Edge: PS4 launch in Europe early 2014, US/JP 2013, more powerful than next Xbox

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#101 Posted by xhawk27 (7215 posts) -

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD. 

#102 Posted by Desmonic (13196 posts) -

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD. 

xhawk27
GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.
#103 Posted by Martin_G_N (1690 posts) -
[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="walkingdream"] I was gonna say i have 16gb of DDR3 In my PC and it seems more than fast enough to run things :P So long as the GPU and CPU are reasonably close the RAM won't matter all that much if you have enough of it ;)walkingdream

It's less about the size and more about the speed.

applications rarely use over 2gb. why sony wants to stick 8gb to compare with MS honestly has me puzzled.

Microsoft must have some bloated Kinect embodied interface is all I can think of.

probably :P I just think it's a bit overkill for people to count M$ out yet. I mean we don't even know the specs of Microsofts GPU! Which i think is probably much more important than the Ram for running graphics.

High end GPU's today have memory speeds of 170GB/s and up to around 400GB/s. It's a huge factor of how fast the GPU can work. So if the GPU has to work with 68GB/s in the nextbox, it will be slower than the PS4 at most games. It won't help having more RAM, that's for sure. The specs for the GPU in the next xbox has been released allready, and it's slower. 1.2Tflops AMD GPU with 32MB ES RAM for free AA, just like the X360. The PS4 has a 1.8Tflops AMD GPU.
#104 Posted by xhawk27 (7215 posts) -

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD. 

Desmonic

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs. 

#105 Posted by YearoftheSnake5 (7105 posts) -

Interesting, but power only goes so far. I'm more interested in seeing what games it will have. I skipped the PS3 entirely last gen, and quit the Xbox 360 about half way through. Sony's platform just didn't have games that interested me, or I tried them on a friend's system and found them to be disappointing.

#106 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13150 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD.

xhawk27

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs.

I'm sure sony gets a killer deal for buying in bulk.

most likely around $15 per gb.

#107 Posted by Desmonic (13196 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD. 

xhawk27

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs. 

That's why they will only have 4 GB of it. Like I said even with all those differences, they'll likely end up being even more similar this gen (performance wise) than the previous gen.
#108 Posted by xhawk27 (7215 posts) -

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.Desmonic

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs. 

That's why they will only have 4 GB of it. Like I said even with all those differences, they'll likely end up being even more similar this gen (performance wise) than the previous gen.

No doubt GDD5 ram is faster than GDD3 ram but the less you have of it means you can't have higer textures. So if PS4 only has 4gb and next Xbox has 8gb. 

#109 Posted by Desmonic (13196 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs. 

xhawk27

That's why they will only have 4 GB of it. Like I said even with all those differences, they'll likely end up being even more similar this gen (performance wise) than the previous gen.

No doubt GDD5 ram is faster than GDD3 ram but the less you have of it means you can't have higer textures. So if PS4 only has 4gb and next Xbox has 8gb. 

Again, using rumours as our source, technically they'll have more or less 3.5GB and 5GB respectively when you take off what both the OS's will use (like I said using rumours). So while the Nextbox still has more ram, the performance advantage of GDDR5 may or may not be enough to make up for it. So in the end, in all cases performance should (and likely will) be very, very similar (and for the devs this is awesome, they spend less money porting and more money making the game awesome).

#110 Posted by xhawk27 (7215 posts) -

I doubt Sony could afford to put in 8gb of DDR5 Ram. Also I think the Next Xbox is going to use 8gb DDR3 Ram, plus 2gb of DDR5 Video Ram. 

#111 Posted by Sir-I_exCalibur (752 posts) -
Looks like its been confirmed by inside sources, PS4 > 720!!!
#112 Posted by Desmonic (13196 posts) -

I doubt Sony could afford to put in 8gb of DDR5 Ram. Also I think the Next Xbox is going to use 8gb DDR3 Ram, plus 2gb of DDR5 Video Ram. 

xhawk27

10 GB of Ram is overkill dude :P Besides, most rumours (again, just rumours) I've seen didn't mention that extra 2GB... but we'll see. Until they actually announce the specs all bets are off basically. Even the PS4 might not be anything like what the rumours are claiming so...

#113 Posted by eboyishere (12681 posts) -

No way in hell will it be 8GB of DDR5.:?

**** is way to expensive. They might use DDR3 tho

#114 Posted by hoosier7 (3777 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

You do know that GDD5 ram is very expensive and also it's not yet support in Motherboards in PCs. 

xhawk27

That's why they will only have 4 GB of it. Like I said even with all those differences, they'll likely end up being even more similar this gen (performance wise) than the previous gen.

