It’s crazy people are so caught up complaining about superficial wokeness while Texas is turning into a third world country
"It's 2016 and if you aren't cool with homosexuals teaching your kids about butt sex in schools"
Don't you have 100s of black biographies, Anne Franke books, SEL books, and KKK history books to go ban?
"We can all be victims!"
Agreed, history and science offends me. Lets up the 10 commandments instead! Texas sure likes appearing third world between this school nonsense and their abortion lunacy.
Refreshing to hear, especially because I know you value religion.
I agree though. If you want to be taught religion, go to church/temple/mosque/etc. Read about it in your own home.
I do understand @sargentd argument, however, and feel that other things need not be taught in school. I think we need to trim things down a bit. School should objective. Teach science, math, history, art, etc..
Politics should also be taught but need to be as objective as possible. Who did what, when, and why. If it's debatable, then offer up both sides of that debate and don't favor one.
Sex does need to be taught, and it should be honest and objective as well. And, for better or worse, it should be taught either around puberty or right before puberty, and that means elementary school.
*Idunno, I don't think it's really that hard to figure this out. We just politicize it and make it more complicated.
My issue with his argument is that it's not actually being taught. Much like CRT everything gets lumped in with whatever outrage the far right extremist right currently has. Teaching the history of the Civil War and Civil rights is necessary. If it hurts your feelings then you have the problem. Not you personally. Just in general.
Same with issues with gender, sexuality. If a child trusts their teacher and needs to talk about it, then it shouldn't be negated. Some children don't have supportive families. It does a disservice to children to remove help. No school is telling children to change their gender. Support is a positive. Not a negative.
Except it is and you have been proven wrong on this repetaedly. Nobody is talking about banning the teaching of the civil war and civil rights. Most of it has to do with teaching kids that every system that exist today was built on " white supremacy " and every institution we have needs to be destroyed because everyone who isn't white will be forced to deal with a system meant to oppres them.
Confusing small children about gender identity is garbage and has no place in school. It normalizes it and anyone who feels like a confused outcast gravitates towards it. There is a reason why the number of people identify in the LGBTQ+ community doubjes every generation and the fact 1 in 5 of people in gen Z identify as such should at least be a red flag that something is going on.
My issue with his argument is that it's not actually being taught. Much like CRT everything gets lumped in with whatever outrage the far right extremist right currently has. Teaching the history of the Civil War and Civil rights is necessary. If it hurts your feelings then you have the problem. Not you personally. Just in general.
Same with issues with gender, sexuality. If a child trusts their teacher and needs to talk about it, then it shouldn't be negated. Some children don't have supportive families. It does a disservice to children to remove help. No school is telling children to change their gender. Support is a positive. Not a negative.
Except it is and you have been proven wrong on this repetaedly. Nobody is talking about banning the teaching of the civil war and civil rights. Most of it has to do with teaching kids that every system that exist today was built on " white supremacy " and every institution we have needs to be destroyed because everyone who isn't white will be forced to deal with a system meant to oppres them.
Confusing small children about gender identity is garbage and has no place in school. It normalizes it and anyone who feels like a confused outcast gravitates towards it. There is a reason why the number of people identify in the LGBTQ+ community doubjes every generation and the fact 1 in 5 of people in gen Z identify as such should at least be a red flag that something is going on.
No it's not being taught in K-12 and there has been NO proof it is. Just insecure people that hear a conversation about race and whine it's CRT.
No one is teaching children to change their identity either. You do a great disservice to teachers who don't have enough time to teach what they're supposed to be teaching.
Nothing but hate and insecurity from the far right extremists.
My issue with his argument is that it's not actually being taught. Much like CRT everything gets lumped in with whatever outrage the far right extremist right currently has. Teaching the history of the Civil War and Civil rights is necessary. If it hurts your feelings then you have the problem. Not you personally. Just in general.
Same with issues with gender, sexuality. If a child trusts their teacher and needs to talk about it, then it shouldn't be negated. Some children don't have supportive families. It does a disservice to children to remove help. No school is telling children to change their gender. Support is a positive. Not a negative.
Except it is and you have been proven wrong on this repetaedly. Nobody is talking about banning the teaching of the civil war and civil rights. Most of it has to do with teaching kids that every system that exist today was built on " white supremacy " and every institution we have needs to be destroyed because everyone who isn't white will be forced to deal with a system meant to oppres them.
Confusing small children about gender identity is garbage and has no place in school. It normalizes it and anyone who feels like a confused outcast gravitates towards it. There is a reason why the number of people identify in the LGBTQ+ community doubjes every generation and the fact 1 in 5 of people in gen Z identify as such should at least be a red flag that something is going on.
No it's not being taught in K-12 and there has been NO proof it is. Just insecure people that hear a conversation about race and whine it's CRT.
