The One Major Flaw of Christianity

[QUOTE="luke1889"]The major flaw with Christianity is that the requirements to get into Heaven amount to one epic case of duress.LJS9502_basic

What?

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only way

st3wi3

That's not the teaching in the NT however.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="manic626"]Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in JesusLJS9502_basic

This is absolutely false.

To be a Christian, you must believe in Christ. This much is true. But a serial killer, rapist, etc. can not get into heaven. People who only "believe" in Jesus for afterlife insurance will not enter Heaven.

Wrong. You CAN repent and get into Heaven regardless of prior sins. It's called forgiveness....and Christianity is an advocate of it.

But it's not a flaw...

hey guys pretty much what the above poster said yes you can repent in the last minute and get into heaven. And if thats called forgivness and all, why dont i go out murdering people right now becuase according to you "ill be forgiven" see thats the problem, in my christian beliefs and values teacher said what the TC said, rather in the muslim religion, it says that you have to have good morals and whatnot to get into heaven or what not.

But heres another question for you guys, ever wondered what defines good, something that helps people you might say, well how do you define something that helps people becuase not everything helps someone, society just defines good based upon how they think and its been like that for sometime

We should be willing to answer for our own actions! The Bible is essentially a history that we hold in high regard, so why exactly should we only take from history nice comfortable stories about how God helped people in the past and how Christians were proudly martyred for their beliefs?

History is the story of Christ and part of that is taking the bad with the good. Christianity may be true but its followers have not always done right. Besides, God tells Israel in Exodus 20:5 that he punishes the children for the sins of the fathers. Therefore History is integral for Christianity.

And didn't Jesus live like what, TWO THOUSAND Years ago? So his actions are annuled because it was so long ago?

The issues may not be our direct fault, but it is something we should step up, make a positive example and take responsibility for.

-Ophiuchus-

It is not MY actions that I'm answering for! Unless reincarnation is true, which means Christianity is not, I was NOT there at the Crusades, and I didn't do horrible things in the name of Christianity, so who's actions am I answering for?

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

[QUOTE="-Ophiuchus-"]We should be VERY aware of our place in history and the sins we have done in the past. Again, it was OUR predecessors who are now keeping these people from God.

Our past dealings with First Nations is in my mind, should be among our biggest issues but instead it is brushed off like First Nations issues are by Non-Christians.

Regardless of your views these people NEED Christ andwe kept them from Him by our past actions.
mig_killer2

Do you believe in reincarnation or something? Because I know I wasn't alive during the 1400s.

You could apply this philosophy to our responsibility to Jesus' teachings.

Jesus told his disciples what to do, so since we weren't around then we don't have to do a thing.

Weallenjoythelegacyofhistory,whyshouldweignorethewrongswedidtogetthere?

One major flaw? Lol.Darth_Tyrev

Well, you certainlycontributed a great deal of intelligence to the topic.:roll:

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="luke1889"]The major flaw with Christianity is that the requirements to get into Heaven amount to one epic case of duress.mig_killer2

What?

I'm using "duress" in a slightly abstract context there, but if I am to elaborate, I mean that the basic gist of the whole belief in God is "believe in Him or you'll go to Hell."

To me, this seems to be little more than a scare tactic in order to force people to have faith, and it's certainly used as a tactic by many on young children.

hey guys pretty much what the above poster said yes you can repent in the last minute and get into heaven. And if thats called forgivness and all, why dont i go out murdering people right now becuase according to you "ill be forgiven" see thats the problem, in my christian beliefs and values teacher said what the TC said, rather in the muslim religion, it says that you have to have good morals and whatnot to get into heaven or what not.

But heres another question for you guys, ever wondered what defines good, something that helps people you might say, well how do you define something that helps people becuase not everything helps someone, society just defines good based upon how they think and its been like that for sometime

tarunramesh

No...again you can't assume that you can live you life anyway you want and at the end ask for forgiveness. That attitude in and of itself would be your downfall.

In regard to defining good in the context of religion.....every religion has a guide. Society is not the guide.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="luke1889"]The major flaw with Christianity is that the requirements to get into Heaven amount to one epic case of duress.luke1889

What?

I'm using "duress" in a slightly abstract context there, but if I am to elaborate, I mean that the basic gist of the whole belief in God is "believe in Him or you'll go to Hell."

To me, this seems to be little more than a scare tactic in order to force people to have faith, and it's certainly used as a tactic by many on young children.

