Wikileaks 'hacked' before secret documents are due to be revealed

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I'm wondering why our special ops hasn't gone in and destroyed the archives yet.

If these documents are dangerous, like they say, they would be fully justified.

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think wikileaks is in the US? And conducting special ops missions against citizens of foreign nations is kinda bad publicity.

Spec ops missions are generally done against citizens of foreign nations...

Give me your credit card number, other people have the right to know, lol.

Or I can just hack your account, and give it to others. Others have a right to know.

p2250

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="ChowsSN"]I'm surprised the Wikileak's dude didn't mysteriously disappear yet.GazaAli

The mossad doesn't care for that, since the days of their kidnappings in south american and assassinations in europe they haven't cared. They even killed a germany national and bombed a german hotel to get who they wanted. I believe it was called operation Hand of God or wrath of god or something like that.

Give me your credit card number, other people have the right to know, lol.

Or I can just hack your account, and give it to others. Others have a right to know.

Give me your credit card number, other people have the right to know, lol.

Or I can just hack your account, and give it to others. Others have a right to know.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"]

Give me your credit card number, other people have the right to know, lol.

Or I can just hack your account, and give it to others. Others have a right to know.

p2250

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] Obviously there's a difference between stealing money/private information and releasing information that should have been public to begin with (not saying that a democracy requires that absolutely EVERYTHING that goes on behind the scenes should be made public but I think Wikileaks has hit the mark a vast majority of the time, considering how hard it is for governments to point out any events where information released by them actually would have done harm). z4twenny

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

Not surprised. Looks 'good' on USA's part though doesn't it? ?>_>

Give me your credit card number, other people have the right to know, lol.

Or I can just hack your account, and give it to others. Others have a right to know.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] Obviously there's a difference between stealing money/private information and releasing information that should have been public to begin with (not saying that a democracy requires that absolutely EVERYTHING that goes on behind the scenes should be made public but I think Wikileaks has hit the mark a vast majority of the time, considering how hard it is for governments to point out any events where information released by them actually would have done harm). inoperativeRS

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="Verge_6"] He's going to piss off Russia, China, or Mossad at some point, and then we're never going to hear from him again. Assange probably isn't going to live out the next decade.Espada12

The mossad doesn't care for that, since the days of their kidnappings in south american and assassinations in europe they haven't cared. They even killed a germany national and bombed a german hotel to get who they wanted. I believe it was called operation Hand of God or wrath of god or something like that.

There's a lot of patriotic nerds out there, wouldn't be surprised if one of them did it. Also wouldn't be surprised if the government did.F1_2004

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"] The thing is, this information should not have been made public to begin with, that's the point. You nor I have a right to know these types of things.p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] How could we expect the public to make informed decisions during elections if it does not possess all the information it needs to evaluate the different options? Democracy falls apart without informed voters. This thing is, you're not giving me any reasons to even consider your stance.Ravensmash

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] The thing is, this information should not have been made public to begin with, that's the point. You nor I have a right to know these types of things.p2250

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

inoperativeRS

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] The thing is, this information should not have been made public to begin with, that's the point. You nor I have a right to know these types of things.p2250

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

They shouldn't do anything they have to hide then.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

They shouldn't do anything they have to hide then.

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="p2250"] Civilians don't have the right to make national security decisions. If they want that information, they should get a proper education and be employed with the government.p2250

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Dark_Knight6"]

Why not blame the U.S. government for not only doing the things in the documents, but keeping it secret from the people in the country?

The fact that every country does it doesn't make it right. And when these things are leaked, the country should be held accountable, not the person leaking the documents.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="Ravensmash"] Yet it's the civilians who are choosing for these politicians to come into power, and thus make those decisions. If it could affect how a government is viewed by it's population, then they have a right imo to see it.inoperativeRS

I don't think wikileaks is in the US? And conducting special ops missions against citizens of foreign nations is kinda bad publicity.

Pixel-Pirate

Never said Wikileaks was in the US. That's why we need to use Special Forces. They don't get caught.

And since when did anti-American foreigners (i.e. Europeans) have the right to demand accountability from a government that is not theirs?

Give us your classified information if you really believe in freedom of information. Not only that, if I were to give that info to enemies of your country so they could use it against you, don't blame me, blame yourselves.