No one is teaching children to change their identity either. You do a great disservice to teachers who don't have enough time to teach what they're supposed to be teaching.
Nothing but hate and insecurity from the far right extremists.
Correct.
CRT is not really "a thing" that exist as curriculum. It's a theory discussed in intellectual circles mostly to explain certain systemic issues.
Yes, it might creep into schools here and there when some super liberal teacher decides to go against the norm or act rashly (but that can be said about thousands of other things, teachers are only human and prone to flaws just like pilots can occasionally crash planes and doctors perform poorly during surgery and cops can shoot people that don't deserve it).
But anyone worried about CRT, or drag-time story hour or whatever for that matter, needs to calm the **** down. It's not a thing we need be worried about.
My issue with his argument is that it's not actually being taught. Much like CRT everything gets lumped in with whatever outrage the far right extremist right currently has. Teaching the history of the Civil War and Civil rights is necessary. If it hurts your feelings then you have the problem. Not you personally. Just in general.
Same with issues with gender, sexuality. If a child trusts their teacher and needs to talk about it, then it shouldn't be negated. Some children don't have supportive families. It does a disservice to children to remove help. No school is telling children to change their gender. Support is a positive. Not a negative.
Except it is and you have been proven wrong on this repetaedly. Nobody is talking about banning the teaching of the civil war and civil rights. Most of it has to do with teaching kids that every system that exist today was built on " white supremacy " and every institution we have needs to be destroyed because everyone who isn't white will be forced to deal with a system meant to oppres them.
Confusing small children about gender identity is garbage and has no place in school. It normalizes it and anyone who feels like a confused outcast gravitates towards it. There is a reason why the number of people identify in the LGBTQ+ community doubjes every generation and the fact 1 in 5 of people in gen Z identify as such should at least be a red flag that something is going on.
No it's not being taught in K-12 and there has been NO proof it is. Just insecure people that hear a conversation about race and whine it's CRT.
No one is teaching children to change their identity either. You do a great disservice to teachers who don't have enough time to teach what they're supposed to be teaching.
Nothing but hate and insecurity from the far right extremists.
Yes it is.. Since the left struggles to define it( they seem to to struggle with basic defenitions now). I defined it for you. This is what they are talking about and that is in fact being taught in elementary schools. Teaching About systemic racism in 2023 is leftwing bullshit and something the left so desperately wants to do. The left always needs to create more victims.
They are glorifying it and normalizing it. Every single leftwing activist will tell you that's the goal. ( normalize it).
Yes it is.. Since the left struggles to define it( they seem to to struggle with basic defenitions now). I defined it for you. This is what they are talking about and that is in fact being taught in elementary schools. Teaching About systemic racism in 2023 is leftwing bullshit and something the left so desperately wants to do. The left always needs to create more victims.
They are glorifying it and normalizing it. Every single leftwing activist will tell you that's the goal. ( normalize it).
Skimmed. At the most the teachers are teaching history, which they should. But they aren't teaching CRT if YOU had read it.
My issue with his argument is that it's not actually being taught. Much like CRT everything gets lumped in with whatever outrage the far right extremist right currently has. Teaching the history of the Civil War and Civil rights is necessary. If it hurts your feelings then you have the problem. Not you personally. Just in general.
Same with issues with gender, sexuality. If a child trusts their teacher and needs to talk about it, then it shouldn't be negated. Some children don't have supportive families. It does a disservice to children to remove help. No school is telling children to change their gender. Support is a positive. Not a negative.
Except it is and you have been proven wrong on this repetaedly. Nobody is talking about banning the teaching of the civil war and civil rights. Most of it has to do with teaching kids that every system that exist today was built on " white supremacy " and every institution we have needs to be destroyed because everyone who isn't white will be forced to deal with a system meant to oppres them.
Confusing small children about gender identity is garbage and has no place in school. It normalizes it and anyone who feels like a confused outcast gravitates towards it. There is a reason why the number of people identify in the LGBTQ+ community doubjes every generation and the fact 1 in 5 of people in gen Z identify as such should at least be a red flag that something is going on.
No it's not being taught in K-12 and there has been NO proof it is. Just insecure people that hear a conversation about race and whine it's CRT.
No one is teaching children to change their identity either. You do a great disservice to teachers who don't have enough time to teach what they're supposed to be teaching.
Nothing but hate and insecurity from the far right extremists.
Yes it is.. Since the left struggles to define it( they seem to to struggle with basic defenitions now). I defined it for you. This is what they are talking about and that is in fact being taught in elementary schools. Teaching About systemic racism in 2023 is leftwing bullshit and something the left so desperately wants to do. The left always needs to create more victims.
They are glorifying it and normalizing it. Every single leftwing activist will tell you that's the goal. ( normalize it).
