Edge: PS4 launch in Europe early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox

[QUOTE="cainetao11"][QUOTE="themajormayor"]Why release in US first? That place is garbage clyde46

[QUOTE="themajormayor"]Why release in US first? That place is garbage Drasonak

Funny. The article is bogus and the spec will most likely change several times before the systems get released. The source is probably one of Sony's 1st party developers and they don't even have a Durango devkit. lol!! Until we get the final specs from Sony and Microsoft themselves, take this info with a grain of salt. blackace

Incoming $499 price point.

Zophar87

Funny. The article is bogus and the spec will most likely change several times before the systems get released. The source is probably one of Sony's 1st party developers and they don't even have a Durango devkit. lol!! Until we get the final specs from Sony and Microsoft themselves, take this info with a grain of salt. blackace

Old.ninjapirate2000

I expected as much from Sony (EU delay). Ill be getting the new Xbox this year as Microsoft can actually do a worldwide launch, and then the PS4 next.

RR360DD

Don't hold your breath.  I wouldn't be surprised if only NA got the new xbox this year, with Europe and Japan following early next year.

[QUOTE="Drasonak"][QUOTE="clyde46"] Rather be German than American.themajormayor

Teaching evolution in schools isn't banned in any state. Any Board of Education that tries to hinder the teaching of it in any way (usually in the southern states) usually does not get reelected for the next term. But please tell me where we can't discuss evolution in the classroom instead of pulling bull**** you read from other members on here out your ass.

Abortion has been legal in all 50 states since 1973.

Gay marriage is legal in nine states, and civil unions are available in many more. Three states legalized it just last year, so it's obviously going to become much bigger by the end of the decade. The liberal bastion that is Sweden didn't even legalize it until 2009, and there many Western European countries, like Italy, that still have it banned. How far behind do you really think we are? Plus, America is a very religious country, which is why we have done so much (because we faith in God and he returns the favor). Gay marriage isn't necessarily a good thing.

all the people want is pretty graphics.

Durango :lol:

DrTrafalgarLaw

Exactly! Teh Cell is even more powerful this gen! Next-box is like Krillin meets Yamcha.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Drasonak"] Because you're an edgy teenager who thinks he's cool for saying that. You know Germany is huge on censorship, right? Holocaust denial sites are banned, violent games like Dead Space are banned, Nazi propaganda videos are banned (Because **** history, right? Let's just pretend it never happened), etc. No freeze peach for you, sorry. Oh, and they're prime minister, Angela Merkel is a ****ing racist. "Multiculturalism has utterly failed." She says that as if these people are supposed to change over night. It takes a generation or two, just as it did when America started getting different ethnic groups from Europe and other places. How can she not realize this? Because she hates foreign brown people, that's why.Drasonak

Teaching evolution in schools isn't banned in any state. Any Board of Education that tries to hinder the teaching of it in any way (usually in the southern states) usually does not get reelected for the next term. But please tell me where we can't discuss evolution in the classroom instead of pulling bull**** you read from other members on here out your ass.

Abortion has been legal in all 50 states since 1973.

Gay marriage is legal in nine states, and civil unions are available in many more. Three states legalized it just last year, so it's obviously going to become much bigger by the end of the decade. The liberal bastion that is Sweden didn't even legalize it until 2009, and there many Western European countries, like Italy, that still have it banned. How far behind do you really think we are? Plus, America is a very religious country, which is why we have done so much (because we faith in God and he returns the favor). Gay marriage isn't necessarily a good thing.

Sweden is one of the least liberal countries od Europe. and just a garbage country in general. Gay marriage is not worse than straight marriage

Why is the EU getting it last again!?clyde46

Because your stupid enough to use different power requirements :P

Oh and Sweden WAS not liberal for a long time. But it's better now due to a liberal government the last 7 years.