That's the mentality of a lot of these anti-American wikileaks supporters.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"] That still does not mean civilians have a right to know national security secrets and what happens in discussion behind closed doors regarding national security.p2250

And since when did anti-American foreigners (i.e. Europeans) have the right to demand accountability from a government that is not theirs?

Give us your classified information if you really believe in freedom of information. Not only that, if I were to give that info to enemies of your country so they could use it against you, don't blame me, blame yourselves.

That's the mentality of a lot of these anti-American wikileaks supporters.

p2250

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] As someone who's undergone Peace Keeper training in the Finnish Marines and has friends abroad right now I feel much better knowing that I can hold the people they are supposed to represent accountable than I'd feel if some information that was relevant to their situation was on purpose and publicly denied from the public by the government.inoperativeRS

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] As someone who's undergone Peace Keeper training in the Finnish Marines and has friends abroad right now I feel much better knowing that I can hold the people they are supposed to represent accountable than I'd feel if some information that was relevant to their situation was on purpose and publicly denied from the public by the government.inoperativeRS

Do you think the Taliban release press statements every time they kill innocent civilians? Part of war is not allowing your enemy to use your mistakes to their advantage.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"] Accountable for what?....and how will you hold the government accountable for national security measures?UnknownSniper65

Do you think the Taliban release press statements every time they kill innocent civilians? Part of war is not allowing your enemy to use your mistakes to their advantage.

[QUOTE="p2250"] Don't tell other governments how to protect their country and their people.inoperativeRS

If you enjoy losing wars.....

then sure

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"] Accountable for what?....and how will you hold the government accountable for national security measures?UnknownSniper65

Do you think the Taliban release press statements every time they kill innocent civilians? Part of war is not allowing your enemy to use your mistakes to their advantage.

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="p2250"] Don't tell other governments how to protect their country and their people.UnknownSniper65

If you enjoy losing wars.....

then sure

i havent confirmed this but apparently king abdullah has denied ever asking US to attack iran. seems like US just wants to create tensions between iran and saudi arabia

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] I'm not. I am giving my opinion. As for the nature of war, it's impossible to say if it will change but shouldn't we at least strive to be examples? inoperativeRS

If you enjoy losing wars.....

then sure

are you saying they havent lost those wars? :o

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"][QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

If you enjoy losing wars.....

then sure

Harisemo

are you saying they havent lost those wars? :o

The Saudi King asked the US to attack Iran. Imagine what that says to Iran.

If you think this leak has done the world good, you're very naive. It's seeming more and more clear Wikileaks was never meant to be anti-war, but pro-war.

Serious consequences is just beyond the horizon.

Looks good on Wikileaks. Now people will see them for what they really are.

Ive been looking through some of the documents on wikileaks, does anyone know any interesting ones that are worth reading?

The Saudi King asked the US to attack Iran. Imagine what that says to Iran.

If you think this leak has done the world good, you're very naive. It's seeming more and more clear Wikileaks was never meant to be anti-war, but pro-war.

Serious consequences is just beyond the horizon.

Looks good on Wikileaks. Now people will see them for what they really are.

p2250

Pretty sure its going to do more good long term wise.

[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

[QUOTE="inoperativeRS"] I'm not. I am giving my opinion. As for the nature of war, it's impossible to say if it will change but shouldn't we at least strive to be examples? inoperativeRS

If you enjoy losing wars.....

then sure

I believe the media presence and the insistence on information transparency ultimately made these wars much harder to fight than they had to be.

[QUOTE="p2250"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

firefluff3

They shouldn't do anything they have to hide then.

Fairy tail land mentality, typical of OT.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

I'm wondering why our special ops hasn't gone in and destroyed the archives yet.

If these documents are dangerous, like they say, they would be fully justified.

Espada12

I don't think wikileaks is in the US? And conducting special ops missions against citizens of foreign nations is kinda bad publicity.

Spec ops missions are generally done against citizens of foreign nations...

I'm sure whatever country currently hosting wikileaks won't have any problem with spec ops members illegally entering their country and murdering people who haven't broken any of that countries laws and who arn't terrorists.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

[QUOTE="p2250"] The thing is, this information should not have been made public to begin with, that's the point. You nor I have a right to know these types of things.p2250

you don't think a country has a right to know what its military does?

Yes. I'd like to make this a longer post but all I can say is yes.

They really shouldn't be leaking stuff like that, I mean it's not wikileaks, they are just publishing it, but still.