Skimmed. At the most the teachers are teaching history, which they should. But they aren't teaching CRT if YOU had read it.
They are saying teaching " systemic racism " is necessary in teaching about history. This is how they do it. Take aspects of it and shove it in required curriculum.
Yes it is.. Since the left struggles to define it( they seem to to struggle with basic defenitions now).
The left? Every forum poster I know here who got into definition debates (oof, what is this 3rd grade) was a conservative and literally lost them ALL once anyone cited Merriam Webster. Ban. Vaccine. Virus. Gender. Climate Change.
Also it's the far right who struggles to define CRT, not the left. This has been the main criticism of the fake far right culture war (which is failing btw). Stating facts about systemic racism is not CRT.
Critical race theory is a flashpoint for conservatives, but what does it mean? | PBS NewsHour
‘Anti-Woke’ Author Who Can’t Define ‘Woke’ Goes Viral (forbes.com)
This is literally an invented culture war issue. We know exactly how it happened,
How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker
This isn't up for debate unless you can refute the above article. It's an invented nothing burger.
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
They are saying teaching " systemic racism " is necessary in teaching about history. This is how they do it. Take aspects of it and shove it in required curriculum.
Teaching facts that you might not like is not always CRT.
Anyway banning history/science books & classes, but meanwhile putting up 10 commandments is pretty nutty and 3rd world like + hypocritical. As if their stance on child labor laws and abortion weren't already 3rd world enough.
Yes it is.. Since the left struggles to define it( they seem to to struggle with basic defenitions now).
The left? Every forum poster I know here who got into definition debates (oof, what is this 3rd grade) was a conservative and literally lost them ALL once anyone cited Merriam Webster. Ban. Vaccine. Virus. Gender. Climate Change.
Also it's the far right who struggles to define CRT, not the left. This has been the main criticism of the fake far right culture war (which is failing btw). Stating facts about systemic racism is not CRT.
Critical race theory is a flashpoint for conservatives, but what does it mean? | PBS NewsHour
‘Anti-Woke’ Author Who Can’t Define ‘Woke’ Goes Viral (forbes.com)
This is literally an invented culture war issue. We know exactly how it happened,
How a Conservative Activist Invented the Conflict Over Critical Race Theory | The New Yorker
This isn't up for debate unless you can refute the above article. It's an invented nothing burger.
@silentchief said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
They are saying teaching " systemic racism " is necessary in teaching about history. This is how they do it. Take aspects of it and shove it in required curriculum.
Teaching facts that you might not like is not always CRT.
Anyway banning history/science books & classes, but meanwhile putting up 10 commandments is pretty nutty and 3rd world like + hypocritical. As if their stance on child labor laws and abortion weren't already 3rd world enough.
What is a women ? I'll watch you struggle now🤣
Teaching systemic racism and applying it to standard course material is what the rights referring to. It exist and you support it. Stop blabbering about banning books the left loves to ban books that hurt their feelings all while trying to teach 3rd graders about blow jobs.
Teaching facts that you might not like is not always CRT.
Anyway banning history/science books & classes, but meanwhile putting up 10 commandments is pretty nutty and 3rd world like + hypocritical. As if their stance on child labor laws and abortion weren't already 3rd world enough.
What is a women ? I'll watch you struggle now🤣
You shouldn't put yourself in these situations. A woman is an adult female.
Woman Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Why do you make it so easy to win?
@silentchief said:
Teaching systemic racism and applying it to standard course material
This alone isn't CRT. Also what's wrong with teaching facts?
@silentchief said:
It exist and you support it.
As long as it's referring to a real instance of systemic racism, yes I support teaching facts.
@silentchief said:
Stop blabbering about banning books the left loves to ban books
Lets do a count for book bans over the last 5 years and see which side has more. I expect exponential differences in our counts.
You shouldn't put yourself in these situations. A woman is an adult female.
Woman Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster
Why do you make it so easy to win?
It's an adult HUMAN female.
Kind of obvious that's what I meant, especially considering I'm just citing a top dictionary.
@silentchief said:
They aren't teaching facts.
It is a fact though.
@silentchief said:
@zaryia:
Lets do a count for book bans over the last 5 years and see which side has more. I expect exponential differences in our counts.
Well the right isn't pushing gay romance into children's books soo 🤷♂️
100s of the bans include biography books, SEL books, mere mention of gays, Anne Franke, etc. 96% of the 2,000+ banned books were approved by 2 leading national library groups vs several of these local schoolboard bans being from GED Christian group moms. Like that one math ban for mentioning climate change by the HS dropout.
They went overboard and it backfired in some areas:
Why GOP culture warriors lost big in school board races this month - POLITICO
Voter Perceptions of Book Bans in the United States - EveryLibrary Institute
75% against it in general.