People say that you will burn in hell forever, but I dont buy that. Im pretty sure it says its so painful because it is describing what its like to be seperated from God for all eternity. the thought of eternal seperation from God scares me more than a little bit of fire

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... Silver_Dragon17

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

I'm using "duress" in a slightly abstract context there, but if I am to elaborate, I mean that the basic gist of the whole belief in God is "believe in Him or you'll go to Hell."

To me, this seems to be little more than a scare tactic in order to force people to have faith, and it's certainly used as a tactic by many on young children.

luke1889

Children don't really have a concept....and I was not taught that way. Second....if you want in any group you have dues to pay. You don't get a free ride anywhere. You have to work for what you want.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="crusher2002000"]

these ppl claim these r the actual teachings. who's right u? them? nobody knows because its been translated thousands of times over centauries with ppl taking stuff out and putting stuff in.

crusher2002000

*cough*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-canonical_books_referenced_in_the_Bible

And the point is. . .?

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

damariofan

No one blames the Jewish people. :|

No...again you can't assume that you can live you life anyway you want and at the end ask for forgiveness. That attitude in and of itself would be your downfall.

In regard to defining good in the context of religion.....every religion has a guide. Society is not the guide.

true i understand what you are saying by guide, but how will that attitude be of thinking be our downfall because if jesus does exist and what they say is true as our sins will be frogiven, we might as well enjoy life by doing what we want and then be forgive, why will that be our downfall,

oh and btw im a athiest :)

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... damariofan

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

Jewish people certainly killed Jesus, but NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY!!!

[QUOTE="st3wi3"]

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only way

LJS9502_basic

That's not the teaching in the NT however.

according to your believe. but his may be different. again i say which interpretion is right i don't know. i cannot believe in sumthing that nobody knows which is right. in order to believe in sumthing like this u need some evidence. yes there is a bible, yes there was a person named jesus. But u have to think back then as well. Ppl couldn't explain certain things. so they thought about what made the most sense. god was a answer they came up with. its like the evolution theory today is another way of trying to explain the unknown. in the end it could be right but nobody knows thats alive today. i hope there is a god though because it would suck if nothing happened after this.

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionLJS9502_basic

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

[QUOTE="luke1889"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="luke1889"]The major flaw with Christianity is that the requirements to get into Heaven amount to one epic case of duress.mig_killer2

What?

I'm using "duress" in a slightly abstract context there, but if I am to elaborate, I mean that the basic gist of the whole belief in God is "believe in Him or you'll go to Hell."

To me, this seems to be little more than a scare tactic in order to force people to have faith, and it's certainly used as a tactic by many on young children.

People say that you will burn in hell forever, but I dont buy that. Im pretty sure it says its so painful because it is describing what its like to be seperated from God for all eternity. the thought of eternal seperation from God scares me more than a little bit of fire

Technically it's not a scare tactic; I can appreciate that. However, it is often presented as one. I know for a fact that I, as well as countless others no doubt, was taught that you should have belief in God lest you go to Hell. And sure enough, Hell is depicted in as vile and evil manner as possible. I've been through all that.

true i understand what you are saying by guide, but how will that attitude be of thinking be our downfall because if jesus does exist and what they say is true as our sins will be frogiven, we might as well enjoy life by doing what we want and then be forgive, why will that be our downfall,

oh and btw im a athiest :)

tarunramesh

The attitude that you can do what you want and then ask for forgiveness. It doesn't work that way...you have to truly be sorry...and with that attitude that wouldn't be the case. You'd definitely have had to have a change of heart along the way.....which means you can't think like you state.

[QUOTE="manic626"]Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in Jesusst3wi3

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only way

I always love reading about people using a boating story as a reason for their existence.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... damariofan

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionslinky6

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

LJ isn't making baseless claims on something he knows nothing about.;)

[QUOTE="damariofan"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... Silver_Dragon17

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

Jewish people certainly killed Jesus, but NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY!!!

What? Its the same race, same belief,and some say they'd do the same again, but if given the chance wouldn't we christians let them?

The Crusifixion turned out to be a good thing in the end didn't it?

Anyway WHAT GIVES US THE PLACE TO JUDGE ANYBODY BUT OURSELVES is my point.

[QUOTE="damariofan"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... CptJSparrow

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

[QUOTE="tarunramesh"]

hey guys pretty much what the above poster said yes you can repent in the last minute and get into heaven. And if thats called forgivness and all, why dont i go out murdering people right now becuase according to you "ill be forgiven" see thats the problem, in my christian beliefs and values teacher said what the TC said, rather in the muslim religion, it says that you have to have good morals and whatnot to get into heaven or what not.