No doubt GDD5 ram is faster than GDD3 ram but the less you have of it means you can't have higer textures. So if PS4 only has 4gb and next Xbox has 8gb. 

Surely it wouldn't matter on consoles running no higher than 1080p anyway? Kind of defeats the purpose of high res textures.
#115 Posted by Master_ShakeXXX (13361 posts) -

Incoming $499 price point.

Zophar87

I'll gladly pay it.

#116 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"] Remember, this is total memory, not just video memory. 8 gigs of video memory probably would be massive overkill, but 8 gigs of total memory is not that out of line, especially as it looks like they are going to be running memory heavy OSes.DerekLoffin

Only Kinect 2.0 will be be OS heavy. $80 Xbox Live fees incoming...

So is WiiU. They have 1 Gig reserved for the OS. The rumor so far place Sony's OS as 512 MB, which is still huge by the standards of this gen.

Sony will dedicate 1GB to the OS from I have read.

#117 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

[QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD.

Desmonic

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

Except Microsoft will be dedicated 5GB of slow RAM to games while PS4 dedicates 3GB of much faster RAM. Microsoft will have a bloated OS.

#118 Posted by RR360DD (11538 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD.

StrongBlackVine

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

Except Microsoft will be dedicated 5GB of slow RAM to games while PS4 dedicates 3GB of much faster RAM. Microsoft will have a bloated OS.

Based on a stupid rumour. Look at what microsoft has achieved with the 360, its OS footprint is far smaller than the PS3s. Microsoft is just better at software, so what exactly makes you think they will have a bloated OS
#119 Posted by finalstar2007 (24899 posts) -

This could be my second midnight launch that i go to.. im very excited for the next console and will be purchasing day 1 as long as $350 or less

#120 Posted by Tessellation (8796 posts) -

- insider information - insider claims the console is more powerful without proof to back it up (only on paper and rumors )

- insider claims that xbox GPU is from unknown source,when is been known for long time that AMD has been developing the GPU.

- insider claims that Durango devkits offer 8GB of RAM when its well known fact that devkits pack double the amount of ram and there is durango kits with 16GB of ram

- insider is just another moron fanboy. Edge should feel bad for using clueless idiots as sources.

#121 Posted by Tessellation (8796 posts) -

[QUOTE="Desmonic"][QUOTE="xhawk27"]

More powerful even if they use the Same Video GPU from AMD.

StrongBlackVine

GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.

Except Microsoft will be dedicated 5GB of slow RAM to games while PS4 dedicates 3GB of much faster RAM. Microsoft will have a bloated OS.

And yet any of us knows how those 5GB of ram work.

#122 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="Drasonak"] Because you're an edgy teenager who thinks he's cool for saying that. You know Germany is huge on censorship, right? Holocaust denial sites are banned, violent games like Dead Space are banned, Nazi propaganda videos are banned (Because **** history, right? Let's just pretend it never happened), etc. No freeze peach for you, sorry. Oh, and they're prime minister, Angela Merkel is a ****ing racist. "Multiculturalism has utterly failed." She says that as if these people are supposed to change over night. It takes a generation or two, just as it did when America started getting different ethnic groups from Europe and other places. How can she not realize this? Because she hates foreign brown people, that's why.Drasonak

I think stuff like gay marriage, abortion, evolution even being a discussion is worse than banning Nazi stuff :?. And if it's such a free country how come even curse words are censored? And even worse boobs.

You just proved you have no idea what you're talking about. :lol: I bet you also think the Higgs Boson is exclusively a European achievement? Just because you "heard" that it's like that, doesn't mean it's true.

Teaching evolution in schools isn't banned in any state. Any Board of Education that tries to hinder the teaching of it in any way (usually in the southern states) usually does not get reelected for the next term. But please tell me where we can't discuss evolution in the classroom instead of pulling bull**** you read from other members on here out your ass.

Abortion has been legal in all 50 states since 1973.

Gay marriage is legal in nine states, and civil unions are available in many more. Three states legalized it just last year, so it's obviously going to become much bigger by the end of the decade. The liberal bastion that is Sweden didn't even legalize it until 2009, and there many Western European countries, like Italy, that still have it banned. How far behind do you really think we are? Plus, America is a very religious country, which is why we have done so much (because we faith in God and he returns the favor). Gay marriage isn't necessarily a good thing.

