***** ALL CONTROLLER DISCUSSION in here please******

There seems to be some confusion as to what 6 degrees of movement means. Movement can be categorized into two basic types:

Linear - Where an object moves in a straight line and does not rotate. An Elevator for example.

Rotation - Where an object rotates about an axis but does not move in space. A Steering wheel for example.

The PS3 controller combines these basic movements to give it a total of six unique kinds of movement as follows:

1 Linear up\down

2 Linear forward\back

3 Linear left\right

4 Pitch - up\down Rotation

5 Roll - left\right Rotation (i.e Steering wheel)

6 Yaw - side to side Rotation (i.e Turntable)

Giving you a total of Six Degrees of Movement (Sometimes referred to as Six Degrees of Freedom)

No vibration = end of patent infringing technology.  That's good for Sony.

But I think bad for gamers.  I've gotten used to that technology in games, having it gave you a limited tactile sensation in the game.  And with regards to that backwards compatibility library (which I heard nothing about, btw) this affects all of your older games as well.

Once again Sony shows everyone why they are the best when it comes to designing a controller, they simplify everything instead of having to wave the controller everwhere with one hand, you can do it with both hands which means much easier control. Tyrant74012

Aren't you guys ashamed? You derided the Wii controller as nothing but a gimmick and then your own paymasters have gone and made a second rate copy of it. Leaving aside the fact that this is blatant thievery of superior technology, don't you feel a tad hypocritial that the you now find motion detection technology acceptable despite the fact that you've derided in the past.?

You have to admit that sony are bad for the gaming industry, apart from creating a few great first party titles all they do is steal technology from other people and replicate it in inferior form.  At least Microsoft tried to make their controller more ergonomic. Sony just stuck some motion sensors in it and called it a revolution.  Johnny_Sack

Great post!  It is the truth.  Not to mention that it seems that they are REMOVING the rumble feature (correct me if I am wrong) for this controller.  Not cool.  I'm sure they'll probably release one that has it eventually, but it seems like a step backwards...

The Only thing I can say that is it desgined perfecly for your hand.

It is the most inmporant part of the Playstation, so its always good.

nintendo have lead nearly every gaming innovation since the begining. sony have copied every gaming innovation since the psx. it wouldn't bother me so much if they contributed anything but they never do. they just wait for somebody to invent something good, steal it and then try and pass it off as their own idea.

ki11b0y

Yeah, because we all know that the cell processor, blu-ray, and 1080p are not innovative.  And never mind the fact that the PC has had tilt sensor joysticks since the mid 90's this idea is clearly thought up by Nintendo because they are the only innovative ones out there.

Once again Sony shows everyone why they are the best when it comes to designing a controller, they simplify everything instead of having to wave the controller everwhere with one hand, you can do it with both hands which means much easier control. Tyrant74012

[QUOTE="Johnny_Sack"]Aren't you guys ashamed? You derided the Wii controller as nothing but a gimmick and then your own paymasters have gone and made a second rate copy of it. Leaving aside the fact that this is blatant thievery of superior technology, don't you feel a tad hypocritial that the you now find motion detection technology acceptable despite the fact that you've derided in the past.?

You have to admit that sony are bad for the gaming industry, apart from creating a few great first party titles all they do is steal technology from other people and replicate it in inferior form. At least Microsoft tried to make their controller more ergonomic. Sony just stuck some motion sensors in it and called it a revolution. buuzer0

Great post! It is the truth. Not to mention that it seems that they are REMOVING the rumble feature (correct me if I am wrong) for this controller. Not cool. I'm sure they'll probably release one that has it eventually, but it seems like a step backwards...

To all the xbox fanboys who must feel 'raped' by the disgrace in which sony used 'xboxs' triggers

http://www.utdallas.edu/~jlc017500/New/3D%20models/dreamcast_controller_03_large.jpg

Xbox had nothing to do with the triggers(you'll see what i meen) so i'm sorry but so much copying goes on in this business. for example, can anyone see a small resemblence between the old dualshock and the 360 pads? Hmm perhaps the FOUR shoulder buttons...or both of the anologue sticks? no? well maybe the incerdibly similarly layed out ab and xy buttons when compared to sony's xo and square triangle. Infact, i'll  go so far as saying if you swapped the 360's left anologue stick for its d-pad, it's almost plagiarism!

And the Wii?? oh nintendo's only option to get attention was to do something different completely different like a wiimote. But i completely understand why you're getting scared about the ps3's motion sensor because it deflects the only attention off you guys. It's Pathetic! get over it the motion sensor wasn't exactly your invention.

Oh yeah nintendo don't copy, they lead. And they never made the gc controller layout SURPRISINGLY similar to the dualshock....I love the wiimote and all but please nintendo get over yourselves.

Nintendo fanboys = madHellraiser3899

To reply to alexeiw123's comment about having proof that Sony has had this controller in 2003:

http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/ -This is the 'proof' anyway.