3rd world Lunacy. And after that they pull this 10 commandments stun lol wtf?
Kind of obvious that's what I meant, especially considering I'm just citing a top dictionary.
But why does your party struggle with this so much?
@zaryia:
It is a fact though
What is? That every law passed over the past 50 years has been meant to give minorities an advantage? That blaming failures of ones culture on " systemic racism" in 2023 is looney tunes leftwing bullshit and has no place in schools?
@zaryia:
100s of the bans include biography books, SEL books, mere mention of gays, Anne Franke, etc.96% of the 2,000+ banned books were approved by 2 leading national library groups vs several of these local schoolboard bans being from GED Christian group moms. Like that one math ban for mentioning climate change by the HS dropout.
Lots of them focus on gay romance and gender identity bullshit that was being taught to small children. A point you argued wasn't happening until you could no longer make that argument so now you have to claim their going overboard. Again this is no surprise since teachers/activist have the same goal... to normalize it.
Regardless conservatives losing school board positions in deep blue states isn't surprising . Just remember it's the left banning iconic American books because they have words that hurt their feelings.
Kind of obvious that's what I meant, especially considering I'm just citing a top dictionary.
But why does your party struggle with this so much?
Dunno, there are millions from your party who struggled with vaccines, climate change, and covid which was worlds worse and exponentially more dangerous than this.
I guess they are confusing gender and sex.
@silentchief said:
What is?
System Racism (or at least certain forms of it) is a fact. I do not mind anyone teaching facts.
@silentchief said:
What is? That every law passed over the past 50 years has been meant to give minorities an advantage? That blaming failures of ones culture on " systemic racism" in 2023 is looney tunes leftwing bullshit and has no place in schools?
@zaryia:
100s of the bans include biography books, SEL books, mere mention of gays, Anne Franke, etc.96% of the 2,000+ banned books were approved by 2 leading national library groups vs several of these local schoolboard bans being from GED Christian group moms. Like that one math ban for mentioning climate change by the HS dropout.
Lots of them focus on gay romance
Most weren't. Again, 97% of them were already approved by the top Library groups and they were challenged by far right GED Heroes.
@silentchief said:
Just remember it's the left banning iconic American books because they have words that hurt their feelings.
Yeah, at an exponentially lower rate. And they don't turn around and put the 10 commandments in the school lmao.
Well that's when they aren't loosening child labor laws and fighting free school lunch. Muh children.
Systemic racism against people of color doesn’t seem to be a thing in today’s America. People of color and women get systemic favoritism now through programs such as Affirmative Action. I’m all for programs that help people from economically disadvantaged situations, but I am against programs that distinguish solely on the basis of ethnicity. We have just reverse engineered the systemic racism in the other direction rather than truly ending it.
Systemic racism against people of color doesn’t seem to be a thing in today’s America. People of color and women get systemic favoritism now through programs such as Affirmative Action. I’m all for programs that help people from economically disadvantaged situations, but I am against programs that distinguish solely on the basis of ethnicity. We have just reverse engineered the systemic racism in the other direction rather than truly ending it.
Dunno, there are millions from your party who struggled with vaccines, climate change, and covid which was worlds worse and exponentially more dangerous than this.
I guess they are confusing gender and sex.
But your party sucked at Covid. They were the ones that grouped the old people together to die. Than forced healthy young people to stay at home causing this train wreck of an economy we currently have. Your party sucks at climate change too. Introducing a bunch off bullshit green energy initiatives that are making the problem WORSE!
For as passionate as your party is on these issues they can't stop fucking them up.
@zaryia:
System Racism (or at least certain forms of it) is a fact. I do not mind anyone teaching facts.
The best example of systemic racism in the modern age are DEI programs. The left doesn't want to talk about that though. Why is that?
@zaryia:
Most weren't. Again, 97% of them were already approved by the top Library groups and they were challenged by far right GED Heroes.
Yea I'm not sure about that. You told me this wasn't happening at all 6 months ago... what happened? You were lying?
@zaryia:
Yeah, at an exponentially lower rate. And they don't turn around and put the 10 commandments in the school lmao.
If the right put Christian themed books in schools the left would ban the **** out of them. Look at the meltdown you're having about the 10 commandments.
Dunno, there are millions from your party who struggled with vaccines, climate change, and covid which was worlds worse and exponentially more dangerous than this.
I guess they are confusing gender and sex.
But your party sucked at Covid.
Not nearly as bad as yours,
Covid death rates higher among Republicans than Democrats, research shows (nbcnews.com)
Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic | NBER
For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later - ABC News (go.com)
Unvaccinated Adults are Now More Than Three Times as Likely to Lean Republican than Democratic | KFF
@silentchief said:
Your party sucks at climate change too.
