The One Major Flaw of Christianity

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Alrighty then if he KNOWS what choices we will make, then why would he let a person make the choice to kill somone, therefore going to hell?LJS9502_basic

Because you have free will to make your own choices. Otherwise, there is little point to existence.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Alrighty then if he KNOWS what choices we will make, then why would he let a person make the choice to kill somone, therefore going to hell?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Because you have free will to make your own choices. Otherwise, there is little point to existence.

So? Free will is free will and you still have time to ask for forgiveness.

No.

Phillippians 2:5-11......read itspeedracer15

Do it! ......and yes I quoted myself:|

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]Alrighty then if he KNOWS what choices we will make, then why would he let a person make the choice to kill somone, therefore going to hell?LJS9502_basic

Because you have free will to make your own choices. Otherwise, there is little point to existence.

So? Free will is free will and you still have time to ask for forgiveness.

No.

Hm.
Then what happens to em?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

That would probably depend on the life they led...

Back on the Jesus did not claim to be God thing:

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html

Silver_Dragon17

From your bible:nd Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You see Jesus himself gives the exclusivity of being good to God. None but one. It does not make Jesus "co-equal " with God....

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]
Hm.
Then what happens to em?LJS9502_basic

That would probably depend on the life they led...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]
Hm.
Then what happens to em?BEAN_LARD_MULCH

That would probably depend on the life they led...

Then they'd be rewarded....

[QUOTE="mark4091"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="mark4091"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="mark4091"]

All religions have flaws

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Anamosa41

You and everyone else in here have been either pointing out flaws in religion or defending it for years now.

and then you specifically will make a thread one week talking about how religion is wrong, and then another defending it, it's almost like the simplest article or youtube video can sway you either way, it's time to stop believing everything you read on the internet.

Uhg..... this is why I don't come here as often anymore... it's like a bad sitcom.

No, you would find it funny too if you knew the full posting history.

[QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]I have a question about God then.
If God is all knowing, then he know what you are going to do in your life right...
Therefore wouldn't he purposly make 'bad' people and people who don't beleive in christ and such?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

1. Time is fixed. Of course if this were true, we really don't have free will as everything is predetermined.

2. Time is like a never-ending tree. You start out a the trunk (current time) (the soil is the "past") and each choice you (and everyone else) make will determine which "branch" you go onto. Then that branch will become the new "trunk" and the past is added to the "soil". With this, You would have some degree of free will as you can make choices, changing the outcome of your life and the future of everything else, and it also allow God to be all-knowing as God could know all the possible outcomes that would and could ever happen.

Horrible example I know and I could have explained it better, but I think I got the point across (hopefully).

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Back on the Jesus did not claim to be God thing:

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html

aliend

From your bible:nd Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You see Jesus himself gives the exclusivity of being good to God. None but one. It does not make Jesus "co-equal " with God....

Try reading the rest of the article. . .He was refering to Himself, because Jesus IS God.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]I have a question about God then.
If God is all knowing, then he know what you are going to do in your life right...
Therefore wouldn't he purposly make 'bad' people and people who don't beleive in christ and such?
Ezgam3r

1. Time is fixed. Of course if this were true, we really don't have free will as everything is predetermined.

2. Time is like a never-ending tree. You start out a the trunk (current time) (the soil is the "past") and each choice you (and everyone else) make will determine which "branch" you go onto. Then that branch will become the new "trunk" and the past is added to the "soil". With this, You would have some degree of free will as you can make choices, changing the outcome of your life and the future of everything else, and it also allow God to be all-knowing as God could know all the possible outcomes that would and could ever happen.

Horrible example I know and I could have explained it better, but I think I got the point across (hopefully).

[QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Back on the Jesus did not claim to be God thing:

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/jesusclaimshub.html

Silver_Dragon17

From your bible:nd Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

You see Jesus himself gives the exclusivity of being good to God. None but one. It does not make Jesus "co-equal " with God....

Try reading the rest of the article. . .He was refering to Himself, because Jesus IS God.

Is God so cool that he has to call himself from a third person perspective?