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

Kingpin0114

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

Well just saying, but if it isn't releasing in the UK till next year, they've lost my sale. It's 2013, it was understandable 10-20 years ago when the gaming industry was much smaller, but in this day and age there is no excuse for making certain country's have to wait months after everyone else to get the latest system, world wide releases should be mandatory by this point. The same thing will apply to Microsoft too.spike6958

Enjoy your WiiU then unless you are going PC only.

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

dream431ca

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

Seems like Sony wants the PS4 future proof.

Funny cos an "Insider" from Sony apparently said they are not trying to beat the Xbox on raw power. Yet here this says it's more powerful. So many conflicting stories. 

seanmcloughlin

How did this thread go from PS4 discussion to religion?

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

dream431ca

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

DerekLoffin

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

Only Kinect 2.0 will be be OS heavy. $80 Xbox Live fees incoming...

[QUOTE="dream431ca"]

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

If Sony really does put 8 gigs of GDDR5 in the PS4 then all I can say is WOW!! I thought 4 gigs was great but 8? That would be insanely good.

Blazerdt47

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

Seems like Sony wants the PS4 future proof.

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="dream431ca"]

8 Gigs of GDDR5 seems like overkill. 4 Gigs is quite enough. Even my PC and my SLI 580s, I have 4 Gigs of GDDR5. 

StrongBlackVine

Only Kinect 2.0 will be be OS heavy. $80 Xbox Live fees incoming...

Oh look, Europe release way after JP/US.... what a surprise... Sheesh.

so they are ditching teh cell for a 1ghz AMD cpu?

so bye bye backwards compatibility?

I don't get it where's the advantage to sony in the specs? Apparently we don't even know 720s GPU and both CPUS are the same. While the RAM differences haven't been finalised yet? walkingdream

No idea myself neither. I'm guessing it's just going on from what some developers seem to say? (The original source mentions something like that?)

I don't get it where's the advantage to sony in the specs? Apparently we don't even know 720s GPU and both CPUS are the same. While the RAM differences haven't been finalised yet? walkingdream

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I don't get it where's the advantage to sony in the specs? Apparently we don't even know 720s GPU and both CPUS are the same. While the RAM differences haven't been finalised yet? ReadingRainbow4

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I don't get it where's the advantage to sony in the specs? Apparently we don't even know 720s GPU and both CPUS are the same. While the RAM differences haven't been finalised yet? _Matt_

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"]I don't get it where's the advantage to sony in the specs? Apparently we don't even know 720s GPU and both CPUS are the same. While the RAM differences haven't been finalised yet? _Matt_

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

I can't comment on much more other than this thing is going to be using ram that's higher end than most PC's.

I personally have 6gb ddr3. But you also have to consider that PC games are not made in the same way as console exclusives, which are built around predetermined hardware. This could lead to some exciting things in the exclusives department potentially.

Multiplats, I'm honestly not sure how much of an improvement, if any at all we see unless sony starts paying devs again to make sure their version of the game is better.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

walkingdream

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

It's less about the size and more about the speed.

applications rarely use over 2gb. why sony wants to stick 8gb to compare with MS honestly has me puzzled.

Microsoft must have some bloated Kinect embodied interface is all I can think of.

The Power of The Cell Strikes Again!kuraimen

HOORAY! TEH POWER OF THE CELL!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

The ram ps4 will be using is extremely fast, thereby removing one of the biggest issue consoles face, bottlenecks between memory.

durango is using industry standard ddr3, which is slower.

ReadingRainbow4

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

I can't comment on much more other than this thing is going to be using ram that's higher end than most PC's.

I personally have 6gb ddr3. But you also have to consider that PC games are not made in the same way as console exclusives, which are built around predetermined hardware. This could lead to some exciting things in the exclusives department potentially.

Multiplats, I'm honestly not sure how much of an improvement, if any at all we see unless sony starts paying devs again to make sure their version of the game is better.