Gay marriage isn't necesairly a good thing? tell that to the men that don't like va jay jay's.
#123 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
[QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

[QUOTE="Desmonic"] GDDR5 ram is better for games but the sheer amount of DDR3 memory on MS's machine (4 GBvs 8GB) might be more than enough to counter it. Expect them to be more even than this gen though.Tessellation

Except Microsoft will be dedicated 5GB of slow RAM to games while PS4 dedicates 3GB of much faster RAM. Microsoft will have a bloated OS.

And yet known of us knows how those 5GB of ram work.

it could be on a quad channel controller, and bee fast enough. If it's one thing I've learned M$ is willing to go the distance to make more balanced hardware than sony is. PS3 was an atrocity, all those big numbers, were all just theoretical.
#124 Posted by ultraking (6904 posts) -
I thought for sure the new consoles wouldn't launch until early 2015. Missed the mark on that one big time lol.. I need to get in on those SW bets
#125 Posted by Primordialous (1276 posts) -

- insider information - insider claims the console is more powerful without proof to back it up (only on paper and rumors )

- insider claims that xbox GPU is from unknown source,when is been known for long time that AMD has been developing the GPU.

- insider claims that Durango devkits offer 8GB of RAM when its well known fact that devkits pack double the amount of ram and there is durango kits with 16GB of ram

- insider is just another moron fanboy. Edge should feel bad for using clueless idiots as sources.

Tessellation

this x10

#126 Posted by caseypayne69 (5386 posts) -
Why do Americans insult Europe? They are Europeans ffs, they've just moved to a new continent.BigBoss255
Not all. I'm American. From Kentucky. If I were to move to Europe it would be the United Kingdom or Germany.
#127 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

A PS4 with 8GB of DDR5 oh my! :shock:

#128 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -
I thought for sure the new consoles wouldn't launch until early 2015. Missed the mark on that one big time lol.. I need to get in on those SW betsultraking
You really think Sony and M$ would give Nintendo a 2 year head start? Although they are not in direct competition with Wii U but still. Also Vita came out last year. Sony released PS3 one year after PSP came out so I expected no different for Vita and PS4.
#129 Posted by -Renegade (8340 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

- insider information - insider claims the console is more powerful without proof to back it up (only on paper and rumors )

- insider claims that xbox GPU is from unknown source,when is been known for long time that AMD has been developing the GPU.

- insider claims that Durango devkits offer 8GB of RAM when its well known fact that devkits pack double the amount of ram and there is durango kits with 16GB of ram

- insider is just another moron fanboy. Edge should feel bad for using clueless idiots as sources.

Primordialous

this x10

PS3 is more powerful then Xbox 360 what makes you think PS4 won't be the same?
#130 Posted by Tessellation (8796 posts) -

A PS4 with 8GB of DDR5 oh my! :shock:

-Renegade
first go find a mobo that supports 8GB of GDDR5 first :lol: because they don't exist :cool:
#131 Posted by humpmasterflex (355 posts) -

Maybe this time we will actually get 4d graphics that the ps3 was said to deliver but failed miserably in doing so

#132 Posted by mariokart64fan (19360 posts) -

sony expensive fail station continuation 

#133 Posted by killzowned24 (7298 posts) -

Another major games site publishing rumors that PS4 will be best is making lemmings and sheep cry. :lol:

 

#134 Posted by Blazerdt47 (5661 posts) -

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Only Kinect 2.0 will be be OS heavy. $80 Xbox Live fees incoming...

StrongBlackVine

So is WiiU. They have 1 Gig reserved for the OS. The rumor so far place Sony's OS as 512 MB, which is still huge by the standards of this gen.

 

Sony will dedicate 1GB to the OS from I have read.

512MB RAM for PS4's OS, 4GB for 720's OS.

#135 Posted by Peredith (2305 posts) -

8gb of RAM? PC games only use 1.5gb max.

#136 Posted by NoodleFighter (6964 posts) -

Funny cos an "Insider" from Sony apparently said they are not trying to beat the Xbox on raw power. Yet here this says it's more powerful. So many conflicting stories. 

seanmcloughlin

plus they claim those specs off a "leaked" rumor

#137 Posted by killzowned24 (7298 posts) -

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Funny cos an "Insider" from Sony apparently said they are not trying to beat the Xbox on raw power. Yet here this says it's more powerful. So many conflicting stories. 