Not nearly as bad as yours,
Delay as the New Denial: The Latest Republican Tactic to Block Climate Action - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Climate Deniers in the 117th Congress - Center for American Progress
The Republican Party stands alone in climate denial | Climate science scepticism and denial | The Guardian
Why conservatives keep gaslighting the nation about climate change - Vox
Republicans in Congress are out of step with the American public on climate (brookings.edu)
I won't be gas lit into thinking the left/Dems were as bad at Covid or Climate Change as Republicans. That's straight up insanity. You might as well say progressives are pro-gun and pro-life.
@silentchief said:
For as passionate as your party is on these issues they can't stop fucking them up.
Because the other party is 3-6x worse on them. This makes it an easy choice for me.
@silentchief said:
Yea I'm not sure about that.
Cool story. Banned in the USA: The Growing Movement to Ban Books - PEN America
Of the 2,532 bans listed in the Index, 96 percent were enacted without following the best practice guidelines for book challenges outlined by the American Library Association (ALA) and the National Coalition Against Censorship (NCAC).
Sorry, I was off by 1%.
@silentchief said:
the 10 commandments.
Laughing at these 3rd world psychos for banning books on science and history, but then wanting to put in the 10 commandments is hardly a meltdown. As posted previously,
@Serraph105 said:
This has already been ruled against by the SCOTUS in 1980 in Stone v Graham. Literally this exact thing!
Kentucky law requiring Ten Commandments in schools violated First Amendment
In Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980), the Supreme Court ruled that a Kentucky law that required the posting of the Ten Commandments on the wall of every public school classroom in the state violated the establishment clause of the First Amendment because the purpose of the display was essentially religious.
Defending this 10 commandments bullshit is a far worse look than bashing it.
Nine out of the ten worst responses to the pandemic were in blue states, the report said, with only Republican-run Maryland bucking that trend and coming seventh last.
Ooof
@zaryia
Not nearly as bad as yours,
Worse actually because at least we don't live in a Fantasy land.
Substituting renewables for fossil fuels is not the solution many believe it is. Weather-dependent fuels such as wind and solar are simply too unpredictable to power modern economies reliably, meaning that “adjustable” energy sources – coal, gas, and nuclear – remain essential to buffer the volatility by fluctuating inversely to wind and solar power. In a case of prolonged “dark doldrums”, when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining, these sources will even have to meet all energy demand on their
I mean the left acknowledges it's an issue but can only push their shitty solutions that are making the problem WORSE
@zaryia
Cool story
Yea I would need to know why this is relevant. Until you acknowledge that this is unacceptable I can't take you seriously.
@zaryia
Laughing at these 3rd world psychos for banning books on science and history, but then wanting to put in the 10 commandments is hardly a meltdown. As posted previously,
Funny because I'm laughing at the degenerate psychos that think a guy in a dress is a women and wanting to teach kids that's normal 🤷♂️
After getting absolutely wrecked in the previous transgender thread, you still continue with this "what is a woman?" stunt? You already lost this debate, no idea why you brought it back here,
And here you go again with the excuses trying to rationalize censorship. The fact that you guys are on a book banning spree, and now trying to impose those godawful 10 commandments in every classroom, tells me just how insincere these lawmakers are. They are not after the greatest well being for children, they are trying to impose their religious agenda. Personally, I think Texas could use a lot less religious nonsense and a lot more science and history. Rather than trying to (incorrectly) brand everything they dont like as CRT, and then impose laws against it. Teaching uncomfortable truths about the Civil War is necessary.
I will say I agree democrats suck on climate change though. But not because they are going too far, but because they are not going far enough. But that is for another topic.
The 10 commandments are such a dismal moral framework, I can't believe anyone is actually defending them, let alone revere them. Here are the Satanic Temple's 7 Fundamental Tenets,
I: One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II: The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III: One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV: The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V: Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI: People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII: Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Considerably more well thought out, and more in line with universally agreed upon human rights than the 10 commandments. You seemed to go off-topic in your random posts. So how about we bring this thread back to the actual topic at hand? Do you defend this 10 commandments crap?
After getting absolutely wrecked in the previous transgender thread, you still continue with this "what is a woman?" stunt? You already lost this debate, no idea why you brought it back here,
🤣🤣🤣 how delusional do you have to be? No i didn't lose it and I'm glad you showed up to act like a 🤡. A man who tells you he is a women isn't a women.
I don't support censorship unless it involves teaching children. This isn't a new concept.
Please do not gas light me with an economics and education Daily Mail article (literal fake news) after I posted peer reviewed medical studies and high fact sources. The right were the main source of Covid disinformation, Anti-vaxxing, and worse Covid health outcomes. Actual death and disease.
