Cyberpunk 2077 is near the release day and what better way to get all hype now! GS Reviews gives it 7/10!

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#451 EZs
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@hardwenzen said:

Because of this review, i learned that one of the negatives in a pokemon game she reviewed was "too much water". GS is trying real hard to compete with IGN/Polygon/Kotaku.

I posted the quartering video in the comments section of the review. INSTANTLY removed 😁

LOL you evil.

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#452 EZs
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@ivangrozny said:
@xantufrog said:

@ivangrozny: how could any users give it a meaningful rating this soon?

Well the better question is how so many people have nothing better to do than starting a hate campaign on a female reviewer who underscored their uber-hyped game without having played the game themselves ? Mysteries of the universe I guess.

This reminds me the hate campaign for Carolyn Petit and her review of GTAV. Despite some valid criticism, she still gave the game a 9. But that wasn't enough for some, as IGN gave it a 10. The exactly same accusations flew through the air: she didn't played the game, she's just woke and can't appreciate the satire, etc, etc. And that was 2014. 6 years later, nothing changed. Internet can be such a cesspool of human misery.

IMO, there is difference here, the internet did not accuse Kallie for not playing the game. It was Kallie herself admit she did not touch the significant part of RPG aspects of the game.

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#453 NathanDrakeSwag
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GS has lost all credibility in my book. Not that they had much left anyway. How do you let the too much water person review such a huge title? They would've been better off letting Filip Miucin plagiarize an actual credible review of the game than let someone with an obvious agenda who hasn't even played the game slap a 7 on it just because she thinks CDPR is transphobic.

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#454 uninspiredcup
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@EZs: She says she didn't feel compelled to. Which is a sign of bad design.

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#455 NathanDrakeSwag
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Imagine doing a half assed job at work and telling your boss you didn't feel compelled to do part of your work. Most people would be fired or demoted. Only overpaid woke "journalists" paid to play a damn game for a living can be praised for it.

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#456  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Imagine doing a half assed job at work and telling your boss you didn't feel compelled to do part of your work.

The point of a review is to inform people. Telling them content is shit and not worth it, is informing people.

You may disagree with that viewpoint, but that is doing "the job".

Most people on this board, and the gaming community on a whole deride Ubisoft because their busy-work content is repetitive and simply not worth engaging with.

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@uninspiredcup said:

@EZs: She says she didn't feel compelled to. Which is a sign of bad design.

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I get the point, but not touching it because it's not compelling and then reviewing it... we have a problem here.

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#458  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@EZs said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@EZs: She says she didn't feel compelled to. Which is a sign of bad design.

I get the point, but not touching it because it's not compelling and then reviewing it... we have a problem here.

If it's not compelling in the first place, that's a problem. More so if it's the core game.

The people initially reacting to this played 0 hours. And it really isn't concern about her skills are a reviewer as it is the number itself attributed to the game, fanboys wanting confirmation bias and little else. With the likes of the Quartering exploiting that primal reaction for monetary purposes, as no doubt Gamespot itself is enjoying right now.

As stated though, I disregard her review. But not because of that. Very clear political motivation behind, a pattern with her reviews.

Which itself is arguably valid, but to me, tripe from someone who most likely spends their days getting gratification from hanging around Resetera goobers and a cabal of far left-leaning journalists more interested in solving the worlds problems for us than "is this game good".

The criticism here I think is bullshit and "The Quartering" a giant incel appealing tampon. If the internet could get cancer, he'd be it.

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#459  Edited By IvanGrozny
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@EZs said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@EZs: She says she didn't feel compelled to. Which is a sign of bad design.

I get the point, but not touching it because it's not compelling and then reviewing it... we have a problem here.

Yeah, I agree on Cup with this. First of all, you don't need to complete every sandbox copy pasted activity to form your opinion about the gameplay mechanics.

Plus, in her review, she actually says she didn't touch those mechanics because they didn't feel that essential for progress. So, in my book, it's on CD Project Red that they haven't balanced their game well enough to make those aspects essential. The Witcher 3 had the same problem: it had too much content, and you could easily max out your build half the game though and the rest of the game was just a walk in the park. That balance issue was a thing back then, and apparently it still is now. And that should be a point deducted. Quantity is not equal to quality. Witcher 3 had rich story, quests and lore, but the gameplay mechanics and rpgs elements were pretty bland and unbalanced even back then. That's a serious design flaw that CD Project must fix or get down scored for the lack of improvement.

Again, nitpicking, taking her words out of context, and just following the false narrative propagated by individuals that cater to the misogynistic gamersgate crowd is really not cool and gives us the gaming community a bad name and kinda attests to the claims for toxic masculinity in gaming from people like Anita Sarkeesian.

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@ivangrozny said:
@seba20007 said:

Wow 😳

Cyberpunk just hit 1 million concurrent players on launch day on steam and has over 1 million viewers live on Twitch. Just broke Steam Records for Single Player, Highest All Time Peak Ever.

Oh, and Steam metacritic is 73 for the game, which basically matches the GS score.

Its not reflective of the quality of the game as the vast majority haven't played much to determine the quality.

Its technical problems that led to lower averages on Steam, and once its patched the score will rise.

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@ivangrozny said:
@EZs said:
@uninspiredcup said:

@EZs: She says she didn't feel compelled to. Which is a sign of bad design.

I get the point, but not touching it because it's not compelling and then reviewing it... we have a problem here.

Yeah, I agree on Cup with this. First of all, you don't need to complete every sandbox copy pasted activity to form your opinion about the gameplay mechanics.

Plus, in her review, she actually says she didn't touch those mechanics because they didn't feel that essential for progress. So, in my book, it's on CD Project Red that they haven't balanced their game well enough to make those aspects essential. The Witcher 3 had the same problem: it had too much content, and you could easily max out your build half the game though and the rest of the game was just a walk in the park. That balance issue was a thing back then, and apparently it still is now. And that should be a point deducted. Quantity is not equal to quality. Witcher 3 had rich story, quests and lore, but the gameplay mechanics and rpgs elements were pretty bland and unbalanced even back then. That's a serious design flaw that CD Project must fix or get down scored for the lack of improvement.

Again, nitpicking, taking her words out of context, and just following the false narrative propagated by individuals that cater to the misogynistic gamersgate crowd is really not cool and gives us the gaming community a bad name and kinda attests to the claims for toxic masculinity in gaming from people like Anita Sarkeesian.

But she is an outlier in saying this, nevermind that it seems the genre isn't for her.

And really, a review like this will damage her career and whats left of her reputation.

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#462  Edited By deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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Been playing since the unlock. Going as the street kid. This game is balls to the wall amazing. Everything looks and runs so well, and I'm on the One X right now until I can score a Serious X.

This playthrough I'm doing a weapons specialist with a touch of hacking build. First time is on normal, and the gunfights so far have been easy, even in heavily fortified gang areas.

I've experienced a few glitches here and there, but nothing game breaking or terribad as of yet. A chic was sitting at the bar with no thighs. A 'long sleeve cotton shirt' display wouldn't go away until I saved and reloaded. Two or three times the game froze up for about ten seconds, but not permanently.

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@briguyb13 said:

Been playing since the unlock. Going as the street kid. This game is balls to the wall amazing. Everything looks and runs so well, and I'm on the One X right now until I can score a Serious X.

This playthrough I'm doing a weapons specialist with a touch of hacking build. First time is on normal, and the gunfights so far have been easy, even in heavily fortified gang areas.

I've experienced a few glitches here and there, but nothing game breaking or terribad as of yet. A chic was sitting at the bar with no thighs. A 'long sleeve cotton shirt' display wouldn't go away until I saved and reloaded. Two or three times the game froze up for about ten seconds, but not permanently.

Playing it on PS4 (not pro) and its pretty rough but that doesn't bother me. I've had one bug so far (only put about two hours into it) but I didn't update my ps4 so I updated it and decided to just restart from Nomad to Corpo so I'm gonna see if that bug is still around after I get to the same point in the game.

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#464  Edited By Mozelleple112
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@fedor: I am basing my post on literally hundreds, or thousands of comments I have read for the last year that this game would be GOTY or even GOTD or that ND is lucky that Cyberpunk got delayed. I would get the hype if it was coming from ND, Kojima, Valve or Rockstar North, Nintendo EAD etc but all that hype from a company that's made one masterpiece in their entire existence. Ehh.

I just find that hilarious. Not happening boys. Looks like Persona 5 will be the highest rated (Still cannot believe an absolute horrible dweeb of a game is higher rated that The Last of US 2, or even GoT, but it is what is I guess...) , TLOU2 will be the most awarded and GoT the most liked of 2020.

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#465 deactivated-628e6669daebe
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Now this is a funny glitch feature

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#466  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Finally, I got around to playing the game, here's my intake on it as I have only 3 hours of playtime.

It's pretty slick so far. I was pissed from the start with the fact that I simply couldn't just customize my Keyboard how I want which is just poor design to still not allow this and this is maybe the first game that went so far as to not even allow me to change up and down arrow keys how I see fit but I eventually got it to work...for now. My other nitpick and I'm just being stubborn is riding with a dude at the start and the radio is blasting rap music...there is entire genre of music that is perfect for this but this radio station is playing freaking rap. luckily it wasn't like this on missions and I was able to eventually change it when I got to drive. Just so that we're clear, I'm cool with rap/hip-hop music, but it feels like 90% of the music is very contemporary and that takes me out of the setting a bit, it's more of a Cyberpunk aesthetic than a setting sometimes.

Also I feel like CDPR went full on in the immersion thing going first-person only. I have never complained about first-person FYI but considering they went that route, there's actually not a lot of immersive things to do if you go off the dusty trail. The world is fairly non interactive to me but not a game breaker mind you. I gotta get way more hours in though, it's not like I'm not having fun or anything like that but when it comes to stuff like this as far as immersive goes, RDR2 (Witcher 3 second) still tops it off for me, I don't think Cyberpunk will takeover RDR2 but i love to be proven wrong once I beat the game.

One last thing, playing it on PC in 1440p Medium/high settings, (no Ultra) with RT on/DLSS, I'm using:

  • RTX 2070 (overclocked)
  • Ryzen 2700X (overclocked)
  • Ram 16GB
  • NVME 2.0 1TB

So far, I'm getting mixed 50fps between but for the most parts, I'm staying stable but its definitely the new Crysis situation and it clearly shows I need to upgrade the GPU next year but for now, I'm just gonna ride with my 2070 throughout the game but will return to start another new game when I have an 3070 or 3060Ti.

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#467 xantufrog  Moderator
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@davillain-: what RT settings are you using, out of curiosity?

The game reaction is a bit of a letdown - a lack of immersive activity and it feeling more like a cyberpunk skin than setting really bug me. Those are the two things I wanted most from this.

Well - hopefully it strengthens with time and I get my copy today to dive in

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#468 Pedro
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Now it’s time to sit back and watch the opinions of the game transform.😅

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@xantufrog said:

@davillain-: what RT settings are you using, out of curiosity?

The game reaction is a bit of a letdown - a lack of immersive activity and it feeling more like a cyberpunk skin than setting really bug me. Those are the two things I wanted most from this.

Well - hopefully it strengthens with time and I get my copy today to dive in

I had it in RT on with: Reflection, Shadows, Lightning high with DLSS on but I left off both FidelityFX.

@Pedro said:

Now it’s time to sit back and watch the opinions of the game transform.😅

So far, the game isn't bad and lives up to my expectations. Was there anything else you wanted to know?

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#470  Edited By deactivated-628e6669daebe
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Kinda fascinating that while everyone was busy harassing a reviewer CDPR managed to keep console versions away from reviews. It now seems like base versions are really bad, running at low resolutions and frame rates are terrible.

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@ghost_of_phobos said:

Kinda fascinating that while everyone was busy harassing a reviewer CDPR managed to keep console versions away from reviews. It now seems like base versions are really bad, running at low resolutions and frame rates are terrible.

Agreed. Had the reviewers getting the console codes the scores would be lower and the comment sections on those reviews would be a bloodbath.

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#472 Pedro
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@davillain-: I know what to expect for this game thus the reason I am not interested but I hope it meets those who were anticipating it; within reason, expectations. 🙂 Thanks for the impressions though.👍

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#473  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@ghost_of_phobos: I saw that coming, especially once they released their (now seemingly overly optimistic) pc specs. The last gen consoles are in a different league from this game...

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@davillain-: Wait are you saying you can't remap the arrow keys? Or you can't change wasd movement to say qwes movement?

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@sakaixx said:
@ghost_of_phobos said:

Kinda fascinating that while everyone was busy harassing a reviewer CDPR managed to keep console versions away from reviews. It now seems like base versions are really bad, running at low resolutions and frame rates are terrible.

Agreed. Had the reviewers getting the console codes the scores would be lower and the comment sections on those reviews would be a bloodbath.

the writing was on the wall about the base console versions.

When they revealed the console gameplay a few weeks ago, they didn't show those base versions at all which was pretty worrying, and have hinted that the base console versions were the main source of their problems in getting the game out the door.

definitely feel a bit bad for those who pick it up for those platforms. hopefully they can further improve the game with patches

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#476  Edited By Macutchi
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amazon have emailed to say delivery will be delayed by 24-48 hours! 😲 cancel christmas, cancel EVERYTHING!!! 😠

edit: amazon order cancelled, copy bought from supermarket, christmas is back on! 🥳

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@Willy105: As for your comment on whether the reviewer would be an arbiter, I would argue a trans person is an appropriate arbiter of what is considered offensive to trans people, since the offense would be taken by them. If they have taken offense, then a reviewer commenting on those subjects would be fair to mention that those things. It's nothing new, much like how there where white allies during the civil rights movement, there are allies of trans communities now. And being an expert has never been necessary, you don't need to be an expert in Chinese culture to understand that the racist joke in the Monster Hunter movie that got it banned in China...was racist.

Is this reviewer trans?

I'm fairly severely chronically ill, and I can't tell you have many hurtful things have been expressed to me over the years stemming from ignorance of the kind-hearted who believe they are marching in my interests. Even if she were trans, it's no guarantee of anything. Being an ally or even a member of a certain group doesn't automatically absolve you of responsibility towards the cause for which you stand.

"The incorporation of different cultures and backgrounds is wildly inconsistent, from good to inaccurate to downright offensive".

What qualifies her to claim it's "wildly inconsistent"? The above is making a statement on collective cultural norms and backgrounds held in contrast to one another. In saying such, yes, she does need to be somewhat qualified above the layman's ability to recognize a racist joke.

And as you mentioned, the reviewer has indeed played more of the game than you, so even if you found their impressions to be presumptuous, it should be reasonable that you wouldn't be upset at the idea of those moral issues would affect someone's enjoyment of the game, because it did.

Sure, and she can be offended. Just don't presume that that's going to affect my enjoyment as if it's a blanket objective detriment of the work and mark it down for it. Different people find different things offense, and to differing degrees.

I do take issue with this statement of yours: "I would be unfair to the game (and to those I was reviewing it for) to let my subjectivity skew my final judgement." I would argue that is the entire point of a critic. The subjectivity is what a reviewer is paid to provide; otherwise a game review would indeed be a checkmark of game features...like a spec blurb for a microwave or a printer. There would be no benefit for reading a review if it is simply an extended back-of-the-game marketing copy.

A good reviewer is able to mitigate their own personal biases towards a subject while critiquing it. Movie reviewers don't go, "this movie sucks because the character is a whiny little child, and I disagree with their behavior and choices!". No, instead they say something like, "the character's behavior and choice are consistent/inconsistent with what's been previously established in their development to this point", or "the plot leaves something to be desired in pacing and its ignoring and dismissal of various plot holes".

See the difference? The former is imposing their own worldview in their criticism, whereas the latter is attempting to examine it on a basis on what it does and how well it does it while restraining them. Simply saying, "this is an offensive portrayal!" tells me absolutely nothing about the game, it tells me about the reviewer, and I'm not reading it for that reason. I care about their ability to critique the quality and execution of something while keeping their personal feelings about its content to themselves. A review is always subjective, but they should strive to keep themselves out of the picture as much as they are able.

All in all, I think your actual issue with all this is what you outlined in your 3rd paragraph. Other people got upset at something you wanted, which got you upset. You were offended, and you want to hate those hurt by the flaws of the game, because they pointed out a flaw of the game that you probably wanted to buy. Stereotypes were never good to poke fun at, but you probably grew up watching and consuming content (and living in an environment) where there was no one from the group those stereotypes made fun of to tell you that perhaps hey...that was not ok.

This is rife with incorrect assumptions.

2077 is a game that's been on my radar, but not one that I'm not all that invested in. I'm keeping my eye on it and will eventually pick it up in six months when all the kinks have been ironed out. Secondly, I didn't take offense, I felt dubious towards her critique given the line quoted and the current proclivity for journalists to use their trade as a platform to vent political grievance, furthered by the controversy that has surrounded CDPR as of late.

And no, stereotypes are immense fun to laugh at because they typically hold a semblance of truth to them......that's why they're stereotypes. We have to be able to laugh at each other, humor is healthy, it disarms, and the usage of it isn't indicative of underlying bigotry and hate. And contrary to your (again mistaken) belief, I grew up (just like many) surrounded by people who fit stereotypes. I was no exception to this, and was the target of laughter due to it as much as I was the giver of it.

People need to grow a thicker skin, understand the world doesn't revolve around them or owe them anything, and learn that they need to start taking responsibility for their own feelings and not come to the belief that the world has to cater to them. This doesn't mean I don't believe their shouldn't be anti-hate or harassment laws out there nor cease the advocation towards civil rights, just that this increasing moral crusade to take little one-offs, to search people's twitter five/ten years back to find the slightest hint of impropriety and then blow it up into a cancel culture mob mentality, including doxing and going after their livelihood and reputations, is beyond pathetic and needs to stop. People are often ignorant, they're often assholes, but unless they are making a concerted effort to attack someone, the responsibility for dealing with them should lay on the shoulders of individuals. It's a line to walk, but it needs to exist.

As the game industry grows in popularity and size, expanding to audiences that aren't just middle class males, you will see more people join the conversation and you will see stuff that you never saw anyone be upset over before suddenly have lots of critics. Those critics didn't come from no where, it just came from a perspective you never had access to before.

That doesn't make you evil or bad just because you didn't know about it before. Everybody learns something new they didn't know before. Instead of getting offended and upset by it, you can learn from it. You can still enjoy the game, but it's even better to know that the world is bigger than what the game provides for.

Well, at least you said "middle class males" instead of "straight, white, privileged males", although I'm unsure if you are making the distinction.

Please don't patronize to me in the mistaken assumption I've been unexposed to particular elements in life which is why I hold the view I do. I'm not sheltered nor naïve, and that's fairly nervy of you to act as if you are the enlightened and condescend to me. I understand people have varying perspectives, which is precisely why I'm arguing that reviewers should accord that consideration into their works in keeping their own out of it to material not pertinent to topic.

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#478  Edited By pixieValerie
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@mrbojangles25:

That poster they put in, tying pronouns to voice, as well the tweets they did in the past. I don't feel like people like me are being well represented, but I'll probably grab it down the line as it still looks fun. I'll no doubt create a cis female like I always do. I'd just hope my laptop can run it well.

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Looking back now, it seems this thread went from discussing CP2077 to an all-out CP2077 review because of a simple political that everyone needed to bring it here and when everyone should know by now a review is all about opinion and you have every right to disagree with but not attacking the actual reviewer. Huge difference. That said, I'm shutting this thread down cause its been derail so badly.

If anyone wants to start a fresh CP2077 thread, impression whatever, feel free to do so.