And the quote. Jesus is asking why are you calling me good? Only God is good. If he was God, he would not ask such a question.

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Is God so cool that he has to call himself from a third person perspective?

And the quote. Jesus is asking why are you calling me good? Only God is good. If he was God, he would not ask such a question.

aliend

You can't just stop clinging to that quote, can you?

Who are you to say what God would do or not do?

Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in Jesusmanic626

You didn't really describe any kind of flaw in Christianity, you just gave a reason for why you don't follow the Christian religion. Your disapproval of Christian beliefs doesn't mean that those beliefs are false.

Aliend:

John 1 (verses 1 and 14) says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God....And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."

1 Timothy 3:16 says, "And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

See also Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8, and 1 John 5:20 for other explicit statements that Jesus was God.

Some will claim that Jesus Himself never claimed to be God. Actually, He did so in John 10:30, saying "I and my Father are one."

There are other examples of Jesus stating implicitly that He was God.

For example: When Thomas called Jesus 'my Lord and my God' (John 20:28), Jesus did not correct him.

Jesus said that only God should be worshipped (Matthew 4:10), yet He received worship (Matthew 28:9).

The Bible makes it clear that only God can forgive sins against God (Isaiah 43:25), yet Jesus forgave sins against God (Mark 2:5).

[QUOTE="aliend"]

Is God so cool that he has to call himself from a third person perspective?

And the quote. Jesus is asking why are you calling me good? Only God is good. If he was God, he would not ask such a question.

Silver_Dragon17

You can't just stop clinging to that quote, can you?

Who are you to say what God would do or not do?

Are you gonna answer that or no?

1. Because that quote makes you think about your religion.

2. I am a person with an educated opinion

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]I have a question about God then.
If God is all knowing, then he know what you are going to do in your life right...
Therefore wouldn't he purposly make 'bad' people and people who don't beleive in christ and such?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

1. Time is fixed. Of course if this were true, we really don't have free will as everything is predetermined.

2. Time is like a never-ending tree. You start out a the trunk (current time) (the soil is the "past") and each choice you (and everyone else) make will determine which "branch" you go onto. Then that branch will become the new "trunk" and the past is added to the "soil". With this, You would have some degree of free will as you can make choices, changing the outcome of your life and the future of everything else, and it also allow God to be all-knowing as God could know all the possible outcomes that would and could ever happen.

Horrible example I know and I could have explained it better, but I think I got the point across (hopefully).

Of course this brings up a few questions and concerns like "If what your saying is true, couldn't God still control us by simply "rigging" time by choosing specific branches to get Gods desired outcome?" and such which would have to be addressed.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]
Hm.
Then what happens to em?LJS9502_basic

That would probably depend on the life they led...

Then they'd be rewarded....

So then youre telling me, if ive never heard of chrisianity and I lead a nice life I would go to heaven?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Yep...but you've heard of it.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]I have a question about God then.
If God is all knowing, then he know what you are going to do in your life right...
Therefore wouldn't he purposly make 'bad' people and people who don't beleive in christ and such?
Ezgam3r

1. Time is fixed. Of course if this were true, we really don't have free will as everything is predetermined.

2. Time is like a never-ending tree. You start out a the trunk (current time) (the soil is the "past") and each choice you (and everyone else) make will determine which "branch" you go onto. Then that branch will become the new "trunk" and the past is added to the "soil". With this, You would have some degree of free will as you can make choices, changing the outcome of your life and the future of everything else, and it also allow God to be all-knowing as God could know all the possible outcomes that would and could ever happen.

Horrible example I know and I could have explained it better, but I think I got the point across (hopefully).

Of course this brings up a few questions and concerns like "If what your saying is true, couldn't God still control us by simply "rigging" time by choosing specific branches to get Gods desired outcome?" and such which would have to be addressed.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"]

Is God so cool that he has to call himself from a third person perspective?

And the quote. Jesus is asking why are you calling me good? Only God is good. If he was God, he would not ask such a question.

aliend

You can't just stop clinging to that quote, can you?