Cumulative death rates in red states 30% higher;
A study from the Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School Of Public Health in Baltimore, Maryland, finds that states with Republican governors have experienced the highest number of COVID-19 cases and deaths during the COVID-19 pandemic.
A study in June published in Health Affairs similarly found that counties with a Republican majority had a greater share of Covid deaths through October 2021, relative to majority-Democratic counties.
COVID is killing more people per 100,000 in red states than in blue states, a reflection of GOP resistance to vaccines.
Covid death rates higher among Republicans than Democrats, research shows (nbcnews.com)
Excess Death Rates for Republicans and Democrats During the COVID-19 Pandemic | NBER
For red and blue America, a glaring divide in COVID-19 death rates persists 2 years later - ABC News (go.com)
Unvaccinated Adults are Now More Than Three Times as Likely to Lean Republican than Democratic | KFF
S0008423920000396jra 335..342 (cambridge.org)
The coronavirus pandemic has been deadlier in red states (axios.com)
Political ideology linked with COVID health outcomes | News | Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health
The actual pandemic/vaccines were handled worse. You can goal post move to economy and education 2 years after the Pandemic after we talk about the literal virus.
@silentchief said:
Worse actually because at least we don't live in aFantasy land.
We were talking US Republicans and Democrats and not a random issue from a random EU country. Nice goal post move. Even then, the right in Europe are not that bad on climate change as Republicans. It's the US Right who are absolutely batshit and wrong on climate change and the entire planet knows it.
Delay as the New Denial: The Latest Republican Tactic to Block Climate Action - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Climate Deniers in the 117th Congress - Center for American Progress
The Republican Party stands alone in climate denial | Climate science scepticism and denial | The Guardian
Why conservatives keep gaslighting the nation about climate change - Vox
Republicans in Congress are out of step with the American public on climate (brookings.edu)
Republican Drive to Tilt Courts Against Climate Action Reaches a Crucial Moment - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
We're far behind on climate change in US and it's literally due to the right.
The Trump Administration Rolled Back More Than 100 Environmental Rules. Here’s the Full List. - The New York Times (nytimes.com)
Republican Drive to Tilt Courts Against Climate Action Reaches a Crucial Moment
Why are we even debating this. Next we'll have a debate on which party is worse for Abortion?
@silentchief said:
I mean the left acknowledges it's an issue but can only push their shitty solutions that are making the problem WORS
This is fake news. You moved the goal post to economy for both issues, and not the actual issues of Covid and Climate Change. The right (US right, can't believe I have to put this disclaimer in to anyone who knows anything about politics) is consistently worse on both issues and I'm scratching my head right now.
I can't believe I'm reading this. I have a feeling you would "debate" the sky being blue with me if I said the sky was blue.
@silentchief said:
Yea I would need to know why this is relevant.
No one cares about what you find relevant. Banning thousands of books, 96% of which were approved, while putting up the 10 commandments is 3rd world lunacy.
@silentchief said:
Funny because I'm laughing at the degenerate psychos that think a guy in a dress is a women and wanting to teach kids that's normal 🤷♂️
This just isn't as bad as banning thousands of approved books but then putting up the 10 commandments, anti-vaxxing, climate denial, abortion bans, and the new wave of child labor laws.
After getting absolutely wrecked in the previous transgender thread, you still continue with this "what is a woman?" stunt? You already lost this debate, no idea why you brought it back here,
And here you go again with the excuses trying to rationalize censorship. The fact that you guys are on a book banning spree, and now trying to impose those godawful 10 commandments in every classroom, tells me just how insincere these lawmakers are. They are not after the greatest well being for children, they are trying to impose their religious agenda. Personally, I think Texas could use a lot less religious nonsense and a lot more science and history. Rather than trying to (incorrectly) brand everything they dont like as CRT, and then impose laws against it. Teaching uncomfortable truths about the Civil War is necessary.
I will say I agree democrats suck on climate change though. But not because they are going too far, but because they are not going far enough. But that is for another topic.
The 10 commandments are such a dismal moral framework, I can't believe anyone is actually defending them, let alone revere them. Here are the Satanic Temple's 7 Fundamental Tenets,
I: One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II: The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III: One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV: The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V: Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI: People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII: Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Considerably more well thought out, and more in line with universally agreed upon human rights than the 10 commandments. You seemed to go off-topic in your random posts. So how about we bring this thread back to the actual topic at hand? Do you defend this 10 commandments crap?
You're arguing with someone who thinks Democrats are worse on Climate Change than Republicans, and thinks multiple fields of science and multiple TOP dictionaries are wrong.
There is no semblance of reality here. We can't even agree on the most core basics of politics and definitions that grade schoolers understand.
Having to "debate" the absolute most basic fundamentals like I'm talking to a 10 year old so often on these forums is tiring.
