The One Major Flaw of Christianity

[QUOTE="-Ophiuchus-"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="damariofan"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... damariofan

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

Jewish people certainly killed Jesus, but NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY!!!

What? Its the same race, same belief,and some say they'd do the same again, but if given the chance wouldn't we christians let them?

The Crusifixion turned out to be a good thing in the end didn't it?

Anyway WHAT GIVES US THE PLACE TO JUDGE ANYBODY BUT OURSELVES is my point.

That's where you're a bit off, Oph. Judaism and Christianity arenot the same religion. Likewise, they have different beliefs. In fact, Judaism carries around 600 more lawsthan Christianity, just to point some facts. Eg, while Gospel points out that if you're not a christian, you're going to hell, the Jewish core belief is that everyone goes to heaven-if you are good. (According to Judaism any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile and furthermore only a non-Jew who carefully abides by these laws is assured of a place in the world to come) As cited from here.

Don't get me wrong, I understand that the two are very different.



But One is the fullfillment of the other. I'm speaking of the attitude with which we should approach it.

back to topic. the last flaw is that christians use their religion for political purposes.

ex. support israel because the bible tells you that is where their suppose to live. regardless of the fact that britain gave the land to the jews after ww2 disregarding thousands of people that lived there. and to continue supporting them after bullying palestine over the past 60 years. with this support mainly religious influence it has cause hatred for us and brought nutjobs in power such as the leader of iran

crusher2002000

Wrong. You CAN repent and get into Heaven regardless of prior sins. It's called forgiveness....and Christianity is an advocate of it.

But it's not a flaw...

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

back to topic. the last flaw is that christians use their religion for political purposes.

ex. support israel because the bible tells you that is where their suppose to live. regardless of the fact that britain gave the land to the jews after ww2 disregarding thousands of people that lived there. and to continue supporting them after bullying palestine over the past 60 years. with this support mainly religious influence it has cause hatred for us and brought nutjobs in power such as the leader of iran

guynamedbilly

yes but ppl will stil support it regardless just because of their relgiion and not look at the innocent ppl involved

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Wrong. You CAN repent and get into Heaven regardless of prior sins. It's called forgiveness....and Christianity is an advocate of it.

But it's not a flaw...

quiglythegreat

That is a good point. According to scripture, we are all sinners and must become christians, we don't start out as christians.

As for why God, or Jesus, needs us to worship/love him, I've never heard a good answer for that. Perhaps it's a science to the supernatural and that is just the way that it must take place.

I'd just like to post these:

http://rationalchristianity.net/forced_worship.html Forced worship

http://rationalchristianity.net/perfection.html Good people and Hell

http://rationalchristianity.net/worship.html Worship of God only

http://rationalchristianity.net/love.html as Above; Different article.

Worshipping Jesus is like worshipping an idol, that's against one of the Commandments.

What if the irony is that Christians will go to Hell?

I'm atheist btw religion is funny as is this thread and others.

I'd just like to post these:

http://rationalchristianity.net/forced_worship.html Forced worship

http://rationalchristianity.net/perfection.html Good people and Hell

http://rationalchristianity.net/worship.html Worship of God only

http://rationalchristianity.net/love.html as Above; Different article.

Silver_Dragon17

this the opposite of what I read the other day. i was waiting for the bus and a lady comes up to me and hands me a christian magazine and the front of it was "Why does god cause natural disasters?" i then turned to the first page and it said that God made Hurricane Katrina because people were losing their faith. Isn't that the opposite of what those links say.

the flaw for me is,that once you are born,youve automaticly sinned,just because you were born,you did something wrong.i dont want to believe in a religion that says just because i was born i did something wrong,plus too many bible beaters.and theres other things,like how anyone couldve made up jesus christ,he couldve just been some cool dude back then,or someone just started a rumor or something.guitboxdude25

Not really, and babies don't go to Hell.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

I'd just like to post these:

http://rationalchristianity.net/forced_worship.html Forced worship

http://rationalchristianity.net/perfection.html Good people and Hell

http://rationalchristianity.net/worship.html Worship of God only

http://rationalchristianity.net/love.html as Above; Different article.

crusher2002000

this the opposite of what I read the other day. i was waiting for the bus and a lady comes up to me and hands me a christian magazine and the front of it was "Why does god cause natural disasters?" i then turned to the first page and it said that God made Hurricane Katrina because people were losing their faith. Isn't that the opposite of what those links say.