Who are you to say what God would do or not do?

Are you gonna answer that or no?

1. Because that quote makes you think about your religion.

2. I am a person with an educated opinion

I HAVE REPEATEDLY ANSWERED IT!

1. I question my religion all the time.

2. You certainly have some kind of opinion. . .

Aliend:

If you want yet another responce, read this: http://kingdavid8.com/FAQs/JesusGood.html

It deals with the specific verse.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]So then youre telling me, if ive never heard of chrisianity and I lead a nice life I would go to heaven?
LJS9502_basic

Yep...but you've heard of it.

Indeed I have, what does that have to do with anything?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]So then youre telling me, if ive never heard of chrisianity and I lead a nice life I would go to heaven?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

Yep...but you've heard of it.

Indeed I have, what does that have to do with anything?

Let me ask you this.....If you believe in a different religion...why would you seek Heaven?

Because you spoke in the first person.:D

Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in Jesusmanic626

You have to be sencre about your forgiveness. That much is obvious. You can't just say "Drat, I'm gonna die. I don't believe in Jesus, but I don't want to go to Hell if it true... better repent just incase..." That doesn't work.

Also, you can get into heaven without believing in Jesus, you are not saved by what you do, but for what Jesus did for you.

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]So then youre telling me, if ive never heard of chrisianity and I lead a nice life I would go to heaven?
slinky6

Yep...but you've heard of it.

Indeed I have, what does that have to do with anything?

Look ....I have not and never will tell someone they are going to hell. Take the attitude elsewhere.

[QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"]

Is God so cool that he has to call himself from a third person perspective?

And the quote. Jesus is asking why are you calling me good? Only God is good. If he was God, he would not ask such a question.

Silver_Dragon17

You can't just stop clinging to that quote, can you?

Who are you to say what God would do or not do?

Are you gonna answer that or no?

1. Because that quote makes you think about your religion.

2. I am a person with an educated opinion

I HAVE REPEATEDLY ANSWERED IT!

1. I question my religion all the time.

2. You certainly have some kind of opinion. . .

Then can you point me where you answered that?.... or is trowing quotes at people all you do?

Do you expect me to write an essay about those quotes you posted? Do you know how much time it would take? You can not concentrate on one piece of evidence, and want me to digest all that you posted?... Atleast take one and let's tackle it...

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]So then youre telling me, if ive never heard of chrisianity and I lead a nice life I would go to heaven?
LJS9502_basic

Yep...but you've heard of it.

Indeed I have, what does that have to do with anything?

Let me ask you this.....If you believe in a different religion...why would you seek Heaven?

Because you spoke in the first person.:D

Then can you point me where you answered that?.... or is trowing quotes at people all you do?

Do you expect me to write an essay about those quotes you posted? Do you know how much time it would take? You can not concentrate on one piece of evidence, and want me to digest all that you posted?... Atleast take one and let's tackle it...

aliend

On this VERY PAGE, I have given a link to a site that addresses the very SAME verse that you gave.

A person who beleives in a different religion would be indeed seeking heaven, or salvation or whatever is the good afterlife for them. You still havent answered my question.

The only reason why i spoke in first person is because I was it as an exampleBEAN_LARD_MULCH

They would only seek what they believed. As for your question....according to the Bible you have to accept God.

And that is why I said that.....

i think the one flaw is that they only follow certain parts of the bible that fit them and take out the ones they dont' like. You can't pick and choose when its the word of God. Its either believe in it all or don't believe in it at all.

crusher2002000

that is exactly what i was trying to tell my mom. she was picking and choosing. She considered me being an atheist disobedient. the bible says to stone disobedient children to death, but she didn't stone me to death. I kept on trying to tell her to (just to prove a point, i'm not suicidal or anything) but she wouldnt do it. she just didnt realize that the bible is (supposedly) god's word, and if god is all-knowing, everything in the bible should be correct. if one thing is incorrect, the entire religion falls apart.