@mattbbpl: Democrats gerrymander too. Reverse the language of the example you gave to “Democratic leader gerrymanders to help families of color,” and the Dems would deem that person a hero.
I’m not saying it’s right either way, but to point to gerrymandering as the sole proof of oppressive “systemic racism” doesn’t quite fit, especially when so much legislation has passed since the 50’s to help people of color.
And what do the Dems do to actually help any person regardless of ethnic background? I think there is a legitimate place for social programs that help those who are struggling, but what plans do these people put in place to give people the tools they need to actually DO something to get out of their difficult circumstances?
@mattbbpl: Democrats gerrymander too. Reverse the language of the example you gave to “Democratic leader gerrymanders to help families of color,” and the Dems would deem that person a hero.
Indeed they do. Republicans just do it more and benefit more. At least recently.
@The_Deepblue said:
I’m not saying it’s right either way, but to point to gerrymandering as the sole proof of oppressive “systemic racism” doesn’t quite fit,
Racial gerrymandering is 100% an objective measure of proof for systemic racism. Your opinion on this fact is not relevant nor does it counter said fact.
@zaryia: Didn’t say it wasn’t proof. I’m just saying that it does not equate to the same type of systemic racism that existed during or before Jim Crow. All the protests, riots, looting, random assaults (such as in Chicago recently with the “Teen Takeover”), school walkouts, etc. are all because of gerrymandering?
You're arguing with someone who thinks Democrats are worse on Climate Change than Republicans, and thinks multiple fields of science and multiple TOP dictionaries are wrong.
There is no semblance of reality here. We can't even agree on the most core basics of politics and definitions that grade schoolers understand.
Having to "debate" the absolute most basic fundamentals like I'm talking to a 10 year old so often on these forums is tiring.
I know :P
SilentChief got upset that I compared his debate tactics to flat earther debate tactics, and then says stuff like this,
They specifically mention some of the studies that were funded. Again the only thing you will accept is a counter study which you know don't exist. I'm telling you why they don't exist. They will soon hopefully .Regardless none of your arguments are based in science. Your argument is based off Social constructionism.
It's why you can't use any example that makes sense because your entire argument relies on one flawed theory.
After getting absolutely wrecked in the previous transgender thread, you still continue with this "what is a woman?" stunt? You already lost this debate, no idea why you brought it back here,
🤣🤣🤣 how delusional do you have to be? No i didn't lose it and I'm glad you showed up to act like a 🤡. A man who tells you he is a women isn't a women.
I don't support censorship unless it involves teaching children. This isn't a new concept.
The things they are censoring from children are not harmful to the child. Banning Rosa Parks book is okay with you? That's just keeping kids ignorant and non-accepting of differences that God, you know the author of the Ten Commandments said is wrong. If you can't follow the teaching then putting up the words is worthless.
Also what happens if another religion is in power? Are you going to be okay with teaching Islam or Judaism to your children?
Keep government out of religion and vice versa. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
@The_Deepblue: You challenged the existence of systemic racism, saying it no longer exists. I proved it does by showing evidence that one of the two major political parties robs minorities of their voting power across the country.
@zaryia: Didn’t say it wasn’t proof. I’m just saying that it does not equate to the same type of systemic racism that existed during or before Jim Crow. All the protests, riots, looting, random assaults (such as in Chicago recently with the “Teen Takeover”), school walkouts, etc. are all because of gerrymandering?
Well, shit man! If it's not as bad as Jim Crow then it's A-OK for the GOP to commit systemic racism! I apologize, you're just supporting modern racism, not 1950's racism. Don't even worry about it!
Do you keep a biography of Lee Atwater by your bedside?
@mattbbpl: I didn’t deny what you said about that ONE case being wrong and potentially racist, did I? I say potentially racist because I did not see anything in it about purposefully trying to harm people of color. It was an example of systemic favoritism, which is what Affirmative Action is as well.
Now you’re taking my initial statement and running a country mile with it by making assumptions and misrepresenting me. You ignore that I do not deny that the gerrymandering case you cited was obviously bad practice on the part of that GOP leader.
But that’s typical left-wing thinker behavior. No nuance exists in your world.
After getting absolutely wrecked in the previous transgender thread, you still continue with this "what is a woman?" stunt? You already lost this debate, no idea why you brought it back here,
🤣🤣🤣 how delusional do you have to be? No i didn't lose it and I'm glad you showed up to act like a 🤡. A man who tells you he is a women isn't a women.
I don't support censorship unless it involves teaching children. This isn't a new concept.
The things they are censoring from children are not harmful to the child. Banning Rosa Parks book is okay with you? That's just keeping kids ignorant and non-accepting of differences that God, you know the author of the Ten Commandments said is wrong. If you can't follow the teaching then putting up the words is worthless.