My point is less speed of the components themselves, but more can the components communicate with EACH OTHER fast enough that this RAM actually has any benefit being this fast? I mean if say the RAM was at 5GHz (I can't remember what speed it is meant to be), but the bridge had a narrow transfer rate, then that extra speed will be completely useless and unused.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

_Matt_

I can't comment on much more other than this thing is going to be using ram that's higher end than most PC's.

I personally have 6gb ddr3. But you also have to consider that PC games are not made in the same way as console exclusives, which are built around predetermined hardware. This could lead to some exciting things in the exclusives department potentially.

Multiplats, I'm honestly not sure how much of an improvement, if any at all we see unless sony starts paying devs again to make sure their version of the game is better.

My point is less speed of the components themselves, but more can the components communicate with EACH OTHER fast enough that this RAM actually has any benefit being this fast? I mean if say the RAM was at 5GHz (I can't remember what speed it is meant to be), but the bridge had a narrow transfer rate, then that extra speed will be completely useless and unused.

I'm sure sony thought of that, that seems like an oversight only nintendo would make.

details are still scarce but things are looking promising, we'll know for sure soon enough.

[QUOTE="_Matt_"]

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

I can't comment on much more other than this thing is going to be using ram that's higher end than most PC's.

I personally have 6gb ddr3. But you also have to consider that PC games are not made in the same way as console exclusives, which are built around predetermined hardware. This could lead to some exciting things in the exclusives department potentially.

Multiplats, I'm honestly not sure how much of an improvement, if any at all we see unless sony starts paying devs again to make sure their version of the game is better.

ReadingRainbow4

My point is less speed of the components themselves, but more can the components communicate with EACH OTHER fast enough that this RAM actually has any benefit being this fast? I mean if say the RAM was at 5GHz (I can't remember what speed it is meant to be), but the bridge had a narrow transfer rate, then that extra speed will be completely useless and unused.

I'm sure sony thought of that, that seems like an oversight only nintendo would make.

details are still scarce but things are looking promising, we'll know for sure soon enough.

Of course, I would hope so too, but you never know, there were many oversights made by all companies last gen hardware wise (e.g: split RAM PS3, rushed hardware 360, weak power wii).

I will agree though, it is looking promising, I am excited to hear more :)

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="_Matt_"]

Surely that's more of a dwindling return though? I mean DDR3 is plenty fast enough surely? Why would it need to be faster than that when something else will bottleneck instead, such as bridges between chips, or bridges between the stupidly fast RAM and the chip?

ReadingRainbow4

It's less about the size and more about the speed.

applications rarely use over 2gb. why sony wants to stick 8gb to compare with MS honestly has me puzzled.

Microsoft must have some bloated Kinect embodied interface is all I can think of.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"] I was gonna say i have 16gb of DDR3 In my PC and it seems more than fast enough to run things :P So long as the GPU and CPU are reasonably close the RAM won't matter all that much if you have enough of it ;)walkingdream

It's less about the size and more about the speed.

applications rarely use over 2gb. why sony wants to stick 8gb to compare with MS honestly has me puzzled.

Microsoft must have some bloated Kinect embodied interface is all I can think of.

Too Right. I think this coming gen will have the PS4 and NextBox neck and neck hardware wise, if rumours are true, boith machines will be pretty sweet and worth having if there are the games.

[QUOTE="walkingdream"][QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

It's less about the size and more about the speed.

applications rarely use over 2gb. why sony wants to stick 8gb to compare with MS honestly has me puzzled.

Microsoft must have some bloated Kinect embodied interface is all I can think of.

_Matt_

Too Right. I think this coming gen will have the PS4 and NextBox neck and neck hardware wise, if rumours are true, boith machines will be pretty sweet and worth having if there are the games.

well I mean comon guys this is system wars :P

xbox 720 could still be good, I'm only more excited for sony because they have the IP's I want and the devs.

It's all about the games afterall, but MS was supposed to be revealing some new stuff soon also. I just hope it's not kinect sesame street or some crap.