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

i think the one flaw is that they only follow certain parts of the bible that fit them and take out the ones they dont' like. You can't pick and choose when its the word of God. Its either believe in it all or don't believe in it at all.

nexteyenate

that is exactly what i was trying to tell my mom. she was picking and choosing. She considered me being an atheist disobedient. the bible says to stone disobedient children to death, but she didn't stone me to death. I kept on trying to tell her to (just to prove a point, i'm not suicidal or anything) but she wouldnt do it. she just didnt realize that the bible is (supposedly) god's word, and if god is all-knowing, everything in the bible should be correct. if one thing is incorrect, the entire religion falls apart.

No...your talking about custom now. That is entirely different.

[QUOTE="nexteyenate"][QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

i think the one flaw is that they only follow certain parts of the bible that fit them and take out the ones they dont' like. You can't pick and choose when its the word of God. Its either believe in it all or don't believe in it at all.

LJS9502_basic

that is exactly what i was trying to tell my mom. she was picking and choosing. She considered me being an atheist disobedient. the bible says to stone disobedient children to death, but she didn't stone me to death. I kept on trying to tell her to (just to prove a point, i'm not suicidal or anything) but she wouldnt do it. she just didnt realize that the bible is (supposedly) god's word, and if god is all-knowing, everything in the bible should be correct. if one thing is incorrect, the entire religion falls apart.

No...your talking about custom now. That is entirely different.

What reasons do you have to believe that only the New Testament is Christianity, and if the New Testament really is Christianity then why is the Old Testament included at all?

[QUOTE="Ezgam3r"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Ezgam3r"]

[QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"][QUOTE="Anamosa41"][QUOTE="BEAN_LARD_MULCH"]I have a question about God then.
If God is all knowing, then he know what you are going to do in your life right...
Therefore wouldn't he purposly make 'bad' people and people who don't beleive in christ and such?
BEAN_LARD_MULCH

1. Time is fixed. Of course if this were true, we really don't have free will as everything is predetermined.

2. Time is like a never-ending tree. You start out a the trunk (current time) (the soil is the "past") and each choice you (and everyone else) make will determine which "branch" you go onto. Then that branch will become the new "trunk" and the past is added to the "soil". With this, You would have some degree of free will as you can make choices, changing the outcome of your life and the future of everything else, and it also allow God to be all-knowing as God could know all the possible outcomes that would and could ever happen.

Horrible example I know and I could have explained it better, but I think I got the point across (hopefully).

Of course this brings up a few questions and concerns like "If what your saying is true, couldn't God still control us by simply "rigging" time by choosing specific branches to get Gods desired outcome?" and such which would have to be addressed.

Someone could make one decision that could either turn them into a Christian or a anti-religious/theist/spiritual dude. Then lets say that they made the decision not to send their car in for a tuneup and because of it, ended up in an accident, killing them.

God already knows where their going from their previous decisions so God would just deal judgement on them based on Gods' standards and those decisions.

At the end of the day, it would be all of our decision's that would decide where we go.

What reasons do you have to believe that only the New Testament is Christianity, and if the New Testament really is Christianity then why is the Old Testament included at all?

Decessus

The NT is a fulfillment of the OT....God's promise to send a savior. If you have read the two books you can clearly see where customs are different....and changed.

History IS a factor in the Bible.

[QUOTE="Decessus"]

What reasons do you have to believe that only the New Testament is Christianity, and if the New Testament really is Christianity then why is the Old Testament included at all?

LJS9502_basic

The NT is a fulfillment of the OT....God's promise to send a savior. If you have read the two books you can clearly see where customs are different....and changed.

History IS a factor in the Bible.

When is the first mention in the Bible that God will send a savior to mankind?

[QUOTE="aliend"]

Then can you point me where you answered that?.... or is trowing quotes at people all you do?

Do you expect me to write an essay about those quotes you posted? Do you know how much time it would take? You can not concentrate on one piece of evidence, and want me to digest all that you posted?... Atleast take one and let's tackle it...

Silver_Dragon17

On this VERY PAGE, I have given a link to a site that addresses the very SAME verse that you gave.

Yup I got it.