Also what happens if another religion is in power? Are you going to be okay with teaching Islam or Judaism to your children?
Keep government out of religion and vice versa. Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
Kids are still being taught about Rosa Parks. I would need more details specifically about what book was banned but kids still learn about Rosa Parks.
I agree, church and state should be separated but this is American politics now. Both sides choose to take things to the extremes just to spite each other.
Kids are still being Taught about Rosa Parks. I would need more details specifically about what book was banned but kids still learn about Rosa Parks.
I agree, church and state should be separated but this is American politics now. Both sides choose to take things to the extremes just to spite each other.
You're arguing with someone who thinks Democrats are worse on Climate Change than Republicans, and thinks multiple fields of science and multiple TOP dictionaries are wrong.
There is no semblance of reality here. We can't even agree on the most core basics of politics and definitions that grade schoolers understand.
Having to "debate" the absolute most basic fundamentals like I'm talking to a 10 year old so often on these forums is tiring.
I know :P
SilentChief got upset that I compared his debate tactics to flat earther debate tactics, and then says stuff like this,
They specifically mention some of the studies that were funded. Again the only thing you will accept is a counter study which you know don't exist. I'm telling you why they don't exist. They will soon hopefully .Regardless none of your arguments are based in science. Your argument is based off Social constructionism.
It's why you can't use any example that makes sense because your entire argument relies on one flawed theory.
I'm arguing with the only two clowns on this forum that think this is a women.
You're right there is no semblance of reality here. You both live in a Fantasy land. The average 10 year old is ahead of both of you on this topic
@zaryia: Didn’t say it wasn’t proof. I’m just saying that it does not equate to the same type of systemic racism that existed during or before Jim Crow. All the protests, riots, looting, random assaults (such as in Chicago recently with the “Teen Takeover”), school walkouts, etc. are all because of gerrymandering?
Well, shit man! If it's not as bad as Jim Crow then it's A-OK for the GOP to commit systemic racism! I apologize, you're just supporting modern racism, not 1950's racism. Don't even worry about it!
Do you keep a biography of Lee Atwater by your bedside?
Well it's certainly ok for the left to commit it with ESG scores and DEI programs.
You're arguing with someone who thinks Democrats are worse on Climate Change than Republicans, and thinks multiple fields of science and multiple TOP dictionaries are wrong.
There is no semblance of reality here. We can't even agree on the most core basics of politics and definitions that grade schoolers understand.
Having to "debate" the absolute most basic fundamentals like I'm talking to a 10 year old so often on these forums is tiring.
I know :P
SilentChief got upset that I compared his debate tactics to flat earther debate tactics, and then says stuff like this,
They specifically mention some of the studies that were funded. Again the only thing you will accept is a counter study which you know don't exist. I'm telling you why they don't exist. They will soon hopefully .Regardless none of your arguments are based in science. Your argument is based off Social constructionism.
It's why you can't use any example that makes sense because your entire argument relies on one flawed theory.
I'm arguing with the only two clowns on this forum that think this is a women.
I literally never said any of that. You had to make shit up about me lol (you got omega burned last time you did that).
You're arguing with someone who thinks Democrats are worse on Climate Change than Republicans, and thinks multiple fields of science and multiple TOP dictionaries are wrong.
There is no semblance of reality here. We can't even agree on the most core basics of politics and definitions that grade schoolers understand.
Having to "debate" the absolute most basic fundamentals like I'm talking to a 10 year old so often on these forums is tiring.
I know :P
SilentChief got upset that I compared his debate tactics to flat earther debate tactics, and then says stuff like this,
They specifically mention some of the studies that were funded. Again the only thing you will accept is a counter study which you know don't exist. I'm telling you why they don't exist. They will soon hopefully .Regardless none of your arguments are based in science. Your argument is based off Social constructionism.
It's why you can't use any example that makes sense because your entire argument relies on one flawed theory.
I'm arguing with the only two clowns on this forum that think this is a women.
I literally never said any of that. You had to make shit up about me lol (you got omega burned last time you did that).
This is like arguing with an 8 year old.
You specifically mentioned " Republicans think multiple fields of science are wrong". MAX has posted articles from neurologists and medical journals that will tell you that what I posted was a women. You should have kept your mouth shut and stopped blabbering about " TEH ScIEnCE" and responding to a person who actually believes that.
Even an 8 year old knows the above picture isn't a women but the person you quoted argued with me for pages saying it was. " no semblance of reality " describes those in your party accurately.
@silentchief: Remember, a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman!
Is your head spinning from that circular logic yet?
I don’t pay much attention to this trans nonsense, but are real doctors and scientists, psychologists, etc, saying that these men are actually women, or are they just saying that they identify as women? That’s a big difference.
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