So Sony have been makin their 'new' controller since 2003 huh? Hahahaha!!! :lol:

Thats impressive considering that what is said in the article has no real bearing on their new controller, and is in fact completely different! Does the controller allow gamers to (and i quote from the article) 'simply waving a hand in a certain direction'. A HAND!? No, two hands more like, and whats the fun in that! Its just boring and confusing......ONE HAND allows the freedom. TWO HANDS dont.

But I can see where ur coming from, ITS JUST LIKE MINORITY REPORT isn't it. D'uh! And call me crazy but isnt this the ONLY article about this (from 2003!) and mentioned about it purely being in R&D, nothing more.
I know that this may seem that Sony thought o this first, but ur either completely biased or u dont get ur facts right cos Nintendo has documents on their controller about 5 YEARS AGO! So that would be 2001 wouldnt it? 2 years before Sony started R&D on the technology.

FINALLY, the technology that was talked about from Sony indicated motion sensors from A CAMERA!!! Not a controller. Do u read what u present as proof at all? It talks about eye movement and facial expressions (from a camera!), not what could be done wi the controller.

Its just funny, cos Sony are just scrambling to compete wi BOTH consoles, spreading the console thin. If they'd been in development wi this controller 4 this long, do u really think they'd just pull out their original 'boomerang' and replaced it wi the same old PS2 controller (that REALLY shows they were hard at work doesn't it) with tilt sensoring (oOo.....thats REALLY just like minority report isn't it)? If your answer is yes, then well done......ur brain cleary works eh?

My personal opinion is that Sony's been sweating buckets over the competition. So what do they do? The same thing they always do, STEAL!! There were up in there office saying 'right, we've taken most of Microsoft's online services, tweaked it and claimed it as our own. Now......what about Nintendo? Lets face it everyone, the 'boomerang' sucks. Although most people still like our PS2 controller, if only we could take that appeal and add some kind of motion sensor.  Hmmmm.......:idea:'

Hahahaha, and i've just heard the PS3 price. Thats what u get when u try to add EVERYTHING into ur over-ambitious console. Good luck Sony, good luck. :roll:

The thing is: Hard-core gamers will be swayed toward the 360, while Nintendo's approach of appealing to a larger audience (something Sony had no real interest in) is working because the interface is so user-freindly. That combined with the top class games Nintendo creates (Nintendogs appealled to all sorts, while the traditional games will keep those Crazy Nin-fans happy). Besides this, do u really think that company's will use this feature much? Judging from the past, developers dont like taking risks with all the money involved (ESPECIALLY with the cost of making PS3 games, something Nintendo doesn't need to worry about) and so the PS3 is still likely to receive all those boring, uninspiring sequels and repetitive ideas.

Thank u 4 listening, and I apologize 4 the long rant, but I had to write this as I am morally indignant due to the blatant daylight robbery of Sony. Thievery such as: Analogue stick (remember Sony's original controller? Nope? No surprise), rumble pak, Thied-party developers (yes people, u CAN buy friends) and so forth.....
Sony..........grow up and be ur own 'person'. Stop persistantly coping, ur like a spoilt 5 year old copying a sibling. U may win an audience, but u'll gain no respect from the people who see right through ur plagurist ways.
I thank you again, and remember: Stealing is wrong, no matter how much u try and hide. Lets all just hope people are smarter than Sony take us for. We ARE smarter, no matter how childish some people can be on the Net.

Yours truthfully,
                             The Jersey Devil (Scotland) :twisted:

Ps. No console should the same, this isnt a biased comment. Im just a big fan of innovation/creativity in gaming. Trying something new is what games should be all about frankly....

I hope the controller is: Pitch, Roll, and Yaw.  Tilting in 6 directions

I also hope most games require you to use the motion feature so it is acctually part of the PS3 setup, not just an option for those who choose...

I kinda hope the controller doesn't sense motion along the X, Y, and Z axis, becuase then you would have to wave the controller around all over the place.

I know this controller is brilliant, and it's different from the Wii, because it is implementing motion into traditional established controller-based gaming, whereas Wii is "New Wave" gaming.

Both companies have good controllers that I am excited about!!!

[QUOTE="ki11b0y"]
nintendo have lead nearly every gaming innovation since the begining. sony have copied every gaming innovation since the psx. it wouldn't bother me so much if they contributed anything but they never do. they just wait for somebody to invent something good, steal it and then try and pass it off as their own idea.

Jamin1317

Yeah, because we all know that the cell processor, blu-ray, and 1080p are not innovative.  And never mind the fact that the PC has had tilt sensor joysticks since the mid 90's this idea is clearly thought up by Nintendo because they are the only innovative ones out there.