You need to be careful of what you read. What the woman gave you sounds like BS to me.

Worshipping Jesus is like worshipping an idol, that's against one of the Commandments.

What if the irony is that Christians will go to Hell?

I'm atheist btw religion is funny as is this thread and others.

f0rrest_

No it's not. . .Jesus is God.:|

And I find it funny that this is your very first post. . .

[QUOTE="f0rrest_"]

Worshipping Jesus is like worshipping an idol, that's against one of the Commandments.

What if the irony is that Christians will go to Hell?

I'm atheist btw religion is funny as is this thread and others.

Silver_Dragon17

No it's not. . .Jesus is God.:|

And I find it funny that this is your very first post. . .

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]the flaw for me is,that once you are born,youve automaticly sinned,just because you were born,you did something wrong.i dont want to believe in a religion that says just because i was born i did something wrong,plus too many bible beaters.and theres other things,like how anyone couldve made up jesus christ,he couldve just been some cool dude back then,or someone just started a rumor or something.Silver_Dragon17

Not really, and babies don't go to Hell.

youve still sinned just because you were born tho.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]the flaw for me is,that once you are born,youve automaticly sinned,just because you were born,you did something wrong.i dont want to believe in a religion that says just because i was born i did something wrong,plus too many bible beaters.and theres other things,like how anyone couldve made up jesus christ,he couldve just been some cool dude back then,or someone just started a rumor or something.guitboxdude25

Not really, and babies don't go to Hell.

youve still sinned just because you were born tho.

But you don't get punished until you grow a brain that can reason. Glad that's settled.

Yeah, I agree, a religion where somebody who is a good person can go to hell, but a terrible bad person who had murdered, raped, ect. can get to heaven so long as he/she sheepishly believes in something.yoshi-lnex

ya theres sumthing wrong there.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="f0rrest_"]

Worshipping Jesus is like worshipping an idol, that's against one of the Commandments.

What if the irony is that Christians will go to Hell?

I'm atheist btw religion is funny as is this thread and others.

CptJSparrow

No it's not. . .Jesus is God.:|

And I find it funny that this is your very first post. . .

I swear, I will DEMAND an administrator to IP ban him if that's him again. . .

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"]the flaw for me is,that once you are born,youve automaticly sinned,just because you were born,you did something wrong.i dont want to believe in a religion that says just because i was born i did something wrong,plus too many bible beaters.and theres other things,like how anyone couldve made up jesus christ,he couldve just been some cool dude back then,or someone just started a rumor or something.Silver_Dragon17

Not really, and babies don't go to Hell.

youve still sinned just because you were born tho.

But you don't get punished until you grow a brain that can reason. Glad that's settled.

but punishments not the point,the point is is that youve done something bad just because you were born :?

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

yoshi-lnex

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.(Bible, Mark 12:29)"

If I was God I wouldn't say our lord now would I?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Wrong. You CAN repent and get into Heaven regardless of prior sins. It's called forgiveness....and Christianity is an advocate of it.

But it's not a flaw...

quiglythegreat

To be perfectly honest...it doesn't matter what it sounds like to you. It's called salvation.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

quiglythegreat

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

http://godandscience.org/cults/jesus.html

http://godandscience.org/cults/songod.html

http://rationalchristianity.net/jesus_claim.html

:|

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Wrong. You CAN repent and get into Heaven regardless of prior sins. It's called forgiveness....and Christianity is an advocate of it.

But it's not a flaw...

LJS9502_basic

To be perfectly honest...it doesn't matter what it sounds like to you. It's called salvation.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

yoshi-lnex

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

I already have.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

http://godandscience.org/cults/jesus.html

http://godandscience.org/cults/songod.html

http://rationalchristianity.net/jesus_claim.html

:|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

aliend

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.(Bible, Mark 12:29)"

If I was God I wouldn't say our lord now would I?