But heres another question for you guys, ever wondered what defines good, something that helps people you might say, well how do you define something that helps people becuase not everything helps someone, society just defines good based upon how they think and its been like that for sometime

LJS9502_basic

No...again you can't assume that you can live you life anyway you want and at the end ask for forgiveness. That attitude in and of itself would be your downfall.

In regard to defining good in the context of religion.....every religion has a guide. Society is not the guide.

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What?Itsthesamerace,samebelief,andsomesaythey'ddothesameagain,butifgiventhechancewouldn'twechristiansletthem?

TheCrusifixionturned out to be a good thing in the end didn't it?

AnywayWHATGIVESUSTHEPLACETOJUDGEANYBODYBUTOURSELVESismypoint.

-Ophiuchus-

S P A C E B A R .

These aren't the same people. Now, you're the one making rather racist claims.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionslinky6

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

Example of what? I give examples if I make a statement. :|

[QUOTE="-Ophiuchus-"][

What?Itsthesamerace,samebelief,andsomesaythey'ddothesameagain,butifgiventhechancewouldn'twechristiansletthem?

TheCrusifixionturned out to be a good thing in the end didn't it?

AnywayWHATGIVESUSTHEPLACETOJUDGEANYBODYBUTOURSELVESismypoint.

Silver_Dragon17

S P A C E B A R .

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only wayst3wi3

This is what I am talking about. Thats why I can't become a Christian. I've always believed that if you live your life morally and believe in god the your not going to hell. Why would you deserve that kind of fate?

However with Christians, you MUST believe in thier version of god. There is no other way.

[QUOTE="st3wi3"]

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only waymanic626

This is what I am talking about. Thats why I can't become a Christian. I've always believed that if you live your life morally and believe in god the your not going to hell. Why would you deserve that kind of fate?

However with Christians, you MUST believe in thier version of god. There is no other way.

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionLJS9502_basic

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

Example of what? I give examples if I make a statement. :|

[QUOTE="st3wi3"]

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only waymanic626

This is what I am talking about. Thats why I can't become a Christian. I've always believed that if you live your life morally and believe in god the your not going to hell. Why would you deserve that kind of fate?

However with Christians, you MUST believe in thier version of god. There is no other way.

Dude....it's their God's Heaven. If you want to believe in something else....feel free to do so. Just don't expect to be accepted by a God you deny.

Do you have examples of you making a statement?:DCptJSparrow

Funny.....:lol:

[QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionLJS9502_basic

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

Example of what? I give examples if I make a statement. :|

The one topic where I asked "If the bad things people do are not because of religion, but rather human nature, aren't all the supposed benefits of religion also based purely on human nature?" You replied "No" and that was it. No example in a place where an example was sorely needed.
slinky6

Actually you said answer the question...so I did. And I explained it in another post. Feel free to look it up. Though to be honest....that's an opinion question.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="slinky6"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="crusher2002000"]i got another flaw. nobody knows what the interpretion is. one church may say one thing another says another. How can one follow this if the churches havent figured out the interpretionslinky6

If you want to make statements....back them up with some examples. Otherwise, your statement is meaningless.

Example of what? I give examples if I make a statement. :|

Well, one of the supposed benefits of most religions is interaction with a spiritual being.

That is common knowledge and needs no proof and since that is one of religion's supposed benefits, all of religion's benefits aren't based purely on human nature.

[QUOTE="slinky6"] The one topic where I asked "If the bad things people do are not because of religion, but rather human nature, aren't all the supposed benefits of religion also based purely on human nature?" You replied "No" and that was it. No example in a place where an example was sorely needed.
LJS9502_basic

Actually you said answer the question...so I did. And I explained it in another post. Feel free to look it up. Though to be honest....that's an opinion question.

Before I begin, I am not an Athiest. I do believe in a higher power or "god" of the universe(s). However I cannot accept the Christian version of god. I have tried but there is one nagging fact the keeps me from becoming a Christian.

That is believing in Jesus, gods only son, IS THE ONLY WAY INTO HEAVEN. NO MATTER WHAT VALUES YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY. I'll explain.
A serial killer, rapist, career criminal can live his life anyway he wants to. But as long as he sincerely believes in Jesus Christ or accepts him at the last minute. He has bought his way into heaven.
However, someone who lives a just and moral life and does things to help out in society will still end up in hell if he does not believe in Jesus Christ. Believing in a higher power is simply not enough.
I'm sorry but I simply cannot accept this. That would mean the only reason to life, or to live is for Jesus. Which would mean anything else you do in life is meaningless if it wasn't for him. You could simply do whatever you wanted in life and copout at the last moment by sincerly accepting him.

