive, I don't get funny feelings in my pants about that like the cows, but I think it's worth the discussion given the wording they've used.

I agree with you that it is exclusive, although it remains to be seen just how different it is. I was just stating whether the 360 version was 95% identical - or completely unrelated other than name, it's still an exclusive game. In my mind, it's silly to discount these 1st party games as "exclusive", even if they put them on 2 of their own platforms. ANYTHING that is 1st party published is automatically exclusive IMO. Only if there is a PC version does it become slightly questionable - or if the 3rd party owns the IP and brings it out later, obviously then the exclusivity goes away.

I was just giving the example of the MLB game to show how stupid "fanboy" arguments can be to try and discount a game from one platform or another. In that extreme case, practically the only thing the PS3 version shared with the PSP/PS2 versions was the MLB license...and there were still people trying to say it wasn't exclusive.

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite -- same setting with the same content and cars. The gameplay will also be remarkably similar, so I believe the biggest differences will come down to AI and aesthetics which do not warrant exclusivity. If the Xbox 360 version handles differently to a considerable degree, missing a lot of content, and holds a very different setting with respect to its handling of AI, multiplayer, and physics... then maybe the argument can be made, but I'm hardpressed to see strong viable arguments for exclusivity.

1st off, for me personally, I would call this game an exclusive no matter if it's 95% identical, or it's not even related other than name. Either way, it's still MS exclusive.

However if someone wants to draw the line at "substantially different game" to count it as an exclusive, it remains to be seen how different it is. As someone else pointed out, if it was only about phsyics, handling, textures, etc... then EVERY multiplat would be exclusive to PC - because only PC can run the games at the maximum settings (and possibly even improve these settings with HD texture packs, mods, etc).

Obviously the XB1 should have an across the board improvement to it's graphics, physics, etc. But what if the map and track layout is IDENTICAL, the textures are the same textures but at higher resolutions, the cars are the same models but with more advanced polygons/details. I would say that's the same game - but with differences in quality. To be a different game, it must have all different layout built from the ground up, different career mode, etc... not just the same assets and design ported over to a lower graphics engine. But like I said, I give leeway for 1st party IP's to be exclusives under any circumstance. So it really doesn't matter to me.

That's kind of what I've been getting at.

Also the physics difference between Forza 4 and 5 is night and day, it's almost completely different. First time I played FM5, I put it on the same settings as I had FM4 and I couldn't even drive, the car was all over the place. FM5 is conclusive proof of just how limited the drving was in previous FM games.

Drivatars are much more fun, they provide a real challenge, one of the biggest criticisms of GT5 and 6 is the straight line drone like ai according to insidesimracing.

Nope.

@Stevo_the_gamer:

Actually, I feel quite the opposite since The One version best be head & shoulders over the 360 version in all those departments. It's in MS's best interest to show a major difference between the two versions since failing to do so would only enforce the feeling of fans of the game & console to say, why Jump Ahead? Eh, we'll see but if the two are that similar I think MS fails to deliver and The One losses any steam it may have had to that point and bringing the game to 360 is a major backfire.

They had better be careful. they've already made their share of mistakes this early into this gen. :P

It is damage control period.

You don't need to launch launch a shuttle into space every time you want to play online on xbox 360,it was pretty easy already,your whole seamless crap is a joke which has nothing to do with the actual game been the same,the PS3 didn't have party chat i guess that make all cl of duty exclusive on xbox 360.

In the same way how Forza 4 and Forza 5 are different games,hell Forza 5 has less cars and tracks than Forza 4,real different game graphics..lol

Forza 3.5 and is the reason it scored 79% on gameraking even lower than GT6 when Forza has always been a 90+ series.

Is a multiplatform game move on..

These fan boys are arguing like children. It's hilarious lol

You've lost, you can't argue your case with any merit. Feel free to come back when you can.

It's exclusive, deal with it.