Jesus referred to God as His Father AND as God many times. Your point? You're not God.;)

[QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

I already have.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

quiglythegreat

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

http://godandscience.org/cults/jesus.html

http://godandscience.org/cults/songod.html

http://rationalchristianity.net/jesus_claim.html

:|

Uh, read it again. It says that many Christian cults claim the same as you, but they are wrong. Jesus did claim that He was God. And what "vague" interpretations?:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

aliend

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.(Bible, Mark 12:29)"

If I was God I wouldn't say our lord now would I?

I would say "your" god.

Your point? You're not God.;)

Silver_Dragon17

Such as?yoshi-lnex

I gave three links.|

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Your point? You're not God.;)

quiglythegreat

He said that IF HE WAS GOD. . . .

Seriously, do you read anymore?

I just read this entire topic.... What the hell is wrong with me?!Chavyneebslod

I don't know but I reckon you should take some time to re-cooperate from the insanity.

That's what they're offering, yeah. You say it's salvation, as do they; I say it's a ploy.
quiglythegreat

A ploy on what? That makes no sense.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

quiglythegreat

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

http://godandscience.org/cults/jesus.html

http://godandscience.org/cults/songod.html

http://rationalchristianity.net/jesus_claim.html

:|

isn't the bible just a interpretation. sinceno one was there how do we know what happened. according to my religions teacher whomajored in religion in university the bible waschanged throughout history to favor the positions of that time

[QUOTE="manic626"]Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in JesusSilver_Dragon17

This is absolutely false.

To be a Christian, you must believe in Christ. This much is true. But a serial killer, rapist, etc. can not get into heaven. People who only "believe" in Jesus for afterlife insurance will not enter Heaven.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Your point? You're not God.;)

Silver_Dragon17

He said that IF HE WAS GOD. . . .

Seriously, do you read anymore?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

quiglythegreat

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

TheCouncilofNiceaonlyconfirmedChristianwritingsintheNiceanCreed.Ittookideasthatwerealreadywidespreadin Christianity and put them into a unifying document. It was NOT as Dan Brown Claims, the First time Christ was called God.

ManyearlysaintsheldtothebeliefofChristasDevinelongbeforethat.ThemostcomprehensivearethetestimoniesofIgnatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr and Irenaeus.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That's what they're offering, yeah. You say it's salvation, as do they; I say it's a ploy.
LJS9502_basic

A ploy on what? That makes no sense.

isn't the bible just a interpretation. sinceno one was there how do we know what happened. according to my religions teacher whomajored in religion in university the bible waschanged throughout history to favor the positions of that time

crusher2002000

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That's what they're offering, yeah. You say it's salvation, as do they; I say it's a ploy.
quiglythegreat

A ploy on what? That makes no sense.

More followers? Yes...and? For what purpose other than to follow?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Your point? You're not God.;)

quiglythegreat

He said that IF HE WAS GOD. . . .

Seriously, do you read anymore?

[QUOTE="aliend"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="yoshi-lnex"]

Something kind of funny.....Jesus was not originally worshiped as a god, he was just a prophet of god, but eventually his followers voted (I mean this literally) that he was a god, and not just a prophet.

This has happened with many religions over the centuries in which somebody who was originally a prophet becomes worshiped as a god. That is why Islam forbids drawings of Muhammad, he knew it could happen with his religion if he religions was commonly plastered with his image....

An interesting fact, but most Christians don't know their church history well enough to know things like this.....

Silver_Dragon17

What are you talking about? Jesus clearly claimed that He was God, and nothing was voted into His deity. Back up your claims, huh?

"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.(Bible, Mark 12:29)"

If I was God I wouldn't say our lord now would I?

Jesus referred to God as His Father AND as God many times. Your point? You're not God.;)

That's my point.... He is referring to another being. Sooooo Jesus is not God.

[QUOTE="mark4091"]

All religions have flaws

/thread

mig_killer2

You and everyone else in here have been either pointing out flaws in religion or defending it for years now.

and then you specifically will make a thread one week talking about how religion is wrong, and then another defending it, it's almost like the simplest article or youtube video can sway you either way, it's time to stop believing everything you read on the internet.