Those things are not for the Games market exclusively, and add nothing intrinsically to the games themselves, just clean them up a bit with a little smoother processing, a little clearer picture, and more storage. Don't forget that Sony makes TVs, DVD Players, and many other electronics on a much larger scale than the Playstation. You're probably not old enough to remember Betamax, but Sony tried the same thing then as they are with the Blu-Ray, to catch a stranglehold on the media industry by owning the standard mediums. They just took all these things from their other departments and threw them together for the PS3. The point is, no they have not contributed anything specifically for video games.

On topic, I really liked the Batarang... I've held controllers for PC shaped just like it, and they are much more comfortable than the DualShock. Well, I guess it's just the Dual now...

I think it's quite a brilliant idea.
I can imagine playing an FPS and instead of hold a button down to peak around the corner, I can simply tilt the controller.
Everybody rips each other off these days. It's not that big of a deal.
I mean.....come on now....You wouldn't call Nintendo a rip off because they come up with NES after Atari would you?
Sony has some innovation. I mean sure the Eye-toy came out a while ago, but hey guess what? No one's doing it yet.
Besides, why so much negative energy towards any console at all? It is the game that really counts. Was Ps2 a better system than xbox? nope. But it won the competition because of the games that where on it.
And do you really think the controller is even going to affect the quality of the game? Think it through before making any negative remarks. We where the ones that complained about the weird original ps3 controller and Sony listened to our complains. Now we're going to bash them because they listen to our wants and needs?
relax guys......ps3 will do just fine. And come on now......we all know just how flipping sexy MGS4 looks on ps3 and if you tell me you don't want to play MGS4 because of the controller than........well you got some issues....
tatoomast3r

Im not sure about you but i dont wanna keep waving my friggin arms around to move.  Did you see that guy playing warhawk.  he looked like a ****

Maybe everyone need to see this link -

http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/

It shows that Sony in fact did not copy Nintendo's idea.

Cait_Sith

Yeah, you know what, just check out this link and you'll see that sony didn't copy nintendo because if you check the date, it says that phil harrison was talking about motion sensor in 2003 so it must be nintendo that copied sony

why wont anyone start talking about microsoft. at least sony tried to do something to make their controller more innovative. Microsoft in fact copied sony with their Xbox360 controller when they added two shoulder buttons just like the PS2's R1, and L1. So just stop talking about sony because Microsoft still has a dumb old controller with absolutely nothing special about it. And if you say that its wireless, dont forget that wireless controllers can be bought for the PS2 and original Xbox.Gamester108

[QUOTE="Cait_Sith"]

Maybe everyone need to see this link -

http://sony.gamerfeed.com/gf/news/4815/

It shows that Sony in fact did not copy Nintendo's idea.

Gamester108

Yeah, you know what, just check out this link and you'll see that sony didn't copy nintendo because if you check the date, it says that phil harrison was talking about motion sensor in 2003 so it must be nintendo that copied sony

Eh........HELLO!? Dont make me write my comment about this so called 'proof' AGAIN! It took far too long the first time, just check out page 23 to see that all you guys who think this is 'proof' cannot read very well OR u just cant understand the fact that its refering to the EYETOY (NOT a controller) as being the device that senses motion (and emotion 'apparently' :roll:) In fact technically Sony saw Minority Report and was tryin to steal those ideas. But i repeat, THIS IS NOT PROOF!!!!!! Anyway, Nintendo came up with the idea around 2001! Call me crazy, but isn't that 2 years before this 'proof' materialised!

Please dont make me have to repeat this again! Thank you, you're so kind!

ok boys and or girls heres my thoughts GO OUTSIDE, take a break maybe like hmm i dunno the rest of ur lives, get a job if u dont have one, or stop crying about every little change.

only reason ps3 has the old none dual shock3 is because all u kids whined about it now ur crying that the old controller is back again again.

further more sony did not steal the wii's idea of motion sensory as posted before that thing u know the eye toy that uses motion sensory to play games :o was made before the wii. like what a shock all the nintendo fan boys are mad because now the wii isnt the only thing with a motion sensory controller

lets think what else happend like now xbox is using a camera ooo u dont hear people screaming omg they stole playstations eyetoy omg omg omg.

so all fan boys shut up allready take it to system wars if ur gonna whine,

and no i am not a sony fan boy i do like sony but i do have a cube and like every gameboy known to man(cept ds). and i am planning on getting a 360 one of these days so all u crying nerds who cant accept change and that some idea get borrowed sit down and just think for a second that not everything will go ur way
Crazybirdz

You are so full of crap.

The eyetoy is nothing like the Wii controller because the eyetoy only senses in 2D while the Wii is 3D.

And for your information Sony did copy the Wii controller because sonys controller can only do the things that the Wii's Nunchuck can do and nothing else.

1 Linear up\down

2 Linear forward\back

3 Linear left\right

4 Pitch - up\down Rotation

5 Roll - left\right Rotation (i.e Steering wheel)

6 Yaw - side to side Rotation (i.e Turntable)

Giving you a total of Six Degrees of Movement (Sometimes referred to as Six Degrees of Freedom)

jsymes