NoodleFighter

plus they claim those specs off a "leaked" rumor

''We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate.''
#138 Posted by super600 (30162 posts) -

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Funny cos an "Insider" from Sony apparently said they are not trying to beat the Xbox on raw power. Yet here this says it's more powerful. So many conflicting stories. 

killzowned24

plus they claim those specs off a "leaked" rumor

''We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate.''

They could be making this up for all we know and lying about it.

#139 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13150 posts) -

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

plus they claim those specs off a "leaked" rumor

super600

''We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate.''

They could be making this up for all we know and lying about it.

edge has a history of honesty.

This isn't game informer. It's more than likely what's been said has been correct.

#140 Posted by super600 (30162 posts) -

[QUOTE="super600"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] ''We have confirmed with sources that recently leaked tech specs are accurate.''ReadingRainbow4

They could be making this up for all we know and lying about it.

edge has a history of honesty.

This isn't game informer. It's more than likely what's been said has been correct.

I read an article that talked about how a lot of the leaks that are claimed to be true are actually false.

#141 Posted by dramaybaz (6020 posts) -

I will never need to buy another console again :oops:

KillzoneSnake
I feel the same, since I have had my PC for a few years.
#143 Posted by Addict187 (621 posts) -

Incoming $499 price point.

Zophar87
That is still cheep, and i will pay it with a smile
#144 Posted by SonySoldier-_- (714 posts) -


Durango :lol:

DrTrafalgarLaw

When I see the word "Durango" it makes me think of something that dangles or dingles.. Like a dingleberry.

#145 Posted by tormentos (16820 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="StrongBlackVine"]

Except Microsoft will be dedicated 5GB of slow RAM to games while PS4 dedicates 3GB of much faster RAM. Microsoft will have a bloated OS.

savagetwinkie
And yet known of us knows how those 5GB of ram work.

it could be on a quad channel controller, and bee fast enough. If it's one thing I've learned M$ is willing to go the distance to make more balanced hardware than sony is. PS3 was an atrocity, all those big numbers, were all just theoretical.

What a joke..lol
#146 Posted by tormentos (16820 posts) -

- insider information - insider claims the console is more powerful without proof to back it up (only on paper and rumors )

- insider claims that xbox GPU is from unknown source,when is been known for long time that AMD has been developing the GPU.

- insider claims that Durango devkits offer 8GB of RAM when its well known fact that devkits pack double the amount of ram and there is durango kits with 16GB of ram

- insider is just another moron fanboy. Edge should feel bad for using clueless idiots as sources.

Tessellation
Hahahaha.. So much damage control on this post.. All sources point to the same...
#147 Posted by Martin_G_N (1690 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Renegade"]

A PS4 with 8GB of DDR5 oh my! :shock:

Tessellation

first go find a mobo that supports 8GB of GDDR5 first :lol: because they don't exist :cool:

You do know that motherboards in consoles are custom...right?? Consoles can have the same high bandwidth speeds through out the system, which is something Sony usually priorities.

#148 Posted by tormentos (16820 posts) -

[QUOTE="Tessellation"][QUOTE="-Renegade"]

A PS4 with 8GB of DDR5 oh my! :shock:

Martin_G_N

first go find a mobo that supports 8GB of GDDR5 first :lol: because they don't exist :cool:

You do know that motherboards in consoles are custom...right?? Consoles can have the same high bandwidth speeds through out the system, which is something Sony usually priorities.

Tesselation is having a meltdown..so épic.
#149 Posted by Tessellation (8796 posts) -
[QUOTE="Tessellation"]

- insider information - insider claims the console is more powerful without proof to back it up (only on paper and rumors )

- insider claims that xbox GPU is from unknown source,when is been known for long time that AMD has been developing the GPU.

- insider claims that Durango devkits offer 8GB of RAM when its well known fact that devkits pack double the amount of ram and there is durango kits with 16GB of ram

- insider is just another moron fanboy. Edge should feel bad for using clueless idiots as sources.

tormentos
Hahahaha.. So much damage control on this post.. All sources point to the same...

look how my comments make you butthurt.. :cool:
#150 Posted by Tessellation (8796 posts) -
[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"]

[QUOTE="Tessellation"] first go find a mobo that supports 8GB of GDDR5 first :lol: because they don't exist :cool: tormentos

You do know that motherboards in consoles are custom...right?? Consoles can have the same high bandwidth speeds through out the system, which is something Sony usually priorities.

Tesselation is having a meltdown..so épic.

so epic how i get under your skin :lol :cool: