Conclusion of "What should Killzone 3 do to beat Halo Reach"

It has to average higher than a 91.89% on gamerankings? Considering everyones opinion here will vary I'd rather just go by gamerankings average to determine which game is better.

So reach has around a 92 average in scores, Killzone 3 definitely has a chance to get higher or the same, I don't see it scoring higher on GS though.FIipMode

So, we all know it won't outsell Reach lol. Mark that off the list. The metascore could really be interesting. Killzone 2 currently has a 91 and Reach has 92 on Metacritic. As for Gamespot, I think they'll give KZ3 a 9.5! Could be a 9.0 though.

Beyond that, what's left to compare? Everything else is subjective really.

[QUOTE="FIipMode"]So reach has around a 92 average in scores, Killzone 3 definitely has a chance to get higher or the same, I don't see it scoring higher on GS though.Episode_Eve

So, we all know it won't outsell Reach lol. Mark that off the list. The metascore could really be interesting. Killzone 2 currently has a 91 and Reach has 92 on Metacritic. As for Gamespot, I think they'll give KZ3 a 9.5! Could be a 9.0 though.

Beyond that, what's left to compare? Everything else is subjective really.

Nothing, and I'm not one to try and sway ones opinion or at least lately I haven't been in the mood to do so. :P

Killing Rico would be a good start.SpiritOfFire117

rico can't die

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.Vader993

rico can't die

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GET RELEASED....

kz3 has stiff competition,hopefully it will sell good

For 1= Not borrow stuff from halo. The genre itself is already over saturated with the copy cat syndrom. Someone needs to be the bigger man and cut it out.

2= Actually differentiate itself from a single player standpoint. Where as multiplayer had some brilliant ideas with Killzone 2 the single player could not have been more generic(well it could have been Resistance). It has some great animations, and the engine had some really kick ass atmosphere but the games campaign did nothing with it. That and the level design honestly never took advantage of the clever AI. The shooting mechanics in Killzone 2 are great(although some tightening up here and there wouldn't hurt), and the Helghast in general are fun to fight. just fix everything else about the campaign and you probably have something that can more than go toe to toe with Reach.

I doubt it can. There's just too much to compete with in Reach. Forge, Multiplayer, Firefight, Co-op, Campaign Scoring, Theater, Custom Games, etc, etc.

DarkLink77

Killing Rico would be a good start.SpiritOfFire117

Content doesn't necessarily= superior quality. jg4xchamp

Local Multiplayer (4-Player Split-screen versus, 2 player split-screen co-op, both off and online)

4-player Co-Op Firefight with Immense Customization

Large amounts of Gameplay Modes (Invasion, Infection, Stockpile)

Forge Mode or Similar

Theater Mode or Similar

Bungie.net Integration

siddhu33

Then add the fact that it's also 3D and uses The Move that can use a cool gun attachment.

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Local Multiplayer (4-Player Split-screen versus, 2 player split-screen co-op, both off and online)

4-player Co-Op Firefight with Immense Customization

Large amounts of Gameplay Modes (Invasion, Infection, Stockpile)

Forge Mode or Similar

Theater Mode or Similar

Bungie.net Integration

clr84651

Then add the fact that it's also 3D and uses The Move that can use a cool gun attachment.

you check your stats at your killzone .com

Should become multiplat :P

Joking, it should have a campaign where it doesnt feel like you missed out on so many oppertunities.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Content doesn't necessarily= superior quality. Stevo_the_gamer

Put the Halo label on it and say its the 5th installment. It'll be praised for being revolutionary and millions will buy it regardless.EXLINK

I doubt it can. There's just too much to compete with in Reach. Forge, Multiplayer, Firefight, Co-op, Campaign Scoring, Theater, Custom Games, etc, etc.

personally i prefer killzone 2 over any halo, i have yet to play reach but I doubt ill like it more then killzone 2. though reach has offline multiplayer which is something killzone 3 need.

What should Killzone 3 do to beat Halo Reach ?

Sell over 10 million copies. ;)

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I doubt it can. There's just too much to compete with in Reach. Forge, Multiplayer, Firefight, Co-op, Campaign Scoring, Theater, Custom Games, etc, etc.

Revolution_Ali

Killing Rico would be a good start.SpiritOfFire117

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

All it would take is being as good as Killzone 2.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.1Stark1

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.1Stark1

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

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It doesn't have to beat Halo Reach to be a good game

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

I doubt it can. There's just too much to compete with in Reach. Forge, Multiplayer, Firefight, Co-op, Campaign Scoring, Theater, Custom Games, etc, etc.

jg4xchamp

Well first off if your talking in terms of sales...nothing. Secondly I agree with you Bioshock has the best single-player FPS campaign this gen. Reach is still a better overall game slightly though. Now on topic if Killzone 3 wants to match Reach the devs will need to have a campaign with nice replay value reasonable in length (I'm thinking 9-10 hrs) that is of very good (not necessarily great) quality. They will need to implement a very diverse feature-packed almost flawless online and as the end result have an extremely polished game.

[QUOTE="1Stark1"]

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.jg4xchamp

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

I actually kinda like Emile...then again I haven't finished the campaign so don't spoil his behavior for me:P

To beat Reach in sales - Have better online multiplayer system/servers than Halo and advertise the hell out of it. Even then, it's an insane long shot considering that the Halo franchise has had way more time to establish its fanbase than Killzone.

To beat Reach in MC scores - Have a better online multiplayer design/servers than Reach. More guns (but keep it balanced). Be less repetitive in SP than Reach. Allow Sev (the player) to savagely kill Rico early in the game's story.

To beat Reach in GS scores - same as above, but pray that the right staff member reviews it.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.1Stark1

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

Cause hes anoying. He also got people killed in KZ2 and made things worse for KZ3. Though I hate him and cole train from gears equally. I would like to see them both die. Now on topic KZ3 needs some sort of co-op mode. To me thats one of the key things its missing.

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[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.jg4xchamp

LOL, why does everyone hate Rico so much.:P

Killzone is completly diffrent to Halo, yes they both have guns OmGawd!?!?!? but both are diffrent, its obvious from what we have seen Reach is the better game, we need to see what GG show off in the later months.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]Killing Rico would be a good start.Vader993

rico can't die

Lol!

If only you could unlock Chuck Norris vs. Rico in KZ3...

Add in all the options/ modes that Halo has. Need good Co-op mode, split screen support. a survival mode like Horde/Firefight would be great, theatre etc

Strictly talking about gameplay I think KZ2 is just as good if not better then Halo3/ ODST.

While it already has graphics and story isn't a priority for eith game, I'd say it should focus on content creation and co-op. The SP and MP were very well done and polished, but Halo's Forge would really put Sony's Play. Create. Share motto to the test, if it can offer co-op and the ability to make co-op maps plus more content ni the way of guns and vehicles then I think KZ3 will be a solid contender to go up against Reach or GeoW3.

For 1= Not borrow stuff from halo. The genre itself is already over saturated with the copy cat syndrom. Someone needs to be the bigger man and cut it out. 2= Actually differentiate itself from a single player standpoint. Where as multiplayer had some brilliant ideas with Killzone 2 the single player could not have been more generic(well it could have been Resistance). It has some great animations, and the engine had some really kick ass atmosphere but the games campaign did nothing with it. That and the level design honestly never took advantage of the clever AI. The shooting mechanics in Killzone 2 are great(although some tightening up here and there wouldn't hurt), and the Helghast in general are fun to fight. just fix everything else about the campaign and you probably have something that can more than go toe to toe with Reach.

[QUOTE="EXLINK"]Put the Halo label on it and say its the 5th installment. It'll be praised for being revolutionary and millions will buy it regardless.Revolution_Ali

Which could be said about any franchise: SMB, MGS, even COD. In the end, the name alone doesn't sell the millions of copies that these games have sold. They sell because people enjoy them, even though you personally may not.

Kill Rico and replace him with someone that's actually kind of cool. Someone like Ghost from MW2 would be awesome.hexashadow13

Cool would be nice, but I was thinking more along the lines of someone who is actually useful. :P I cannot count the times I said, "WTF!? He is down again?!" during the final boss battle of KZ2.

I loved Killzone 2 and will buy Killzone 3 on day 1 but I would like to have some kind of 4 player split screen mode in the game whether it be some kind of deathmatch or coop. I would also like to see a mode like GeOW2's Horde or Reach's Firefight mode. That would be awesome fighting against wave after wave of Helghast.