According to you? We'll see what happens here in SW's..AWWWW YEAHHHHH. :D

I'm the only one that has put forward a valid argument. In return I have only heard the usual fanboy rhetoric.

@HalcyonScarlet:

From Steveo a Mod here-

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite -- same setting with the same content and cars. The gameplay will also be remarkably similar, so I believe the biggest differences will come down to AI and aesthetics which do not warrant exclusivity. If the Xbox 360 version handles differently to a considerable degree, missing a lot of content, and holds a very different setting with respect to its handling of AI, multiplayer, and physics... then maybe the argument can be made, but I'm hardpressed to see strong viable arguments for exclusivity.

AWWWW YEAHHHH :D

Why would him being a mod mean anything to me.

I believe I've put forward a decent enough case for it to be considered, which includes facts coming from the developer themselves and points with a realistic grounding which have yet to be argued against, only conveniently dismissed.

Try having your own opinion and making your own arguments, you might like it.

I do, it's on another platform it's not exclusive. :D

Can you convince me they are the same experience?

actually if there is a significant difference between the two versions in content and/or gameplay, then it would be considered an exclusive

but they will have DLC's just like the first Horizon and yet that's some sorta of microtransaction

Yup, the game is named the same on both platforms and both consist of racing. :D

Doesn't matter anyways. die hard cows will have plenty of ammo to argue and lems will be left on the defense for the entire gen over it. You just can't buy that kind of happiness.

Well if this is how cows argue their point in a discussion, I don't think anyone will be too worried.

Worried? Naw. More like on the defense trying to get a multiplat counted as an exclusive.

Guess cows could say MLB the Show, LBP3 and a host of other games are now exclusive.

AWWWWW FREAKING YEAHHH :-)

@HalcyonScarlet: Two things, it's always better to wait till release for actual differences to come out when it comes to situations like this. Far too often do I see people arguing about games (and exclusivity) they have never played.

Secondly, don't feed fakeboys.

Yeah, I see I'm not getting any sort of discussion here.

Uh huh, try harder.

Don't need to, that''s what SW's is for. :D

Uh huh, sure buddy.

Dont forget to Live, Learn and Love as SONY teaches us.

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@HalcyonScarlet:

From Steveo a Mod here-

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite -- same setting with the same content and cars. The gameplay will also be remarkably similar, so I believe the biggest differences will come down to AI and aesthetics which do not warrant exclusivity. If the Xbox 360 version handles differently to a considerable degree, missing a lot of content, and holds a very different setting with respect to its handling of AI, multiplayer, and physics... then maybe the argument can be made, but I'm hardpressed to see strong viable arguments for exclusivity.

AWWWW YEAHHHH :D

Why would him being a mod mean anything to me.

I believe I've put forward a decent enough case for it to be considered, which includes facts coming from the developer themselves and points with a realistic grounding which have yet to be argued against, only conveniently dismissed.

Try having your own opinion and making your own arguments, you might like it.

I do, it's on another platform it's not exclusive. :D

Can you convince me they are the same experience?

Yup, the game is named the same on both platforms and both consist of racing. :D

Doesn't matter anyways. die hard cows will have plenty of ammo to argue and lems will be left on the defense for the entire gen over it. You just can't buy that kind of happiness.

Well if this is how cows argue their point in a discussion, I don't think anyone will be too worried.

Worried? Naw. More like on the defense trying to get a multiplat counted as an exclusive.

Guess cows could say MLB the Show, LBP3 and a host of other games are now exclusive.

Uh huh, try harder.

Don't need to, that''s what SW's is for. :D

Uh huh, sure buddy.

Dont forget to Live, Learn and Love as SONY teaches us.

I did thanks... and went over to the PC lol.

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@HalcyonScarlet:

From Steveo a Mod here-

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite -- same setting with the same content and cars. The gameplay will also be remarkably similar, so I believe the biggest differences will come down to AI and aesthetics which do not warrant exclusivity. If the Xbox 360 version handles differently to a considerable degree, missing a lot of content, and holds a very different setting with respect to its handling of AI, multiplayer, and physics... then maybe the argument can be made, but I'm hardpressed to see strong viable arguments for exclusivity.