Sorry for the rant but I've always heard Christians say something along this line. And I read a story about someone's near death experience. He was being judged and he found out that he wasn't even close to getting into heaven despite all the good things he's done in his life. When he came back, he said no matter what you do, the only way into heaven is believing in Jesusmanic626

So I'm leaving the issue to rest, This conversation is not the place and I am part Jewish by the way. I'm saying we should forgive the people for what they did, not hold it against THEM. EVER. But we SHOULD hold OURSELVES accountable for what WE as Christians did in the past.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="slinky6"] The one topic where I asked "If the bad things people do are not because of religion, but rather human nature, aren't all the supposed benefits of religion also based purely on human nature?" You replied "No" and that was it. No example in a place where an example was sorely needed.
slinky6

Actually you said answer the question...so I did. And I explained it in another post. Feel free to look it up. Though to be honest....that's an opinion question.

Again....no. This is obviously why you didn't see the answer. You don't read the post. Read the above over.

[QUOTE="manic626"]

[QUOTE="st3wi3"]

dood uz got it all wrong, If your a christain you believe in Jesus, but i was talking to my priest and i was asking him about other faiths and he said that as long as you are a good person and adhere to universal goods that you will go to heaven. He told me this little story to kind of explain it. He said imagine theres all these different boats setting out for a new island. Along the journey overseas some boats will get lost, maybe sink, some will take longer and some will get you to the new island quicker. Christianity is just one of those boats that can get you into Heaven, it is not the only wayLJS9502_basic

This is what I am talking about. Thats why I can't become a Christian. I've always believed that if you live your life morally and believe in god the your not going to hell. Why would you deserve that kind of fate?

However with Christians, you MUST believe in thier version of god. There is no other way.

Dude....it's their God's Heaven. If you want to believe in something else....feel free to do so. Just don't expect to be accepted by a God you deny.

Yeah, but I don't wanna burn in hell because I don't believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to god. Buddist believe in reincarnation. What if that's true? What if god or the workings of the universe need your soul or energy to be placed in another being, whether on this earth or elsewhere?

I read a writing by a Christian bashing the Buddists. He said Reincarnation is an excuse for the Buddists to delay judgement by god and escape the torments of hell.

back to topic. the last flaw is that christians use their religion for political purposes.

ex. support israel because the bible tells you that is where their suppose to live. regardless of the fact that britain gave the land to the jews after ww2 disregarding thousands of people that lived there. and to continue supporting them after bullying palestine over the past 60 years. with this support mainly religious influence it has cause hatred for us and brought nutjobs in power such as the leader of iran

So I'm leaving the issue to rest, This conversation is not the place and I am part Jewish by the way. I'm saying we should forgive the people for what they did, not hold it against THEM. EVER. But we SHOULD hold OURSELVES accountable for what WE as Christians did in the past.

-Ophiuchus-

WE didn't do anything in the past.

all of religion's benefits aren't based purely on human nature.

guynamedbilly

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

all of religion's benefits aren't based purely on human nature.

slinky6

And my argument stands. Humans take what they want and do with it what they want. You can't blame a religion that states clearly to turn the other cheek when attacked and blame the message for mankind killing and terrorizing others. That is the HUMAN element at work.:roll:

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="damariofan"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="TallicaFan2005"] Well there are like 50,000,000 flaws with christianity, but I'd say the major one is that people believe in it..... -Ophiuchus-

That is not what happened. . .also, so what? You're blaming us for what some idiots did hundreds of years ago?:roll:

You blame the Jews for killing Jesus 2000 years ago, don't you?I'm not trying to flame, just pointing out a little flaw in your defense.

Jewish people certainly killed Jesus, but NOT THE JEWISH PEOPLE ALIVE TODAY!!!

What? Its the same race, same belief,and some say they'd do the same again, but if given the chance wouldn't we christians let them?

The Crusifixion turned out to be a good thing in the end didn't it?

Anyway WHAT GIVES US THE PLACE TO JUDGE ANYBODY BUT OURSELVES is my point.

That's where you're a bit off, Oph. Judaism and Christianity arenot the same religion. Likewise, they have different beliefs. In fact, Judaism carries around 600 more lawsthan Christianity, just to point some facts. Eg, while Gospel points out that if you're not a christian, you're going to hell, the Jewish core belief is that everyone goes to heaven-if you are good. (According to Judaism any non-Jew who lives according to these laws is regarded as a Righteous Gentile and furthermore only a non-Jew who carefully abides by these laws is assured of a place in the world to come) As cited from here.