And well... doesn't really make sense to me. Literally no. It is like saying why are you calling me John? That guy's name is John. Would you interpret it the same way?

Plus their explanation is wrong(about that the man doesn't not believe in Jesus) The fact that man is asking Jesus about what he should do, how should he live and behave tells you that he does believe in his ways, otherwise he would not bother.

It is also possibly wrong that the man values his life money more than Jesus: Yes, the man became sad. And then what? You don't know, the story ends. He became sad, but did he oblige?

The biggest flaw is that animals don't go to heaven. I want to know why. :evil:SolidSnake35

All dogs go to heaven. Haven't you seen the movie?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

What reasons do you have to believe that only the New Testament is Christianity, and if the New Testament really is Christianity then why is the Old Testament included at all?

Decessus

The NT is a fulfillment of the OT....God's promise to send a savior. If you have read the two books you can clearly see where customs are different....and changed.

History IS a factor in the Bible.

When is the first mention in the Bible that God will send a savior to mankind?

Various places in the OT...psalms, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Judges, Micah, etc....

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]The biggest flaw is that animals don't go to heaven. I want to know why. :evil:Decessus

All dogs go to heaven. Haven't you seen the movie?

Those movies were weird..

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="aliend"]

Then can you point me where you answered that?.... or is trowing quotes at people all you do?

Do you expect me to write an essay about those quotes you posted? Do you know how much time it would take? You can not concentrate on one piece of evidence, and want me to digest all that you posted?... Atleast take one and let's tackle it...

aliend

On this VERY PAGE, I have given a link to a site that addresses the very SAME verse that you gave.

Yup I got it.

And well... doesn't really make sense to me. Literally no. It is like saying why are you calling me John? That guy's name is John. Would you interpret it the same way?

Plus their explanation is wrong(about that the man doesn't not believe in Jesus) The fact that man is asking Jesus about what he should do, how should he live and behave tells you that he does believe in his ways, otherwise he would not bother.

It is also possibly wrong that the man values his life money more than Jesus: Yes, the man became sad. And then what? You don't know, the story ends. He became sad, but did he oblige?

It makes sense if you think about it.

The man did not want to obey Jesus. He wanted to know, but he didn't want to obey.

No. If he did, he would have had more part in the Bible.

[QUOTE="Decessus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Decessus"]

What reasons do you have to believe that only the New Testament is Christianity, and if the New Testament really is Christianity then why is the Old Testament included at all?

LJS9502_basic

The NT is a fulfillment of the OT....God's promise to send a savior. If you have read the two books you can clearly see where customs are different....and changed.

History IS a factor in the Bible.

When is the first mention in the Bible that God will send a savior to mankind?

Various places in the OT...psalms, Jeremiah, Isaiah, Judges, Micah, etc....

I'm only interested in the first time it's mentioned. I have only read bits and pieces of the Bible, that is why I'm asking you.

The man did not want to obey Jesus. He wanted to know, but he didn't want to obey.

Silver_Dragon17

He was a "good" man since he was a child. Alteast he followed the rules. So you are wrong, he was already obeying.

No. If he did, he would have had more part in the Bible.

Silver_Dragon17

Well if you were one of those people who wrote the bible you might have put more....

You people treat heaven and hell like it's a friggin' sports draft. They don't exist. You will not go to heaven. You won't go to hell. You will just DIE. Accept it. How many years are you WASTING by hoping for a higher "power"? You live your life, then you die. You get one shot, might as well live it for WHAT IT IS, not what it WILL be.Udsen

There goes teh civilized debate. Go inform your self, your anger shows ignorance of what you don't understand.

[QUOTE="Udsen"]You people treat heaven and hell like it's a friggin' sports draft. They don't exist. You will not go to heaven. You won't go to hell. You will just DIE. Accept it. How many years are you WASTING by hoping for a higher "power"? You live your life, then you die. You get one shot, might as well live it for WHAT IT IS, not what it WILL be.Ravirr

There goes teh civilized debate. Go inform your self, your anger shows ignorance of what you don't understand.

Anger? :|

I have no anger.