AWWWW YEAHHHH :D

Why would him being a mod mean anything to me.

I believe I've put forward a decent enough case for it to be considered, which includes facts coming from the developer themselves and points with a realistic grounding which have yet to be argued against, only conveniently dismissed.

Try having your own opinion and making your own arguments, you might like it.

I do, it's on another platform it's not exclusive. :D

Can you convince me they are the same experience?

Yup, the game is named the same on both platforms and both consist of racing. :D

Doesn't matter anyways. die hard cows will have plenty of ammo to argue and lems will be left on the defense for the entire gen over it. You just can't buy that kind of happiness.

Well if this is how cows argue their point in a discussion, I don't think anyone will be too worried.

Worried? Naw. More like on the defense trying to get a multiplat counted as an exclusive.

Guess cows could say MLB the Show, LBP3 and a host of other games are now exclusive.

Uh huh, try harder.

Don't need to, that''s what SW's is for. :D

Uh huh, sure buddy.

Dont forget to Live, Learn and Love as SONY teaches us.

I did thanks... and went over to the PC lol.

I did over 20 years ago. Still enjoy playing games on consoles though.

Funny how you completely ignored PGR4 which did it BEFORE GT6. I don't care what resolution it was done it. It was always possible on the XBox 360 is my point. Cry more troll.

Meantime TLOU has become console exclusive. lol!!

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@HalcyonScarlet:

From Steveo a Mod here-

Actually, I'd say it's the opposite -- same setting with the same content and cars. The gameplay will also be remarkably similar, so I believe the biggest differences will come down to AI and aesthetics which do not warrant exclusivity. If the Xbox 360 version handles differently to a considerable degree, missing a lot of content, and holds a very different setting with respect to its handling of AI, multiplayer, and physics... then maybe the argument can be made, but I'm hardpressed to see strong viable arguments for exclusivity.

AWWWW YEAHHHH :D

Why would him being a mod mean anything to me.

I believe I've put forward a decent enough case for it to be considered, which includes facts coming from the developer themselves and points with a realistic grounding which have yet to be argued against, only conveniently dismissed.

Try having your own opinion and making your own arguments, you might like it.

I do, it's on another platform it's not exclusive. :D

Can you convince me they are the same experience?

Yup, the game is named the same on both platforms and both consist of racing. :D

Doesn't matter anyways. die hard cows will have plenty of ammo to argue and lems will be left on the defense for the entire gen over it. You just can't buy that kind of happiness.

Well if this is how cows argue their point in a discussion, I don't think anyone will be too worried.

Worried? Naw. More like on the defense trying to get a multiplat counted as an exclusive.

Guess cows could say MLB the Show, LBP3 and a host of other games are now exclusive.

Uh huh, try harder.

Don't need to, that''s what SW's is for. :D

Uh huh, sure buddy.

Dont forget to Live, Learn and Love as SONY teaches us.

I did thanks... and went over to the PC lol.

I did over 20 years ago. Still enjoy playing games on consoles though.

Current gen is a bit shit though.

@HalcyonScarlet:

Naw, not to me. I've played over a dozen games on PS4 alone, still more to play.

Can you guys stop with quote train please, it destroys the mobile version of the site

Nope. It is multiplatform and there is no spinning this. Not that I care because the game won't sell shit either way just like the first Horizon or most Forzas. Just something to put on a list for SW.

@HalcyonScarlet:

Yet you continued to perpetuate the uneventful conversations from such.

could this turn into an eventful conversation?

@CrownKingArthur: Depends if my advice is followed or not.

With Heli68? I wasn't exactly putting the effort in. Didn't think that counted.

Who gives a crap if it's exclusive or not? All I know is Forza Horizon 2 looks amazing!